Talk:Sigma Pi Phi

This page was created as part of what appears to be a coordinated attack on another entry and organization, Alpha Phi Alpha, by NinjaNubian aka Mykungfu. There may also be some copyright issues, as the organization's history book is generally not presented publicly. Below is my suggestion for cleaning up this page; it even discusses from a NPOV what Mykungfu describes as "controversy." --Robotam 19:24, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

First African-American Fraternity?

Alpha Phi Alpha claims a historical position as the first intercollegiate Greek-letter fraternity in the United States established for men of African descent. However, some claim there is dispute as to whether Alpha Phi Alpha was the first black fraternity.

Some have claimed Sigma Pi Phi, founded in 1904, to be the first fraternity, although others argue this is a misnomer. Sigma was founded as an organization for professionals and college graduates and not as an organization of black college students. Historian Charles H. Wesley, a member of both Alpha Phi Alpha and Sigma Pi Phi, authored The History of Alpha Phi Alpha, A Development in College Life and The History of Sigma Pi Phi and asserts that Alpha Phi Alpha was the first Greek-letter organization among black college men.

Sigma Pi Phi and Alpha Phi Alpha have historically had a congenial relationship. One of Sigma's founders, Henry McKee Minton, was a member of both, as were many pioneers of business and civil rights, such as Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. --Robotam 19:24, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

posted by robotam 15:40, 14 September 2006

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congenial relationships? whee is this stated?

on this page used by robotam

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Alpha_Phi_Alpha&oldid=75725088

it states

"Sigma Pi Phi, founded in 1904, has also claimed to be the first although many argue this is a misnomer. . Sigma was founded as an organization for professionals and college graduates and not as an organization of black college students.[64] [69] Historian Charles H. Wesley, a member of both Alpha Phi Alpha and Sigma Pi Phi, authored The History of Alpha Phi Alpha, A Development in College Life and The History of Sigma Pi Phi and asserts that Alpha Phi Alpha was the first Greek-letter organization among black college men.[70]"

the first black inter collegiate fraternity historically is .. alpha kappa nu is shown here

evidence

http://groups.msn.com/NPHCArchivePhotoSociety/yourwebpage2.msnw

this article details some of the controversy that still exists

http://www.citypaper.com/news/story.asp?id=12053

http://www.usca.edu/nununupes/history.htm

www.stp.uh.edu/vol69/138/news/news3.html

205.188.116.134 17:00, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

coordinated attack

robotam

Came around september 6. his second edit was sept 12th, his third was on the 13th it basically seems as if his whole existance was to sign this RFC. I believe him to be a sockpuppet

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Robotam&limit=500&action=history Mykungfu 09:16, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Robotam has made it a pesonal mission to destroy pages created by ninjanubian as can be documented by his actions

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Sigma_Pi_Phi

and

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Alpha_Kappa_Nu

he opens up dispute pages for the sake of wasting everyone times..

he is also reverting pages twice in the past 90 minutes

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Alpha_Phi_Alpha&action=history

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Again my friend, sorry, no. --Robotam 19:17, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

posted by robotam

In Re: Cleanup

I re-inserted the dispute tag. The factual basis of the article is clearly in dispute, as the editor has yet to find support for these claims on the other pages that he has argued them on (and there claimed them AS issues in dispute). In regards to the cleanup tag, some of the cites refer as proof to a section of "Skip's Historical Moments" that clearly was a letter expressing one person's opinion (and was the subject of dispute even within the citation), on the dispute of whether Sigma is a fraternity, and the claim that they ever had undergraduate chapters. Thanks!-Robotam 12:42, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

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Not a problem. Sigma Pi Phi on its official home page states that it is a fraternity. http://www.sigma-pi-phi.net/ . In regards to Skip Mason a noted historian, he is used as a reference in the Alpha phi Alpha article "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpha_Phi_Alpha" "Historian and Alpha archivist Herman Mason has stated, "As a historian who recognizes that laying a foundation for any period of history, I find their omission inexcusable and without merit." I find it unusual how it's alright in one section of Wikipedia but not another. Mykungfu 17:36, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

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I'm sure you knew that was not what I said. Your citation on "undergraduate chapters" of Sigma was to an email/letter that someone wrote to the noted historian, which stated opinions that were disputed by the noted historian (your words). Feel free to cite Skip Mason or any other published historian, but it is misleading to cite the POV of someone that he corrected and claim that their POV is "undisputed." Since you agree it is not a problem, we can leave the dispute and cleanup tags up so other NPOVs can weigh in on it.-Robotam 03:23, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

the official homepage of Sigma Pi Phi states that it is a fraternity. If you can provide legit proof that it isn't a fraternity then we can discuss it. I don't believe you are acting in good faith so i'll move on. 149.68.16.97 18:03, 21 September 2006 (UTC)