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Now I see the revert war that you were complaining about. You are involved in it. The neutral solution is to remove the question for now. There is no consensus and frankly not even a cogent answer.
Undo, all of you knock it off and take it to talk ASAP
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|q=Q6<nowiki>:</nowiki> Why isn't a certain controversy/criticism/praise included in this article?
|q=Q6<nowiki>:</nowiki> Why isn't there a criticisms/controversies section?
|a='''A6''': Because a section dedicated to criticisms and controversies is no more appropriate than a section dedicated solely to praises and is an indication of a poorly written article. Criticisms/controversies/praises should be worked into the existing prose of the article, per [[WP:CRIT]].}}
|a='''A6''': Wikipedia's [[WP:BLP|Biography of living persons policy]] says that "[c]riticism and praise of the subject should be represented if it is relevant to the subject's notability and can be sourced to reliable secondary sources, and so long as the material is written in a manner that does not overwhelm the article or appear to take sides; it needs to be presented responsibly, conservatively, and in a neutral, encyclopedic tone." Criticism or praise that cannot be [[WP:RS|reliably sourced]] cannot be placed in a biography. Also, including everything about Obama in a single article would exceed Wikipedia's article size restrictions. A number of sub-articles have been created and some controversies/criticisms/praises have been [[WP:SS|summarized]] here or been left out of this article altogether, but are covered in some detail in the sub-articles.}}
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|q=Q7<nowiki>:</nowiki> But this controversy/criticism/praise is all over the news right now! It should be covered in detail in the main article, not buried in a sub-article!
|q=Q7<nowiki>:</nowiki> Why isn't a certain controversy/criticism/praise included in this article?
|a='''A7''': Wikipedia's [[WP:BLP|Biography of living persons policy]] says that "[c]riticism and praise of the subject should be represented if it is relevant to the subject's notability and can be sourced to reliable secondary sources, and so long as the material is written in a manner that does not overwhelm the article or appear to take sides; it needs to be presented responsibly, conservatively, and in a neutral, encyclopedic tone." Criticism or praise that cannot be [[WP:RS|reliably sourced]] cannot be placed in a biography. Also, including everything about Obama in a single article would exceed Wikipedia's article size restrictions. A number of sub-articles have been created and some controversies/criticisms/praises have been [[WP:SS|summarized]] here or been left out of this article altogether, but are covered in some detail in the sub-articles.}}
|a='''A7''': Wikipedia articles should avoid giving [[WP:WEIGHT|undue weight]] to something just because it is in the news [[WP:RECENT|right now]]. If you feel that the criticism/controversy/praise is not being given enough weight in this article, you can try to start a discussion on the talk page about giving it more. See [[WP:BRD]].}}
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|q=Q8<nowiki>:</nowiki> But this controversy/criticism/praise is all over the news right now! It should be covered in detail in the main article, not buried in a sub-article!
|q=Q8<nowiki>:</nowiki> This article needs much more (or much less) criticism/controversy.
|a='''A8''': Wikipedia articles should avoid giving [[WP:WEIGHT|undue weight]] to something just because it is in the news [[WP:RECENT|right now]]. If you feel that the criticism/controversy/praise is not being given enough weight in this article, you can try to start a discussion on the talk page about giving it more. See [[WP:BRD]].}}
|a='''A8''': Please try to [[WP:AGF|assume good faith]]. Like all articles on Wikipedia, this article is a work in progress so it is possible for biases to exist at any point in time. If you see a bias that you wish to address, you are more than welcome to start a new discussion, or join in an existing discussion, but please be ready to provide sources to support your viewpoint and try to keep your comments [[WP:CIVIL|civil]]. Starting off your discussion by accusing the editors of this article of having a bias is the quickest way to get your comment ignored.}}
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|q=Q9<nowiki>:</nowiki> This article needs much more (or much less) criticism/controversy.
|a='''A9''': Please try to [[WP:AGF|assume good faith]]. Like all articles on Wikipedia, this article is a work in progress so it is possible for biases to exist at any point in time. If you see a bias that you wish to address, you are more than welcome to start a new discussion, or join in an existing discussion, but please be ready to provide sources to support your viewpoint and try to keep your comments [[WP:CIVIL|civil]]. Starting off your discussion by accusing the editors of this article of having a bias is the quickest way to get your comment ignored.}}
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<div class="boilerplate metadata" style="{{divstylegray}} padding:2px;"><center><b>Talk and article mechanics</b></center>
<div class="boilerplate metadata" style="{{divstylegray}} padding:2px;"><center><b>Talk and article mechanics</b></center>
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|q=Q9<nowiki>:</nowiki> This article is over 100kb long, [[WP:SIZE]] says that it should be broken up into sub-articles. Why hasn't this happened?
|q=Q10<nowiki>:</nowiki> This article is over 100kb long, [[WP:SIZE]] says that it should be broken up into sub-articles. Why hasn't this happened?
|a='''A9''': The restriction mentioned in [[WP:SIZE]] is 60kB of '''readable prose''', not the byte count you see when you open the page for editing. As of [[June 22]] [[2008]], this article had about 6500 words of readable prose (''37kB'' according to [[User talk:Dr pda/prosesize.js|prosesize tool]] or ''41kB'' according to [[wc (Unix)|wc]]), well within the guideline. The rest is mainly [[WP:CITE|citations]] and invisible comments, which do not count towards the limit.}}
|a='''A10''': The restriction mentioned in [[WP:SIZE]] is 60kB of '''readable prose''', not the byte count you see when you open the page for editing. As of [[June 22]] [[2008]], this article had about 6500 words of readable prose (''37kB'' according to [[User talk:Dr pda/prosesize.js|prosesize tool]] or ''41kB'' according to [[wc (Unix)|wc]]), well within the guideline. The rest is mainly [[WP:CITE|citations]] and invisible comments, which do not count towards the limit.}}
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|q=Q10<nowiki>:</nowiki> I notice this FAQ mentions starting discussions or joining in on existing discussions a lot. If Wikipedia is supposed to be the encyclopedia [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia#Wikipedia_contributors|anyone can edit]], shouldn't I just [[WP:BE BOLD|be bold]] and fix any biases that I see in the article?
|q=Q11<nowiki>:</nowiki> I notice this FAQ mentions starting discussions or joining in on existing discussions a lot. If Wikipedia is supposed to be the encyclopedia [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia#Wikipedia_contributors|anyone can edit]], shouldn't I just [[WP:BE BOLD|be bold]] and fix any biases that I see in the article?
|a='''A11''': It is true that Wikipedia is the encyclopedia that anyone can edit and no one needs the permission of other editors of this article to make changes to it. But Wikipedia policy is that, "While the consensus process does not require posting to the discussion page, it can be useful and is encouraged." This article attracts editors that have very strong opinions about Obama (positive and negative) and these editors have different opinions about what should and should not be in the article, including differences as to appropriate level of detail. As a result of this it may be helpful, as a way to avoid content disputes, to seek [[WP:CONSENSUS|consensus]] before adding contentious material to or removing it from the article.}}
|a='''A11''': It is true that Wikipedia is the encyclopedia that anyone can edit and no one needs the permission of other editors of this article to make changes to it. But Wikipedia policy is that, "While the consensus process does not require posting to the discussion page, it can be useful and is encouraged." This article attracts editors that have very strong opinions about Obama (positive and negative) and these editors have different opinions about what should and should not be in the article, including differences as to appropriate level of detail. As a result of this it may be helpful, as a way to avoid content disputes, to seek [[WP:CONSENSUS|consensus]] before adding contentious material to or removing it from the article.}}
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|q=Q11<nowiki>:</nowiki> The article/talk page has been vandalized! Why hasn't anyone fixed this?
|q=Q12<nowiki>:</nowiki> The article/talk page has been vandalized! Why hasn't anyone fixed this?
|a='''A11''': Many editors watch this article, and it is unlikely that vandalism would remain unnoticed for long. It is possible that you are viewing a cached result of the article; If so, try [[WP:BYPASS|bypassing your cache]].}}
|a='''A12''': Many editors watch this article, and it is unlikely that vandalism would remain unnoticed for long. It is possible that you are viewing a cached result of the article; If so, try [[WP:BYPASS|bypassing your cache]].}}
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<div class="boilerplate metadata" style="{{divstylegray}} padding:2px;"><center><b>Disruption</b></center>
<div class="boilerplate metadata" style="{{divstylegray}} padding:2px;"><center><b>Disruption</b></center>
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|q=Q12<nowiki>:</nowiki> Why are so many discussions closed so quickly?
|q=Q13<nowiki>:</nowiki> Why are so many discussions closed so quickly?
|a='''A12''': Swift closure is common for topics that have already been discussed repeatedly, topics pushing [[Wikipedia:Fringe theories|fringe theories]], and/or topics that would lead to violations of Wikipedia's policy concerning [[Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons|biographies of living persons]], because of their [[Wikipedia:Disruptive editing|disruptive]] nature and the unlikelihood that [[Wikipedia:Consensus|consensus]] to include the material will arise from the new discussion. In those cases, editors are encouraged to read this FAQ for examples of such common topics.}}
|a='''A13''': Swift closure is common for topics that have already been discussed repeatedly, topics pushing [[Wikipedia:Fringe theories|fringe theories]], and/or topics that would lead to violations of Wikipedia's policy concerning [[Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons|biographies of living persons]], because of their [[Wikipedia:Disruptive editing|disruptive]] nature and the unlikelihood that [[Wikipedia:Consensus|consensus]] to include the material will arise from the new discussion. In those cases, editors are encouraged to read this FAQ for examples of such common topics.}}
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|q=Q13<nowiki>:</nowiki> I added new content to the article, but it was removed!
|q=Q14<nowiki>:</nowiki> I added new content to the article, but it was removed!
|a='''A13''': Double-check that your content addition is not sourced to an opinion blog, editorial, or non-mainstream news source. Wikipedia's policy on [[Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons|biographies of living persons]] states, in part, "Material about living persons must be sourced very carefully. Without reliable third-party sources, it may include [[Wikipedia:No original research|original research]] and [[Wikipedia:Verifiability|unverifiable]] statements, and could lead to [[Wikipedia:Libel|libel]] claims." Sources of information must be of a very high quality for biographies. While this does not result in an outright ban of all blogs and opinion pieces, most of them are regarded as [[Wikipedia:V#Questionable_sources|questionable]]. Inflammatory or potentially libelous content cited to a questionable source will be removed immediately without discussion.}}
|a='''A14''': Double-check that your content addition is not sourced to an opinion blog, editorial, or non-mainstream news source. Wikipedia's policy on [[Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons|biographies of living persons]] states, in part, "Material about living persons must be sourced very carefully. Without reliable third-party sources, it may include [[Wikipedia:No original research|original research]] and [[Wikipedia:Verifiability|unverifiable]] statements, and could lead to [[Wikipedia:Libel|libel]] claims." Sources of information must be of a very high quality for biographies. While this does not result in an outright ban of all blogs and opinion pieces, most of them are regarded as [[Wikipedia:V#Questionable_sources|questionable]]. Inflammatory or potentially libelous content cited to a questionable source will be removed immediately without discussion.}}
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|q=Q14<nowiki>:</nowiki> I disagree with the policies and content guidelines that prevent my proposed content from being added to the article.
|q=Q15<nowiki>:</nowiki> I disagree with the policies and content guidelines that prevent my proposed content from being added to the article.
|a='''A14''': That's understandable. Wikipedia is a work in progress. If you do not approve of a policy cited in the removal of content, it's possible to change it. Making cogent, logical arguments on the policy's [[Wikipedia:Talk page|talk page]] is likely to result in a positive alteration. This is highly encouraged. However, this talk page is not the appropriate place to dispute the wording used in policies and guidelines, and attempts to do so are regarded as [[Wikipedia:Disruptive editing|disruptive]]. If you disagree with the ''interpretation'' of a policy or guideline, there is also recourse: [[Wikipedia:Dispute resolution|Dispute resolution]]. Using the dispute resolution process prevents edit wars, and is encouraged.}}
|a='''A15''': That's understandable. Wikipedia is a work in progress. If you do not approve of a policy cited in the removal of content, it's possible to change it. Making cogent, logical arguments on the policy's [[Wikipedia:Talk page|talk page]] is likely to result in a positive alteration. This is highly encouraged. However, this talk page is not the appropriate place to dispute the wording used in policies and guidelines, and attempts to do so are regarded as [[Wikipedia:Disruptive editing|disruptive]]. If you disagree with the ''interpretation'' of a policy or guideline, there is also recourse: [[Wikipedia:Dispute resolution|Dispute resolution]]. Using the dispute resolution process prevents edit wars, and is encouraged.}}
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|q=Q15<nowiki>:</nowiki> I saw someone start a discussion on a topic raised by a blog/opinion piece, and it was reverted!
|q=Q16<nowiki>:</nowiki> I saw someone start a discussion on a topic raised by a blog/opinion piece, and it was reverted!
|a='''A15''': Unfortunately, due to its high profile, this talk page sees a lot of attempts to argue for policy- and guideline-violating content -- sometimes the same violations multiple times a day. These are regarded as disruptive, as outlined above. [[WP:CCC|Consensus can change]]; material previously determined to be unacceptable may become acceptable. But it becomes disruptive and exhausting when [[WP:SPA|single-purpose accounts]] raise the same subject(s) repeatedly in the apparent hopes of overcoming significant objections by other editors. Editors have reached a consensus for dealing with this behavior:
|a='''A16''': Unfortunately, due to its high profile, this talk page sees a lot of attempts to argue for policy- and guideline-violating content -- sometimes the same violations multiple times a day. These are regarded as disruptive, as outlined above. [[WP:CCC|Consensus can change]]; material previously determined to be unacceptable may become acceptable. But it becomes disruptive and exhausting when [[WP:SPA|single-purpose accounts]] raise the same subject(s) repeatedly in the apparent hopes of overcoming significant objections by other editors. Editors have reached a consensus for dealing with this behavior:
# Efforts by established [[WP:SPA|single-purpose accounts]] to introduce such poorly-sourced content will be summarily deleted.
# Efforts by established [[WP:SPA|single-purpose accounts]] to introduce such poorly-sourced content will be summarily deleted.
# On the second such attempt, the source in question will be immediately reported to [[WP:RSN|the reliable sources noticeboard]] for administrative assistance.
# On the second such attempt, the source in question will be immediately reported to [[WP:RSN|the reliable sources noticeboard]] for administrative assistance.
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|q=Q16<nowiki>:</nowiki> Why isn't the 2008 presidential campaign covered in more detail?
|q=Q17<nowiki>:</nowiki> Why isn't the 2008 presidential campaign covered in more detail?
|a='''A16''': It is, in a sub-article called [[Barack Obama presidential campaign, 2008]]. Things that are notable in the context of the presidential campaign, but are of minimal notability to Barack Obama's overall biography, belong in that sub-article. Campaign stops, the presidential debates, and the back-and-forth accusations and claims of the campaign can all be found there.}}
|a='''A17''': It is, in a sub-article called [[Barack Obama presidential campaign, 2008]]. Things that are notable in the context of the presidential campaign, but are of minimal notability to Barack Obama's overall biography, belong in that sub-article. Campaign stops, the presidential debates, and the back-and-forth accusations and claims of the campaign can all be found there.}}
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