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-==== [[The Tunnel Rats]] ====
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-This article was speedy deleted by [[User:Vegaswikian]] claiming the page's content was NN.  I discovered it missing whilst carrying out a research program on fringe sports in Australia.  In brief, as discussed with the person in question on their talk page [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Vegaswikian#The_Tunnel_Rats] I outlined that the group consists of 2,000+ members and is thus a very large organisation.  The group is the largest urban exploration group in Australia and possibly the most centralised group in the world.  The group has a large web presense and is number one ranked in many searches in relation to urban exploration, urban spelunking and sub-terrainian exploration.  The group has made front page news in Australia and had much media coverage promoting the sport of urbex.  Many websites link to the wikipedia entry, which is how I stumbled here in my research, furthermore many pages ON wikipedia rely on the article as a 'see also' or a reference.  The group is also the fastest growing social network of urban explorers in the southern hemisphere per my research.  I would like to see the article deleted due to the fact I wish to use it as a resource in my research and further may be able to add to the article.  [[User:211.30.71.59|211.30.71.59]] 03:40, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
-'''Relist / undelete''' as above, obviously.  [[User:211.30.71.59|211.30.71.59]] 06:56, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
-* I would support listing on AfD if there were some evidence of non-trivial coverage in reliable secondary sources.  I will userfy to allow addition of said sources if anyone wants me to. <b>[[User Talk:JzG|Guy]]</b> 12:36, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
-:Furthermore, another issue I touched on with Vegaswikian was that there are numerous other organisations of the same type, from varying countries, that have Wiki entries.  Many of which are insignificant small groups.  So we need some consistancy, it'd be like having a heap of small political parties listed in wiki but dropping the largest party in the country as not-notable.  [[User:211.30.71.59|211.30.71.59]] 02:54, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
-::Existance of other articles isn't evidence that one should be kept; we just haven't gotten around to deleting them yet. [[User:Night Gyr|Night Gyr]] ([[User talk:Night Gyr|talk]]/[[User:Night Gyr/Over|Oy]]) 03:22, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
-*'''Comment''' I was the one who tagged this one for notability originally, because the group seemed to actually be nothing more than a web forum inaccessible to unregistered members.  I couldn't find any evidence that they actually had any real world activities involving the thousands of people claimed. [[User:Night Gyr|Night Gyr]] ([[User talk:Night Gyr|talk]]/[[User:Night Gyr/Over|Oy]]) 03:22, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
-:You missed the extensive photo archives?  The reason the forum was taken down and the site was locked to members only was due to them being front page news for a week or so as being arrested and mislabelled as 'terrorists' because the Australian government can't tell the difference between combat webbing and abseiling gear.  :)  Something I was looking forward to adding to the article, too.  [[User:211.30.71.59|211.30.71.59]] 03:30, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
-*'''Comment''' 21,680 hits from Google, the group is on the first search page for the keywords 'urbex', 'urban exploration', 'subex' and other keywords for the sport of [[urban exploration]].  I'd say apart from infiltration.org, this group is the possibly most significant urban exploratory group (and advocates thereof) in the world. [[User:Jachin|Jachin]] 22:44, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
-*'''Comment''' The Tunnel Rats do seem to be a notable group in the urbex community.  While one must register to veiw the groups webpage (which I did not bother to do), in searching several other urbex groups' pages, I found that most linked to the tunnel rats' page.  They have also gained some newspaper notoriety for having a member recently arrested (on charges that are unrelated to the groups activities, or so it seems). [[User:Blueboar|Blueboar]] 00:05, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
-*'''Comment''' It's worth reviewing, there are instances here in the UK of the group being discussed by similar organisations here.[[User:ALR|ALR]] 08:55, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
-*'''Comment''' The group seems notable, but the article is nonexistent to and therefore can't be viewed by non-admins.  AFAIK, there's nothing preventing simple recreation (as opposed to relisting via debate), so maybe it should simply be recreated, and not actually put into an article namespace until the sourcing is solid, as it seems that the original deletion was based on a lack of secondary material. [[User:MSJapan|MSJapan]] 15:57, 9 November 2006 (UTC)