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There doesnt seem to be a Adal Kingdom in the 9th century. Adal is only first mentioned as a district within another polity in the 13th century, see here on p. 74 [1] List of kingdoms in the area, are in this order: Sultanate of Showa, Ifat Sultanate in the 12-13th and finally Adal Sultanate, see p.56-57 [2] p.83 [3] Adal also seems to be flat term for region rather then a state. p. 75 [4] Magherbin (talk) 03:32, 25 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Support. Seems fake to me. 我是一位中国人 (🇨🇳) 15:15, 25 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment The Encylopedia Americana reference in the article does briefly mention such a kingdom. [5] There are several other what I would characterize as low quality references (e.g. self-published book [6]) claiming that Al-Yaqubi wrote of such a kingdom in the 9th century, presumably in Kitab al-Buldan (Arabic: كتاب البلدان‎) (Book of the Countries). I thought it would be fairly easy to check in an english translation but while I can find public domain arabic versions, (e.g. [7]) I am failing to find one in english. Even if it could be verified that Al-Yaqubi wrote of such a kingdom, one would want secondary sources discussing the reliability of such an early work. It is possible that such sources exist in Arabic, but I am not aware of them. 24.151.50.175 (talk) 15:28, 25 March 2019 (UTC) The 1955 Lewis reference in the article (p. 140) [8] mentions the Al-Yaqubi account and some subsequent 10th century references, e.g. by Istakhri, Ibn Hawqal and Al-Muqaddasī. Some of these early accounts are discussed at both Zeila#Adal_kingdom and Adal_Sultanate#Establishment. I am coming to an opinion that consolidating all the early accounts, perhaps by merging to Adal_Sultanate#Establishment might be the best way forward. 24.151.50.175 (talk) 15:50, 25 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I dont think Al Yacubi mentioned Adal rather Zaila, however most historians seem to think the Zaila entity was most likely Adal's precursor, most early sources claim a kingdom of zaila later evolving into adal sultanate existed, noting arabic texts as explained on p.12 [9] For future purposes perhaps a seperate Adal region article could be started based on sources like these which claims adal is sometimes a vague term p.52 [10] p.20 [11]. Merger seems fine for now though, I just noticed merger was proposed by User:Mouthwash15 and User:Berek on the talk page of the article Magherbin (talk) 23:36, 25 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with merge, actually. On a side note, the lack of English-language references is a common problem I deal with regularly on my to-be articles, so I'm used to it. Woshiyiweizhongguoren (🇨🇳) 16:19, 25 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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 :'''Support'''. Seems fake to me. [[User:Woshiyiweizhongguoren|<b style="color:#00205B">我是一位</b><b style="color:#0077C0">中国</b><b style="color:#00205B">人</b>]] ([[User talk:Woshiyiweizhongguoren|<b style="color:#0077C0">🇨🇳</b>]]) 15:15, 25 March 2019 (UTC)
 *'''Comment''' The Encylopedia Americana reference in the article does briefly mention such a kingdom. [https://books.google.ca/books?id=OP5LAAAAMAAJ&focus=searchwithinvolume&q=adal] There are several other what I would characterize as low quality references (e.g. self-published book [https://books.google.com/books?id=TpVGDwAAQBAJ&pg=PT66&dq=%22Adal+Kingdom%22+-wikipedia&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjdr8Omx53hAhWFct8KHZdwDD0Q6AEILjAB#v=onepage&q=%22Adal%20Kingdom%22%20-wikipedia&f=false]) claiming that [[Al-Yaqubi]] wrote of such a kingdom in the 9th century, presumably in [[Kitab al-Buldan (Ya'qubi)|Kitab al-Buldan]] (Arabic: كتاب البلدان‎) (Book of the Countries). I thought it would be fairly easy to check in an english translation but while I can find public domain arabic versions, (e.g. [https://archive.org/details/kitabalbuldan00yaquuoft/page/n4]) I am failing to find one in english. Even if it could be verified that Al-Yaqubi wrote of such a kingdom, one would want secondary sources discussing the reliability of such an early work. It is possible that such sources exist in Arabic, but I am not aware of them. [[Special:Contributions/24.151.50.175|24.151.50.175]] ([[User talk:24.151.50.175|talk]]) 15:28, 25 March 2019 (UTC) The 1955 Lewis reference in the article (p. 140) [https://books.google.ca/books?id=Cd0mAQAAMAAJ&focus=searchwithinvolume&q=adal] mentions the Al-Yaqubi account and some subsequent 10th century references, e.g. by [[Istakhri]], [[Ibn Hawqal]] and [[Al-Maqdisi|Al-Muqaddasī]]. Some of these early accounts are discussed at both [[Zeila#Adal_kingdom]] and [[Adal_Sultanate#Establishment]]. I am coming to an opinion that consolidating all the early accounts, perhaps by '''merging''' to [[Adal_Sultanate#Establishment]] might be the best way forward. [[Special:Contributions/24.151.50.175|24.151.50.175]] ([[User talk:24.151.50.175|talk]]) 15:50, 25 March 2019 (UTC)
+:: I dont think Al Yacubi mentioned Adal rather Zaila, however most historians seem to think the Zaila entity was most likely Adal's precursor, most early sources claim a kingdom of zaila later evolving into adal sultanate existed, noting arabic texts as explained on p.12 [https://books.google.ca/books?id=c1ZsBgAAQBAJ&pg=PA12&dq=country+of+zayla+consists+of+ethnically+mixed+populations+of+semitic+and+cushitic+language+speaking+traders&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjZhfWNuJ7hAhUL34MKHWprDBoQ6AEILzAB#v=onepage&q=country%20of%20zayla%20consists%20of%20ethnically%20mixed%20populations%20of%20semitic%20and%20cushitic%20language%20speaking%20traders&f=false] For future purposes perhaps a seperate Adal region article could be started based on sources like these which claims adal is sometimes a vague term p.52 [https://books.google.ca/books?id=zpYBD3bzW1wC&pg=PA52&lpg=PA52&dq=which+lay+to+the+east+of+ifat+and+was+at+times+nominally+inluded+within+it&source=bl&ots=SAbQkfwgm-&sig=ACfU3U1NRgx6AJxWkxtccf0xeH1KDGwIVQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjPiJKbtZ7hAhWJ1IMKHTAZAogQ6AEwAHoECAkQAQ#v=onepage&q=which%20lay%20to%20the%20east%20of%20ifat%20and%20was%20at%20times%20nominally%20inluded%20within%20it&f=false] p.20 [https://books.google.ca/books?id=WU92d6sB8JAC&pg=PA20&dq=ifat+adal&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjW-OTGtJ7hAhWan4MKHQ7FD3UQ6AEIKjAA#v=onepage&q=ifat%20adal&f=false]. '''Merger''' seems fine for now though, I just noticed merger was proposed by [[User:Mouthwash15]] and [[User:Berek]] on the talk page of the article [[User:Magherbin|Magherbin]] ([[User talk:Magherbin|talk]]) 23:36, 25 March 2019 (UTC)
 I agree with '''merge''', actually. On a side note, the lack of English-language references is a common problem I deal with regularly on my to-be articles, so I'm used to it. [[User:Woshiyiweizhongguoren|<b style="color:#00205B">Woshiyiwei</b><b style="color:#0077C0">zhongguo</b><b style="color:#00205B">ren</b>]] ([[User talk:Woshiyiweizhongguoren|<b style="color:#0077C0">🇨🇳</b>]]) 16:19, 25 March 2019 (UTC)