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=== Slrubenstein ===


::''I raised this issue before, it was rejected on the grounds that I should have presented it as defence evidence in the arbitration against [[User:CheeseDreams]]. I refused to do so because I thought that the defence evidence would not be commented on, none of its facts would be found/unfound, and it would be ignored. I was correct. However, that argument '''against''' raising this arbitration no longer exists.''

Slrubenstein has the following behaviour-
* frequent and rabid personal attacks - "Amgine is simply revealing his ignorance", "Amgine has amply demonstrated that this good faith is ill-deserved", "Amgine, you simply don't know what you are talking about and are in no poisition to judge content", (with respect to the version Amgine supports) "pompous and ridiculous", (to Amgine) "You have made your own ignorance clear", (to Amgine) "You have not contributed anything of value, and have only gotten in the way", "You must live in a dark wolrd[sic] indeed", "Your claim ... is frankly one of the stupidest things I have ever heard.", "they are both moronic so I must be misreading you", "he is incapable of intelligent contributions or discussion", "CheeseDreams, FT2 and Amgine actually need mentoring on how to work in Wikipedia", "hasn't done any research, used a crappy, non-authoritative quote", "FT2 is partisan and resents criticism", "Next time, a little research before you write in an article would be in order.", "your reasoning is specious and ignorant"
* vanity, and equal lack of respect for people who disagree with it - e.g. "These are historical facts, don't change them", "I deleted the short paragraph on Messianic movements because it is not based on critical historical scholarship", "This is a superior -- more precise, more accurate -- version", "It seems like lousy scholarship and inappropriate to boot", "Give up the delusion that whatever "you" think is "the consensus."", ""FT2, Amgine, and CheeseDream ... are mistaken and ignorant about many things", "I had explained to FT2 what his mistake was, and corrected him"
* "''Trolling''" - Massively verbose responses to small questions which are easily answered
* Hypocriticism - (repeatedly) moving a summary by one contributer that that contributer considers important to an archive but resurrecting his own text from the archive
* Unwillingness to adhere to NPOV, or the basic priciples of consensus. This is best illustrated by [[Talk:Jewish mythology]], but also by the archives of [[Talk:Cultural and historical background of Jesus]]
::Other examples include, [[User:FT2|FT2]] producing a version of an article for discussion, for the very purpose of avoiding an edit war, which Slrubenstein proceeded immediately to completely overwrite and radically restructure in a manner not acceptable to at least 2 of the other editors, FT2 then integrated Slrubensteins changes, but Slrubenstein reverted them, talk page discussion occurred in which Slrubenstein was adamantly unwilling to tolerate anything other than his paragraph as it stood, despite his criticisms being continuously taken into account.
* Persistent use of a deliberately offensive term ''Bubelah'', as admitted to be a personal attack here [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AJohn_Kenney&diff=8210309&oldid=8159823]
* Made an accusation of racism and absolutely refused to retract it, re-asserting it more forcefully, in fact

Since mediation between Slrubenstein and two people who opposed his views - Amgine and CheeseDreams failed,

I therefore request
*Arbitration
*an immediate injunction, specifically a ban of Slrubenstein from articles relating to Judao-Christianity, for aggressive edit warring (as illustrated by the history of [[Cultural and historical background of Jesus]] - at this link [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Cultural_and_historical_background_of_Jesus&limit=50&offset=300&action=history]).

I do not regard [[User:Fred Bauder|Fred Bauder]] as a neutral arbitrator. A good The reason can be found here [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Jguk/Sandbox1&oldid=8565213] if you are interested (another, rather bizarre, statement [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AFvw&diff=9707274&oldid=9706736] - is quite interesting to note as well).

[[User:CheeseDreams|CheeseDreams]] 22:18, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)
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:Note: the supposedly bizarre statement of Fred Bauder is easily explained. Fred copied the text of a complaint posted to the mailing list by an individual who had been blocked; he put this copied text on the user talk page of the admin who had imposed the block; he added his signature with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>. It appears confusing without the context, but has nothing to do with whether he should be recused. --[[User:Michael Snow|Michael Snow]] 00:16, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC)
:::Note, with regard to ''the supposedly bizarre statement of Fred Bauder'', I wrote that it was ''quite interesting'', not that it was ''relevant''.

::Which still leaves the accusation that a matter in his personal life makes him unfit to be an arbitrator, a claim that I think the word "absurd" is too nice for, personally, and I hope that Fred does not set for himself the precedent of recusing for any user who decides to cite that reason. [[User:Snowspinner|Snowspinner]] 03:36, Jan 29, 2005 (UTC)
:::I think it is a good enough reason for Fred Bauder to cease being an arbitrator. But that isn't the issue here. [[User:CheeseDreams|CheeseDreams]] 20:30, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC)
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==== Response by Slrubenstein ====

Thank you Grunt. I will respond here as briefly as I can; if I should have done this on the talk page let me know and I will move it.
*First and foremost, I apologize to the Arbitration Committee for having had a role in unleashing the Cheese Dreams nightmare on you, and I sincerely wish you good luck. I say this because I think her complaint is frivolous and without merit, and she is doing this merely as an act of revenge because I joined in a complaint to the Arb Com.
*Second, I admit to most of what she accuses me of having written or done. In most cases these are factual statements that I do not believe would constitute poor behavior under any circumstances (for example, I wrote that "Amgine is displaying his ignorance" only after Amgine asserted a claim that was ignorant; moroever, I explained why it was ignorant and provided my sources. "CheeseDreams, FT2 and Amgine actually need mentoring on how to work in Wikipedia" and "Next time, a little research before you write in an article would be in order." were similarly factual assertions and completely appropriate; this is not the first time that a Wikipedian has suggested mentoring for a Newbie and there is nothing wrong with the suggestion. Moreover, verification is one of our policies. There is nothing at all wrong for asking verification, and, if verification is not offered, informing newbies that they ought to back up their work with research. I am absolutely proud that I wrote "These are historical facts, don't change them" and "I deleted the short paragraph on Messianic movements because it is not based on critical historical scholarship" because I am firmly committed to our verification policy. These were accurate statements and I'd be happy to provide my historical sources upon request (or, you could just go to the article as I also followed policy by citing sources)
*As for other things I said that are more hostile, all I can say is that in some cases these statements were perfectly appropriate in context; in other cases they reflect my exasperation and fatigue at having to defend claims I had made that were based on research and backed up by sources against petty arguments by people who actually admitted to not knowing much about the topic.
*Bubbelah is not in any way offensive. I used it only to reciprocate Cheese Dream's affectionate use of "darling." Since Cheese Dreams has been claiming authority over Jewish matters, by criticizing my edits involving Jewish history and culture, and by proposing her own, I assumed she would understand the reference.
*Re: her complaint, "Hypocriticism - (repeatedly) moving a summary by one contributer that that contributer considers important to an archive but resurrecting his own text from the archive." She refers to her own obsession with writing extensive summaries. The thing is, her having written these summaries was actually part of my complaint to the ArbCom ''against'' her. I believe that your decision then reflected your assessment of this complaint [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/CheeseDreams#Summaries_on_Talk:Cultural_and_historical_background_of_Jesus]. Here ChesseDreams is trying to use a back-door attempt to get you to reverse your earlier decision.
*CheeseDreams wants you to ban me from Cultural and Historical Background of Jesus simply because she blames me for her having been banned. I do not deny that interactions between she and I were often acrimoneous. But I do think there is one stark difference between us: I always backed up my claims with the most reputable sources; she never backed up any of her claims. Never. Anything I said that may have been too aggressive was said in defense of Wikipedia standards against someone who has repeatedly shown little or no regard at all for those standards.
*Beyond these immediate responses, I would ask you to look at [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/CheeseDreams#Slrubenstein my original complant against her], and [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/CheeseDreams/Evidence#Evidence_presented_by_Slrubenstein my evidence]. ''CheeseDreams is not bringing up '''anything''' new''. Every element in her complaint against me comes from her defense in re my complaint against her. She is just wasting your time trying to get you to reverse your decision, and she is making me waste my time by necessitating me to respond to things I responded to in detail, here, a month ago. And worst of all, she is putting me in a position where ''I'' must waste your time, by making you read this response that simply repeats things we went over in arbitration before, and for this I apologize.
*It is precisely because of these time-wasting trivial acts that I consider CheeseDreams to be a troll. I do not say this lightly; I sincerely believe that her first priority is to disrupt the work of others [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/CheeseDreams#Disruption_2 ArbCom finding of fact], secondly to push her own agenda (which involves gnosticism), and a very very very distant third, to possibly make some contribution to our project. Alas, I am convinced that her obsessive, vengeful nature will lead her to do this again and again, which is why I once suggested she should be banned. I imagine that she has not committed a banable offense and thus cannot be banned. But if my assessment of her character is accurate, well, you will see in time. [[User:Slrubenstein|Slrubenstein]] 23:15, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)

====Comment from CheeseDreams====
I have no interest in overturning any issue with regards to me.

This is '''not''' about me, and is about Slrubenstein.

I DO '''NOT''' ask that any result of this has a bearing on my case.

I am 100% absolutely serious in this. It is not a stunt (as someone suggested on my talk page).

:For the record, *I* wasn't suggesting it was a stunt, I was offering CD the chance to respond to what I perceived *OTHER* people were concluding... that it was a stunt. I have no opinion on the matter other than to take CD's statement at face value and assume it's a serious RfAr. --[[User:Dante Alighieri|Dante Alighieri]] | [[User talk:Dante Alighieri|Talk]] 02:06, Jan 30, 2005 (UTC)

P.s. Slrubenstein, above, is attempting to commit an ad hominem attack to draw fire, which is one of the very issues surrounding him - see [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AJohn_Kenney&diff=9771266&oldid=9748010] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AWesley&diff=9771264&oldid=9747861].

[[User:CheeseDreams|CheeseDreams]] 20:30, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC)
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P.P.s. since no-one actually notified me about the RfAr Slrubenstein raised against me when he did so, I thought it appropriate to neglect to do the same.
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====Comment by [[User:Ta bu shi da yu|Ta bu shi da yu]]====
As far as I'm concerned, this is a frivolous and unwarranted attack by CheeseDreams on Slrubenstein. I might point out that CD has caused lots of problems on this site, especially on pages like [[Historicity of Jesus]]. She has had a previous ArbCom ruling against her, where she was banned from editing yet continued editing anyway. She also has at least 4 or 5 accounts which we have to continuously monitor. I might also point out that she once vandalised my user page. I think there is a significant case of bad faith here. - [[User:Ta bu shi da yu|Ta bu shi da yu]] 22:41, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC)

==== Diffs as requested by Grunt ====

* Vanity (edit warring) - overt estimate of his editing worth [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Talk%3ACultural_and_historical_background_of_Jesus&diff=7061920&oldid=7061792]
* Failure to assume good faith / Hypocrisy [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Talk%3ACultural_and_historical_background_of_Jesus&diff=7062074&oldid=7061920]
* Vanity again (edit warring) [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Cultural_and_historical_background_of_Jesus&diff=7062495&oldid=7062468]
* More edit warring [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Cultural_and_historical_background_of_Jesus&diff=7062958&oldid=7062543]
* Hypocrisy (stating that edits shouldn't be reverted, after reverting someone else 3 hours earlier) [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Talk%3ACultural_and_historical_background_of_Jesus&diff=7062912&oldid=7062582 23:12, 2 Nov 2004]
* Personal attack ("You must live in a dark wolrd indeed") [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Talk%3ACultural_and_historical_background_of_Jesus&diff=7079048&oldid=7078819 17:37, 3 Nov 2004]
* Incivility [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Talk%3ACultural_and_historical_background_of_Jesus&diff=7084754&oldid=7084474 23:02, 3 Nov 2004]
* Personal attack + incivility ("It seems like lousy scholarship and inappropriate to boot") [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Talk%3ACultural_and_historical_background_of_Jesus&diff=7108184&oldid=7108088 22:12, 4 Nov 2004]
* Incivility/personal attacks ("frankly one of the stupidest things I have ever heard" and "they are both moronic") [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Talk%3ACultural_and_historical_background_of_Jesus&diff=7108573&oldid=7108450 22:28, 4 Nov 2004]
* Incivility/Unwillingness to appreciate the principles of consensus [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Talk%3ACultural_and_historical_background_of_Jesus&diff=7830779&oldid=7830709 00:58, 25 Nov 2004]
* Personal attack ("FT2, Amgine, and CheeseDream ... are mistaken and ignorant")
[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Talk%3ACultural_and_historical_background_of_Jesus&diff=7831891&oldid=7831665 01:37, 25 Nov 2004]
* Personal attack ("he is incapable of intelligent contributions or discussion") [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Talk%3ACultural_and_historical_background_of_Jesus&diff=7831918&oldid=7831891 01:48, 25 Nov 2004]
* Vanity/Personal attack ("CheeseDreams, FT2 and Amgine actually need mentoring on how to work in Wikipedia") [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Talk%3ACultural_and_historical_background_of_Jesus&diff=7852189&oldid=7852126 19:17, 25 Nov 2004]
* Personal attack/incivility/no good faith ("hasn't done any research", "used a crappy, non-authoritative quote") [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Talk%3ACultural_and_historical_background_of_Jesus&diff=7797551&oldid=7797498]
* Personal attack ("FT2 is partisan and resents criticism") [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Talk%3ACultural_and_historical_background_of_Jesus&diff=7831055&oldid=7830993]
* Deliberately instigating an edit war over the presence of a summary of the discussion so far (which had been accepted practice with prior summaries until CheeseDreams made a summary) - [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Talk%3ACultural_and_historical_background_of_Jesus&diff=7996676&oldid=7996595], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Talk%3ACultural_and_historical_background_of_Jesus&diff=7997238&oldid=7997188], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Talk%3ACultural_and_historical_background_of_Jesus&diff=7997333&oldid=7997238], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Talk%3ACultural_and_historical_background_of_Jesus&diff=7998414&oldid=7998244], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Talk%3ACultural_and_historical_background_of_Jesus&diff=8001440&oldid=8001372], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Talk%3ACultural_and_historical_background_of_Jesus&diff=8001722&oldid=8001587], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Talk%3ACultural_and_historical_background_of_Jesus&diff=8002116&oldid=8001722], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Talk%3ACultural_and_historical_background_of_Jesus&diff=8052747&oldid=8052417], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Talk%3ACultural_and_historical_background_of_Jesus&diff=8083772&oldid=8083455], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Talk%3ACultural_and_historical_background_of_Jesus&diff=8090140&oldid=8090014], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Talk%3ACultural_and_historical_background_of_Jesus&diff=8090533&oldid=8090472], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Talk%3ACultural_and_historical_background_of_Jesus&diff=8093198&oldid=8093080], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Talk%3ACultural_and_historical_background_of_Jesus&diff=8093666&oldid=8093477], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Talk%3ACultural_and_historical_background_of_Jesus&diff=8094273&oldid=8094244], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Talk%3ACultural_and_historical_background_of_Jesus&diff=8124267&oldid=8124201], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Talk%3ACultural_and_historical_background_of_Jesus&diff=8139252&oldid=8132029], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Talk%3ACultural_and_historical_background_of_Jesus&diff=8154124&oldid=8153985], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Talk%3ACultural_and_historical_background_of_Jesus&diff=8155238&oldid=8155197], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Talk%3ACultural_and_historical_background_of_Jesus&diff=8159485&oldid=8159128], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Talk%3ACultural_and_historical_background_of_Jesus&diff=8187054&oldid=8186452], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Talk%3ACultural_and_historical_background_of_Jesus&diff=0&oldid=8217576]
* Hypocrisy with respect to the above by restoring a previously removed summary from an archive - [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Talk%3ACultural_and_historical_background_of_Jesus&diff=7948360&oldid=7944584]
* Suggests a compromise [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Talk%3ACultural_and_historical_background_of_Jesus&diff=7797285&oldid=7797243], which was acted on, then engages in an edit war over the enaction of the compromise (finally violating admin powers to protect his version - the page is now deleted so I can't get the diffs unfortunately), then denies the compromise [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Talk%3ACultural_and_historical_background_of_Jesus&diff=7877127&oldid=7876491], and says it was a joke [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Talk%3ACultural_and_historical_background_of_Jesus&diff=7880975&oldid=7879720]
* Personal Research [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Archaeology&diff=prev&oldid=4858440]
* POV Pushing [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jesus&diff=prev&oldid=6801010]
* More POV Pushing [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jesus&diff=prev&oldid=6801035]
* Yet More [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Brit_milah&diff=prev&oldid=3204117]
* Extreme POV editing [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Cradle_of_Humanity&diff=prev&oldid=2280853]
* More of his personal campaign supressing phariseeic contexts [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bernard_of_Clairvaux&diff=prev&oldid=2873864]
* Personal campaign (to assert "Rabbinical" over the phrase "traditional forms", as at "Cultural and historical background ...") [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Judaism&diff=prev&oldid=4890219]
* Willful deletion of valuable material [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Capitalism&diff=prev&oldid=4906713]
* Intolerance, vanity, incivility [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Jewish_mythology&oldid=4089703]
* Lack of interest in consensus, or wiki style editing - [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AJewish_mythology&diff=4365749&oldid=4358243]
* Lack of civility or co-operation [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AJewish_mythology&diff=4370785&oldid=4370161]


This is but a selection. The last 3 have nothing to do with me, and were completely unprovoked by anyone as far as I can tell, and yet his base incivility, and general lack of gentlemanly behaviour, remains.

[[User:CheeseDreams|CheeseDreams]] 20:30, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC)
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==== Votes and Comments by Arbitrators (0/6/0/0) ====
* <s>I would like to hear what Slrubenstein has to say here before making an official vote. I also note that Slrubenstein has not been notified of the request. -- [[User:Grunt|Grun]][[User talk:Grunt|t]] [[European Union|{{User:Grunt/euflag}}]] 22:50, 2005 Jan 28 (UTC)</s> <s>I would further like to see the diffs of Cheesedreams' cited edits before making an official vote. -- [[User:Grunt|Grun]][[User talk:Grunt|t]] [[European Union|{{User:Grunt/euflag}}]] 23:20, 2005 Jan 28 (UTC)</s> Reject. I fail to see the connections between what Cheesedreams say the edits represent and what I percieve the edits as representing; i.e. the cited edits do not strike me as being particularly objectionable. -- [[User:Grunt|Grun]][[User talk:Grunt|t]] [[European Union|{{User:Grunt/euflag}}]] 21:00, 2005 Jan 29 (UTC)
*:Slrubenstein has now been notified. --[[User:Dante Alighieri|Dante Alighieri]] | [[User talk:Dante Alighieri|Talk]] 23:12, Jan 28, 2005 (UTC)
* Reject. I see almost nothing here that would even be worthy of a minor reprimand. [[User:Ambi|Ambi]] 23:12, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC)
*Reject. [[User:Neutrality|Neutrality]]<sup>[[User talk:Neutrality|talk]]</sup> 23:13, Jan 29, 2005 (UTC)
*Reject [[User:Maveric149|mav]] 23:15, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC)
*Reject. And note that "you are wrong" is not a personal attack -- [[User:Sannse|sannse]] [[User talk:Sannse|(talk)]] 23:18, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC)
*Reject [[User:David Gerard|David Gerard]] 00:57, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC)
* Reject with prejudice [[User:The Epopt|&#10149;the Epopt]] 05:32, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC)


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