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== Problem with the news about taiwan == |
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In the news, it says |
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Tsai Ing-wen (pictured) is elected the first female President of Taiwan |
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However, |
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Tsai Ing-wen (pictured) is elected the first female President of Republic of China. |
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Taiwan is name of its administration area, however, the name of the position is President of Republic of China. This is just like we should not call the leader of ISIS as the leader of North Syria. Even though its administration power is only in North Syria. |
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Raintwoto 20:25, 17 January 2016 (UTC) |
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See also in the Chinese Wikipedia |
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Raintwoto 20:29, 17 January 2016 (UTC) |
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:ISIS is not the common name for North Syria. This is no different than reporting about the [[President of France]] rather than the [[President of the French Republic]]. And what the Chinese Wikipedia does is of no relevance to what the English Wikipedia does. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 20:40, 17 January 2016 (UTC) |
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::How do you define common name? The name in the front page is President of Taiwan, but inside the page, the name is redirected to [[President of the Republic of China]], this is wrong. We should not call something based on the so called common name. The common name for United States is America. When Obama is elected, why he is called the President of United States, not the President of America? https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:In_the_news&oldid=250200007 I think there is a double standard here. Raintwoto 23:04, 18 January 2016 (UTC) |
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:::"The name in the front page is President of Taiwan, but inside the page, the name is redirected to [[President of the Republic of China]], this is wrong." Or maybe the page is improperly named? |
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:::"We should not call something based on the so called common name." Then you have a problem with one of the standard policies of the English Wikipedia. |
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:::"The common name for United States is America." When used in comparisons to other countries, the common name is United States. As opposed to the formal name of "United States of America". |
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:::"When Obama is elected, why he is called the President of United States, not the President of America?" Except the parallel form to "President of the Republic of China" is "President of the United States of America". --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 01:05, 19 January 2016 (UTC) |
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::::Perhaps a better comparison would be that we say [[President of South Korea]] rather than the official title [[President of the Republic of Korea]] - even though "South Korea" is technically just a geographic designator like "Taiwan" - because it's not fair to expect readers to know immediately that the Republic is the South, and most neutral media calls it "South Korea". The situation is even more confusing in this case, because the Republic of China doesn't control any of [[Mainland China]]. Most English-language sources call the country Taiwan (except when it's [[Chinese Taipei]]) and we follow suit - see [[WP:COMMONNAME]]. [[User:Smurrayinchester|Smurrayinchester]] 10:09, 19 January 2016 (UTC) |
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Why not use "President of the Republic of China (Taiwan)"? This makes it clear, but also uses the correct term of address. Using "Taiwan" on the news page, but redirecting to the properly titled article [[President of the Republic of China]], could be interpreted as a political statement by Wikipedia or its editors. [[User:LadyIslay|LadyIslay]] ([[User talk:LadyIslay|talk]]) 22:39, 20 January 2016 (UTC) |
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:Tsai is well-known for saying, "Taiwan is the Republic of China, the Republic of China is Taiwan.”[http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/editorials/archives/2014/01/26/2003582152] Outside Taiwan itself and Wikipedia, it's not at all common to use the phrase "Republic of China" this way. Why confuse readers? [[User:H. Humbert|H. Humbert]] ([[User talk:H. Humbert|talk]]) 00:31, 21 January 2016 (UTC) |
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::Indeed, and this might also go against [[WP:NPOV]], and though "Taiwan" may be the [[WP:COMMONNAME]] of the [[Republic of China]], there seems to be an enourmous double standard in this case where [[Taiwan]] is about the political entity but if you type in [[Ireland]] you're brought to the geographic area as opposed to the political [[Republic of Ireland]] (which would also fall under [[WP:COMMONNAME]]), just because there ''is'' a One-China policy doesn't mean that we, editors of Wikipedia should follow it, it's like there being a "One-Korea policy" where 1st world countries would call North Korea "Choson", and 2nd world countries would call South Korea "Hangook", the neutral point of view for the political areas would still be their political names, not the geographic name, why does Wikipedia know this for Ireland but not for Taiwan? |
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::Most English-language sources also refer to the [[Republic of Ireland]] as simply "[[Ireland]]". --[[Special:Contributions/42.114.35.42|42.114.35.42]] ([[User talk:42.114.35.42|talk]]) 13:10, 21 January 2016 (UTC) |
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:::But the relevant point is that most English language usage of Ireland is for the island. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 14:25, 21 January 2016 (UTC) |
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::::I'm pretty sure the most common usage is the country. We all secretly hope the north will get it together and just merge back completing the country.[[User:Correctron|Correctron]] ([[User talk:Correctron|talk]]) 03:18, 22 January 2016 (UTC) |
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==Edit request== |
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"#" redirects here. For the number sign, see [[number sign]]. [[User:Philmonte101|Philmonte101 😊😄😞]] ([[User talk:Philmonte101|talk]]) 21:59, 17 January 2016 (UTC) |
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:See [[Talk:Main Page/Archive 184#For technical reasons, "#" redirects here.|past discussion]]. This comes up occasionally, but doesn't lead to anything. <span style="font-family: sylfaen">[[User:Eman235|<font color="green">E'''man'''</font><font color="#6643d1">2'''35'''</font>]]/[[User talk:Eman235|<font color="brown">''talk''</font>]]</span> 22:08, 17 January 2016 (UTC) |
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:: What if we just put that up there ''without'' using the template? [[User:Philmonte101|Philmonte101 😊😄😞]] ([[User talk:Philmonte101|talk]]) 22:26, 17 January 2016 (UTC) |
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::: That would fix the cascading protection problem, but in the linked discussion, {{U|331dot}} said that it will be {{tq|seen by millions who likely aren't searching for "#".}} It's just not that common of a search term. (Though -- does anyone have statistics for that?) <span style="font-family: sylfaen">[[User:Eman235|<font color="green">E'''man'''</font><font color="#6643d1">2'''35'''</font>]]/[[User talk:Eman235|<font color="brown">''talk''</font>]]</span> 23:57, 17 January 2016 (UTC) |
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:::: As stated, I still don't feel such a notice is warranted(though I wouldn't mind seeing stats on that either); for what reason are you requesting it? [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 02:50, 18 January 2016 (UTC) |
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::::: What if we put it at, say, the ''bottom'' of the page somewhere instead of the very top? I suggest doing a different method than Template:technicalrestrictions would use, but to disambiguate at the bottom of the page. Like maybe: "By coming to the Main Page, did you mean to?: *list here of things to disambiguate to*" This way, millions of readers will not be confused who know nothing about Wikipedia's technical restrictions or disambiguation policies. [[User:Philmonte101|Philmonte101 😊😄😞]] ([[User talk:Philmonte101|talk]]) 16:00, 18 January 2016 (UTC) |
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:::::: What about instead of posting it on the Main Page, posting a notice on this page instead? Then, the few people who might search for '#' would hopefully see it when they come here to post a question as to why they ended up here. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 16:32, 18 January 2016 (UTC) |
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:I would like to see evidence that this is an actual problem e.g. significant numbers of readers searching for #, before instituting any attempt at a solution.. [[WP:ABDF]] applies. [[User:Modest Genius|<font face="Times New Roman" color="maroon"><b>Modest Genius</b></font>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 16:40, 18 January 2016 (UTC) |
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::I would as well, though I was suggesting an alternative to the original proposal in the event there is such evidence. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 16:43, 18 January 2016 (UTC) |
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::: What if there are other things that may accidentally redirect someone to the main page, even besides technical issues? If we listed all those here, don't all those ''added up'' count as a considerable amount of people? [[User:Philmonte101|Philmonte101 😊😄😞]] ([[User talk:Philmonte101|talk]]) 17:24, 18 January 2016 (UTC) |
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:::: # may also be confused with the [[sharp sign]] (♯) in written music. [[User:Mjroots|Mjroots]] ([[User talk:Mjroots|talk]]) 20:55, 20 January 2016 (UTC) |
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== WP:Ja == |
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The japanese version of Wikipedia has now more than 1,000,000 artciles. Congratulations --[[User:Thomas Wozniak|Thomas Wozniak]] ([[User talk:Thomas Wozniak|talk]]) 21:27, 19 January 2016 (UTC) |
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:I suggest you inform [[Template talk:Wikipedialang]] which handles the languages section of the Main Page, as noted at the top of this page. [[User:Modest Genius|<font face="Times New Roman" color="maroon"><b>Modest Genius</b></font>]] [[User_talk:Modest Genius|<sup>talk</sup>]] 14:59, 21 January 2016 (UTC) |
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== Mohéli == |
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Moved to [[Wikipedia:Reference desk/Humanities#Mohéli]]. [[User:Smurrayinchester|Smurrayinchester]] 14:57, 21 January 2016 (UTC) |
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