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Nominator(s): Lemonade51 (talk) 02:40, 18 June 2016 (UTC)

Another football nom. The Emirates Cup is a pre-season tournament, hosted by Arsenal which tends to run every summer with few possible exceptions. Just like the competition itself, this list is largely modelled by the Amsterdam Tournament which was promoted years ago. I've polished the history bit, added some pictures and think it's now worth a shot here. As ever would welcome any sort of feedback, mercy buckets....Lemonade51 (talk) 02:40, 18 June 2016 (UTC)

Comments from Mymis

Some minor suggestions/comments:

• "It has been held every summer since except 2012" -> not sure if "since" is needed
• "pitch renovation" -> maybe link "pitch"?
• "if teams were tied on points" -> "if teams are tied on points"
• some captions of photos end with a period, some don't

• Made changes according to WP:CAPFRAG

• "March 2007; managing director" -> I'd suggest starting a new sentence after "2007"
• "the Intertoto Cup however meant they" -> "however" sounds out of place in the sentence, maybe not needed at all
• "with over 110,000 filling the stadium" -> "with over 110,000 people filling the stadium"

Mymis (talk) 22:12, 10 July 2016 (UTC)

@Mymis:, thanks for your comments, have made changes. Lemonade51 (talk) 22:54, 10 July 2016 (UTC)

Some further suggestions:

• "were formally announced weeks later" -> i think the exact date when the cup was officially announced is important

• Done

• "earnt" -> "earned"

• Going by British English spelling, it's perfectly fine to use 'earnt'. I've changed this however.

• Not sure whether commas are really needed in short sentences throughout the article, including: (I may be wrong tho, my English is not perfect)
  • "Arsenal won the inaugural Emirates Cup, held in 2007."
  • "Emirates Cup in 2010, but failed to top the table in the next"
  • "A wide shot of the Emirates Stadium, where Arsenal faced Real Madrid"

• Only changed the first sentence, the last two I think need commas because one is an independent clause, the other for semantics and structure. Lemonade51 (talk) 12:48, 11 July 2016 (UTC)

Mymis (talk) 11:24, 11 July 2016 (UTC)

Never seen it spelled as "earnt" and Oxford English Dictionary interestingly does not even include such word. And about commas, sounds fair.
You have my support; great job. Good luck! Mymis (talk) 13:51, 11 July 2016 (UTC)

Support – Read through the list and didn't spot any flaws worth pointing out. I must admit that the most interesting part for me was recalling that the Red Bulls actually won a tournament once. :-) Giants2008 (Talk) 22:36, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

Addressed comments from - Yellow Dingo (talk) 05:31, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

Comments from Yellow Dingo

• In the infobox do you really need to link Arsenal twice directly next to each other?

• Removed second link

• "this was scrapped in 2011" You should try to avoid linking to just a year maybe "the 2011 competition"

"*return from the 2013 edition" Link should be 2013 edition

• "From 2009, total sh.." Again shouldn't link to just a year. This won is bit harder but maybe 2009 tournament
• "Four Italian clubs" link Italian to either Italy or Italians
• "Italian champions Inter Milan, French side Paris Saint-Germain and German outfit Hamburg confirmed as participants." per WP:OVERLINK (I know OVERLINK says they could be linked in the first mention after the lead but two consecutive paragraphs?) the three clubs should be unlinked because in the previous paragraph they are linked
• "subsequently replaced by Spain's Valencia." Same with Valencia
• "In 2009, Arsenal" again not good to have a link with just a year
• "won the Emirates Cup in 2011" again
• "resumed in 2013" again
• "Emirates Cup in 2015" for all these links just rotate between "edition", "tournament" and "competition" you should be good
• "period of the 2016–17 season" link should be 2016–17 season
• The publisher in Ref #20 should link to Rec.Sport.Soccer Statistics Foundation.

• Done

All in all this is a good list that is very close to FL. - Yellow Dingo (talk) 12:28, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

Ta for your comments @Yellow Dingo:. The suggestions you've made are mostly stylistic, hence why I've chosen not to implement them. I tend to link years on their own (for instance 2015–16 season, instead of 2015–16 season and that's just more to my taste. If the manual said we should use the latter instead of the former, fair enough, but haven't seen that anywhere. Per MOS:LINK, there's no need to link Italian because it's obvious to the reader. Lemonade51 (talk) 22:39, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

• Fair enough I Support then. - Yellow Dingo (talk) 05:31, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

Comments by Threeohsix The prose is top standard, but I feel something it could do have some improvements. You cover the history well, but about the reception? Is it viewed as a top pre-season tournament, how's it compared with others in terms of appeal? with some many pre-season tournaments available, do clubs often skip this one to play for another, like Audi Cup? what's the cache that Arsenal spent to bring the teams there? Also it's the trophy generic or about Arsenal or Emirates? I know we're always depend on sources and what they cover, but it would be great not to have just a history of who won it.--Threeohsix (talk) 11:16, 23 July 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for your comments @Threeohsix: I think 'reception' is pretty self-explanatory as the first tournament was well attended and it's been like that ever since. Reception of managers, players? Not so sure. There's very little context to go on because it's a pre-season competition (the media's coverage isn't as comprehensive as a cup final or league fixture), and Arsenal doesn't release information about how they decide which clubs to invite and such. Hope that clears up your concerns. Lemonade51 (talk) 22:55, 23 July 2016 (UTC)

Support Go on then.--Threeohsix (talk) 11:38, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

Source review:

• Formatting: No blocking issues, though it would usually be standard to link Arsenal and Emirates on at least the first ref that has them as a publisher
• Spotchecks: refs 3, 14, 19, 27 checked; no issues
• Completeness: Would prefer to see more non-Arsenal references, but no real issues

Source review passed; closing this as promoted. --PresN 19:10, 3 August 2016 (UTC)

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