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Gina Stewart Page Edits

Thank you for your edits Gina and I appreciate the assistance. However, we would like to know what you suggest with respect to citations that are acceptable? Unfortunately, Wikipedia seems to take issue with tabloid citations and the vast majority of Gina's are from such sources. Furthermore, the latest image that I uploaded was deleted...again. With the incorrect reason that it was a copyright violation and was taken from Instagram, neither of which is true. How do I convince you that the image is both authorized content and an unpublished original image created by me? Also, I am very curious why her official Instagram account link is allowed, but the links I put in for her official Facebook page and official Twitter were deleted?Angusrobbie (talk) 16:35, 10 June 2019 (UTC)Angus Robbie

Heya, good to hear from you. First of all, I'm afraid I have to tell you that if you're editing on behalf of Ms Stewart, that's a conflict of interest that has to be declared at a minimum and that should preferably cause you to step back and not edit the article any more. Neutrality is one of the Five Pillars of Wikipedia, and it's extremely difficult to be dispassionate in writing about a friend; and paid editing is flat-out forbidden under the WMF's terms of service. See WP:COI.

That said, I came to the article after seeing an edit by Drmies that piqued my interest, was appalled by the sourcing, especially given that this is an article about a living person—you're correct, use of tabloids is deprecated, especially the UK "redtops" such as The Sun (see WP:RS), and although the Daily Mail is not the worst of these in most respects, its use is specifically forbidden, especially in biographies of living people—but I did find extensive coverage, so I decided to see whether I could save the article by referencing it adequately. If someone were to nominate it for deletion now, I can't promise it would be kept, but I would vote keep. However, there is a big problem insofar as her fame is largely built on Daily Mail coverage. You've been able to find some more acceptable sources, although I found the New Zealand Herald, which I think is the best of the lot so far; are there any others you can find for us to plug in to offset the marginal stuff? (Note that an article published by, say, Fox News saying it originally appeared in The Sun is a Sun article and can't be used. Daily Mail articles get republished all over the world, but we still can't use em.)

In terms of the image, read the Commons rules you have been linked to over there. Commons is not Wikipedia, and only hosts images that are free for anyone to reuse in any way, including commercially. To upload a photo there, you either have to have physically clicked the shutter, or be able to establish the image is out of copyright, usually by reason of age, or the rights owner (again, this is almost always the photographer) needs to e-mail Commons OTRS explicitly donating the image in perpetuity. There's no provision for allowing Commons to host the image but limiting its use. If you upload to English Wikipedia itself there's more wiggle room ("fair use", but much more limited than in academia), but there are still rules, one of which is that photos of living people have to be taken personally by the uploader and donated exactly as at Commons, because, unlike images of dead people and, say, film posters or album covers, they are not impossible to replace with a new, free photo: someone could always photograph the person in some public place. See Wikipedia:Copyrights for an overview and links to a help page regarding images and other media files.

The External links question has the shortest answer: as my edit summary stated, we give one official URL, not all of them. If she had an official website of her own, that would be best. Or is there a modelling agency page we could use? Failing either, since her Instagram was in the news (and since non-Facebookers like me can essentially see bupkis of someone's Facebook page), I went with the Instagram.

Damn, I wrote a lot, I'm sorry. I hope at least some of it helps. I see that you've been around for a while but I've still taken the liberty of linking to info pages so you can read up on the official wording if you wish, rather than relying on my summary. I've also pinged Drmies, who is an admin and therefore more up on the rules than I am, and who recently looked at the article. Yngvadottir (talk) 17:41, 10 June 2019 (UTC)

Discussion of link language wrapper templates (June 2019)

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