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However, neither the question nor the answer has ever been reliably attributed, and remains the stuff of [[urban legend]]. [[Marcel Berlins]], legal correspondent for ''[[The Guardian]]'' newspaper, failed in his attempt to track down any verification.<ref>http://www.legalbanter.co.uk/uk-legal-moderated-legal-topics/24253-who-beatles.html "If anyone would like a magnum of champagne in return for a little literary sleuthing, Marcel Berlins, legal correspondent for the Guardian, has a competition. There are many references (check Google for confirmation) to a judge who once asked, during a case (perhaps in the 60s) "Who are the Beatles?". Berlins contends this is apocryphal and will award said fizz to anyone who proves otherwise."</ref> In 2007 Berlins restated his offer of "a bottle of best Guardian champagne to any reader with a solution".<ref>[https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2007/may/21/uk.law The Guardian, 21 May 2007. Accessed 2 May 2018.]</ref> Davies (2018) attributes the encounter to Judge [[James Pickles]].<ref>Davies, Christie. "Judges and Humour in Britain: From Anecdotes to Jokes" in Jessica Milner Davis and Sharyn Roach Anleu (eds.) (2018). ''Judges, Judging and Humour''. {{ISBN|978-3-319-76737-6}}</ref>
However, neither the question nor the answer has ever been reliably attributed, and remains the stuff of [[urban legend]]. [[Marcel Berlins]], legal correspondent for ''[[The Guardian]]'' newspaper, failed in his attempt to track down any verification.<ref>http://www.legalbanter.co.uk/uk-legal-moderated-legal-topics/24253-who-beatles.html "If anyone would like a magnum of champagne in return for a little literary sleuthing, Marcel Berlins, legal correspondent for the Guardian, has a competition. There are many references (check Google for confirmation) to a judge who once asked, during a case (perhaps in the 60s) "Who are the Beatles?". Berlins contends this is apocryphal and will award said fizz to anyone who proves otherwise."</ref> In 2007 Berlins restated his offer of "a bottle of best Guardian champagne to any reader with a solution".<ref>[https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2007/may/21/uk.law The Guardian, 21 May 2007. Accessed 2 May 2018.]</ref> Davies (2018) attributes the encounter to Judge [[James Pickles]].<ref>Davies, Christie. "Judges and Humour in Britain: From Anecdotes to Jokes" in Jessica Milner Davis and Sharyn Roach Anleu (eds.) (2018). ''Judges, Judging and Humour''. {{ISBN|978-3-319-76737-6}}</ref>


The phrase may have been influenced by events in the 1960 obscenity trial of ''[[Lady Chatterley's Lover]]'' in which the legal profession was ridiculed for being out of touch with changing social norms when the chief prosecutor, [[Mervyn Griffith-Jones]], asked jurors to consider if it were the kind of book "you would wish your wife or servants to read".<ref>[http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/november/10/newsid_2965000/2965194.stm BBC ON THIS DAY | 10 | 1960: Lady Chatterley's Lover sold out<!-- Bot generated title -->]</ref>{{notincitation|date=August 2019}}
The phrase may have been influenced by events in the 1960 obscenity trial of ''[[Lady Chatterley's Lover]]'' in which the legal profession was ridiculed for being out of touch with changing social norms when the chief prosecutor, [[Mervyn Griffith-Jones]], asked jurors to consider if it were the kind of book "you would wish your wife or servants to read".<ref>[http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/november/10/newsid_2965000/2965194.stm BBC ON THIS DAY | 10 | 1960: Lady Chatterley's Lover sold out<!-- Bot generated title -->]</ref>


==See also==
==See also==

Revision as of 13:36, 12 August 2019

Popular beat combo as a synonym for "pop group" is a cliché phrase within British culture. It may also be used more specifically to refer to The Beatles, or other purveyors of beat music.

The deliberately out-dated phrase may be used as an ironic or journalistic synonym,[1][2][3][4] or by someone to denigrate a pop group referred to, or may be used of another person's views to imply that they are "out of touch".[5] It may also be used to ridicule legalese, antiquated courtroom practices, and eccentric judges.[6][7]

The phrase is frequently used in Private Eye and in the BBC panel game Have I Got News For You, making fun of Ian Hislop's supposed lack of knowledge about modern music.

Derivation

It is widely held that the phrase "popular beat combo" was coined in an English courtroom in the 1960s by a barrister in response to a judge asking (for the benefit of the court's records) "Who are The Beatles?"; the answer being "I believe they are a popular beat combo, m'lud."[8]

However, neither the question nor the answer has ever been reliably attributed, and remains the stuff of urban legend. Marcel Berlins, legal correspondent for The Guardian newspaper, failed in his attempt to track down any verification.[9] In 2007 Berlins restated his offer of "a bottle of best Guardian champagne to any reader with a solution".[10] Davies (2018) attributes the encounter to Judge James Pickles.[11]

The phrase may have been influenced by events in the 1960 obscenity trial of Lady Chatterley's Lover in which the legal profession was ridiculed for being out of touch with changing social norms when the chief prosecutor, Mervyn Griffith-Jones, asked jurors to consider if it were the kind of book "you would wish your wife or servants to read".[12]

See also

References

  1. ^ BBC News, 18 May 2006 "If the potential divorce settlement between Sir Paul McCartney and his now estranged wife, Heather, ever reaches court, the musician had perhaps better hope the sitting judge is aware of that particular popular beat combo."
  2. ^ Punch (1990)- Volume 299, Issues 7797-7810 - Page 6; "Mr Bruce Dickinson, who croons with the popular beat combo, Iron Maiden, was recently served with a paternity suit"
  3. ^ British Journal of Neuroscience Nursing Vol. 4, No. 9, 2008; "the popular beat combo, Jefferson Airplane"
  4. ^ Hylton, Stuart (1998). From Rationing to Rock: The 1950s Revisited - Page 52; "that popular beat combo, the Rolling Stones"
  5. ^ Tim Worstall (28 May 2018). "Knife Crime Is Caused By Popular Beat Combo Says Judge". Continental Telegraph.
  6. ^ Le Vay, Benedict (2002). Eccentric London: The Bradt Guide to Britain's Crazy and Curious Capital, p174. ISBN 9781841620411. "British judges absolutely reek of eccentricity. Many see them as ignorant of modern culture, completely out of touch, and having a flippant attitude to their powers... Thus unbelievable questions - such as that of one judge who had to ask 'Who are the Beatles' - receive unbelievable answers - 'a popular beat combo m'lud'."
  7. ^ "Why Sir Paul's 'genius' could save him millions". BBC NEWS | Magazine. 18 May 2006.
  8. ^ Julian Champkin (25 November 2011). "Editorial/Letters". Significance. Royal Statistical Society. doi:10.1111/j.1740-9713.2011.00531.x.
  9. ^ http://www.legalbanter.co.uk/uk-legal-moderated-legal-topics/24253-who-beatles.html "If anyone would like a magnum of champagne in return for a little literary sleuthing, Marcel Berlins, legal correspondent for the Guardian, has a competition. There are many references (check Google for confirmation) to a judge who once asked, during a case (perhaps in the 60s) "Who are the Beatles?". Berlins contends this is apocryphal and will award said fizz to anyone who proves otherwise."
  10. ^ The Guardian, 21 May 2007. Accessed 2 May 2018.
  11. ^ Davies, Christie. "Judges and Humour in Britain: From Anecdotes to Jokes" in Jessica Milner Davis and Sharyn Roach Anleu (eds.) (2018). Judges, Judging and Humour. ISBN 978-3-319-76737-6
  12. ^ BBC ON THIS DAY | 10 | 1960: Lady Chatterley's Lover sold out
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