Wikipedia talk:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Mattisse/Alerts

Typos and corrections needed

Per this edit, there is a typo (FAR) in the DYK section. Also, both this and the Monitoring page indicate that "Notifying YellowMonkey (or Art La Pella) was accepted by Arbcom as a monitoring method"; I have never seen any finding or indication or diff to back that up, and absent one, it should be removed. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 19:48, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

Also, a reminder that mentors should maintain the log here. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 19:51, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

Suggestions

Three issues as a result of me being the first guinea pig to use this page:

1. Can the pre-load be added directly to the section where alerts are posted? I missed it the first time through and had to re-do my submission.
2. Why is the Monitoring page gone, considering Motions 9 and 11? I suggest a return to the Monitoring page would have avoided the need for this alert.
3. Mattisse entered a diff to a discussion on Moni3's talk page that I had never seen before and was uninvolved in, and had nothing to do with this issue whatsoever. But as I recall, I'm not supposed to respond to responses on the alert page, to avoid escalating. So where would I enter that feedback?

Can the page be adjusted to reflect these issues? SandyGeorgia (Talk) 19:06, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

A fourth point. Silktork just entered a comment that needs my feedback. I'm not sure where I would add that? Can we get the page format corrrected? I'll wait, since this is the first use of this page. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 19:08, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Or am I intended to add responses to my original alert? I'm unclear on this, so will wait for feedback from y'all before adding anything else. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 19:15, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

G guy, the redirect that led to my confusion is here, in Motion 9; the User:Mattisse/Monitoring there is a redirect to this Alerts page (needs fixin' :) SandyGeorgia (Talk) 19:41, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

I will fix that. Concerning your other comments...

1. It was an oversight to leave in the section "Issues reported to mentors" (and its edit link) in place. Thanks for removing it: I have replaced it instead with another link to start a new section.
2. For the record, I think we are agreed that WP:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Mattisse/Monitoring exists. I hope arbitrators and clerks will not object to the links we added to the Case.
3. It is inappropriate for Mattisse to edit alerts, and I have removed her comment. The point is indeed to avoid escalation.
4. The natural place to comment on alerts is here on the alert talk page. I have separated your reassurances and concerns into a separate section.

I frequently advise Mattisse not to post in haste as this can create unnecessary problems and work. I extend this advice to all, including myself and other advisors. Let us comment with consideration and aim for mutual understanding. Geometry guy 20:18, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

OK, good; I'm glad this worked as a guinea pig incident for getting the kinks out. If any of us had known sooner that Mattisse was concerned about an FA drive and being excluded from that, while I was responding to Moni about developing a guideline, we might have avoided all of this. I hope we can view it as a guinea pig case for how the mentoring pages work, and move on, but I still think it would be helpful if any issues were moved to the Monitoring page in the future, instead of spreading across talk pages. Thanks for everything, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 20:23, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Comments on Monitoring Alert

In the meantime, if it will help calm Mattisse, I was completely unaware of any potential FA drive, and my "congratulations" on Moni3's talk page were specifically about her return to editing (following some earlier comments and a semi-break she had taken) via a new niche of carving out a guideline for similar articles, and were unrelated to any potential FA drive. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 19:20, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Another reason I think it important to use the Monitoring page is that Mattisse has repeatedly asked, and repeatedly been supplied with, a link to the 36-hour ban, but still says she can't find it. Registering such info on a Monitoring page might be easier for all involved. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 19:57, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

I was concerned about the "lead editor" and ownership issues, as expressed in Moni3's response to your comment on her page congratulating her on the article, as she tried to clarify to you Sandy. I should make it clear that the article is not in the shape it is because of me. There are a score of editors who deserve barnstars for what they have done. Regards, —mattisse (Talk) 20:39, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Since we appeared to have been talking past each other (you seem to have been talking about/thinking about the article, while I was talking about Moni3's return to editing, taking a lead on that article after somewhat of a break, and taking the lead in starting a guideline for similar articles), I hope that you are reassured by Moni's response, where she clearly gives credit where credit is due. I now see that you may have been concerned that you were being excluded from any potential drive in spite of your contributions, but this was never the case, and if you had expressed that concern more clearly, we might have all gotten on the same page sooner. The first time I saw Ceranthor's diff was when you posted it here. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 20:43, 18 January 2010 (UTC)