Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Monaco

Portal:Monaco

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Portal:Monaco is a small portal for a small country, but its level of viewing is too small. The portal has 4 daily pageviews in the first half of 2019, while the head article has 7048 daily pageviews (reflecting its status as a tourist attraction and gambling resort). This is a single-page portal, originated by User:The Transhumanist toward the beginning of the wave of reckless portal creation. At least a very small very rich country is a less absurd topic for a portal than some of the portals created by TTH. This portal has 29 articles referenced in embedded lists, so that it doesn't use subpages and doesn't have subpage rot. But it doesn't have large numbers of readers, either, and doesn't really function as a miniature Main Page. There is no evidence of support at WP:WikiProject Monaco or WP:WikiProject European Microstates. Since this already is a modern-design portal, there is no reason to re-create it with a better design. The design isn't the problem; the lack of readers is. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:09, 20 September 2019 (UTC)

• Keep. Here we have a good page which few readers visit. The solution is not to delete the good page but to make it more visible, or simply to leave it alone where it benefits 1400 readers a year and harms no one. The lack of pageviews may be because the portal has just 59 incoming wikilinks from articles, mostly from backwaters such as List of mayors of Monaco and Treaty of Tordesillas (1524) and located in the footer of a navbox at the bottom of the page, and is excluded from searches. For comparison, the article Monaco has 11,609 incoming links and is included in searches. Certes (talk) 16:29, 20 September 2019 (UTC)

@Certes WP:POG requires portals have large numbers of readers, while this has almost none. 4 views a day is a pure background noise of search bots and accidental clicks, if there even are any accidental clicks. Portals don't have their own content, and at 0.06% of the daily views of the head article, this one clearly adds no value to exploring the topic of Monaco on Wikipedia. It would take nearly five years for this portal to have the total number of views the head article gets in a single day. There is no evidence that adding links has ever increased any portals viewing rate, so please stop trotting out a fake talking point. Newshunter12 (talk) 18:57, 20 September 2019 (UTC)

@Certes: I really wish that portal fans would stop flogging that poor dead horse of "excluded from searches". I thought that it had been laid to rest long ago.

1. It applies to all portals. It's no reason to make an exception of this one.
2. If you want to propose that it be changed, then go right ahead and open an RFC. I for one will vigorously oppose it on principle, because a search for articles should return articles. The search should not include categories, template, portals, files, or any other namespace. But go on, open that RFC and see where the consensus lies.
3. A few second's thought or one minute's research would show that it's a daft idea, because portalspace consists overwhelming of sub-pages, most of which are on their own useless to readers (their value lies in being part of a main portal page). To save you that minute of research, here's a search of portalspace for the word city.

Anyway, if you wanna pursue the idea, then RFC is thataway. This here is MFD. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 20:06, 20 September 2019 (UTC)

• Delete and oppose re-creation per the nom. This portal is about an exceedingly narrow topic and has incredibly low readership (0.06% of the daily views of the head article), which is a clear fail of the WP:POG requirement that portals should be about "broad subject areas, which are likely to attract large numbers of interested readers and portal maintainers". Newshunter12 (talk) 18:57, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
• Delete and oppose re-creation, per the nominator. Low readership + trivial pageviews = clear fail of the WP:POG requirement that portals should be about "broad subject areas, which are likely to attract large numbers of interested readers and portal maintainers".

POG also guides that "the portal should be associated with a WikiProject (or have editors with sufficient interest) to help ensure a supply of new material for the portal and maintain the portal" ... but WP:WikiProject Monaco is inactive. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 20:14, 20 September 2019 (UTC)

• Note to closing admin. I don't want in any way to prejudge the outcome ... but if you close this discussion as delete, please can you not remove the backlinks? I have an AWB setup which allows me to easily replace them with links to the next most specific portal(s) (in this case Portal:Europe), without creating duplicate entries. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 20:16, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
• Keep, lack of readers is not a reason for deletion. Were the four people viewing the page every day made unhappy by the existence of the portal? —Kusma (t·c) 16:18, 23 September 2019 (UTC)