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After reviewing this users past edits, such as: continuously removing its territorial dispute with neighboring region [[Puntland]] in favor of Somaliland (see [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Somaliland&diff=prev&oldid=758510358 here], [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Somaliland&diff=prev&oldid=758523170 here], [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Somaliland&diff=prev&oldid=758530952 here], [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Heis_(town)&diff=prev&oldid=760079600 here], [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Heis_(town)&diff=prev&oldid=760027353 here], and [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Heis_(town)&diff=prev&oldid=760060623 here]), changing the map of [[Somaliland]] to present it as separate nation (see [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Somaliland&diff=prev&oldid=758586701 here], [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Somaliland&diff=prev&oldid=760061560 here], and [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Somaliland&diff=prev&oldid=760079799 here]), removing the disputed [[Khatumo State]] (see [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Somali_Civil_War&diff=prev&oldid=752795753 here]), and changing Somalia's map to present its dispute with its Somaliland region as if it had some form of international recognition (see [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Somalia&diff=prev&oldid=758755296 here], [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Somalia&diff=prev&oldid=758860924 here], and [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Somalia&diff=prev&oldid=759365431 here]), this article seems to be further [[WP:PROPAGANDA]]. Due to the reasons mentioned this article should be deleted. [[User:AcidSnow|AcidSnow]] ([[User talk:AcidSnow|talk]]) 05:40, 15 January 2017 (UTC) |
After reviewing this users past edits, such as: continuously removing its territorial dispute with neighboring region [[Puntland]] in favor of Somaliland (see [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Somaliland&diff=prev&oldid=758510358 here], [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Somaliland&diff=prev&oldid=758523170 here], [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Somaliland&diff=prev&oldid=758530952 here], [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Heis_(town)&diff=prev&oldid=760079600 here], [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Heis_(town)&diff=prev&oldid=760027353 here], and [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Heis_(town)&diff=prev&oldid=760060623 here]), changing the map of [[Somaliland]] to present it as separate nation (see [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Somaliland&diff=prev&oldid=758586701 here], [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Somaliland&diff=prev&oldid=760061560 here], and [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Somaliland&diff=prev&oldid=760079799 here]), removing the disputed [[Khatumo State]] (see [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Somali_Civil_War&diff=prev&oldid=752795753 here]), and changing Somalia's map to present its dispute with its Somaliland region as if it had some form of international recognition (see [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Somalia&diff=prev&oldid=758755296 here], [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Somalia&diff=prev&oldid=758860924 here], and [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Somalia&diff=prev&oldid=759365431 here]), this article seems to be further [[WP:PROPAGANDA]]. Due to the reasons mentioned this article should be deleted. [[User:AcidSnow|AcidSnow]] ([[User talk:AcidSnow|talk]]) 05:40, 15 January 2017 (UTC) |
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*'''Support''' - hyperbole as per o/p. Already more neutrally and contextually discussed elsewhere. Lacks the uniqueness that distinguishes actual genocides, as it's just one of various clan conflicts. Fails genocide on ethnoracial/cultural/national/religious grounds for reasons enumerated above, which are legal prerequisites for genocide per the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide [https://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10007043]. Also sensationalist infobox file flouts [[MOS:LEADIMAGE]]. Along with the non-neutral political maps, does appear to be political [[WP:PROPAGANDA]]. [[User:Soupforone|Soupforone]] ([[User talk:Soupforone|talk]]) 16:57, 15 January 2017 (UTC) |
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Article discussion
SUPPORT - As shown in this quote, the Isaaq weren't the only clan involved: "Government atrocities inflicted on the Hawiye were considered comparable in scale to those against the Majeerteen and Isaaq". In addition, very few individuals classify these events as a whole as a genocide, let alone the Isaaq clan solely. Nor is there any cultural, national, racial, religious, etc. differences between them and other clans as they are all ethnic Somalis. [1]. Those differences are what legally defines a genocide.[2]. In addition, the majority of the events already mentioned and those of other clans are current present on the Somali Rebellion article.
After reviewing this users past edits, such as: continuously removing its territorial dispute with neighboring region Puntland in favor of Somaliland (see here, here, here, here, here, and here), changing the map of Somaliland to present it as separate nation (see here, here, and here), removing the disputed Khatumo State (see here), and changing Somalia's map to present its dispute with its Somaliland region as if it had some form of international recognition (see here, here, and here), this article seems to be further WP:PROPAGANDA. Due to the reasons mentioned this article should be deleted. AcidSnow (talk) 05:40, 15 January 2017 (UTC)
- Support - hyperbole as per o/p. Already more neutrally and contextually discussed elsewhere. Lacks the uniqueness that distinguishes actual genocides, as it's just one of various clan conflicts. Fails genocide on ethnoracial/cultural/national/religious grounds for reasons enumerated above, which are legal prerequisites for genocide per the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide [3]. Also sensationalist infobox file flouts MOS:LEADIMAGE. Along with the non-neutral political maps, does appear to be political WP:PROPAGANDA. Soupforone (talk) 16:57, 15 January 2017 (UTC)