Talk:Belial

The definition of Belial

I notice that the only consistency in the translations of the word Belial, are "without". Now, in the article the translations of scholars are listed, but they cannot agree. Therefore I think that the definition of Belial should be considered simply "wihtout", and the supply a list of what it may be without. There is no common agreement by scholars except "wihtout", therefore by the principles of academia that should be the definition.

I think either the Hebrew spelling or the English transliteration of the Hebrew spelling must be incorrect. The Hebrew word listed appears to have a samekh (ס) in it. Samekh makes an "s" sound. -- Mwalcoff 23:45, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

questionable material

I have removed this because I think it is not true.

is the name for a demon in the Old Testament. He has been identified with Satan, both as a minion of Satan and sometimes as another name for Satan himself. Among certain Jewish sects, this demon was considered the chief of all the devils. He is also called "the angel of lawlessness" and "the king of this world", and is sometimes considered the father of idolatrous nations and the source of the seven spirits of seduction that enter men at birth, the source of impurity and lying, and the spirit of darkness.

I think calling someone a son of belial is no more a litteral phrase in Hebrew than calling someone a son of a bitch in English. That the phrase son of a bitch abounds does not mean English speakers beleave in a she-demon named bitch that is the source of evil. Further, I think that the views expressed here have their source in II Corinthians and express a specifically Christian point of view. It is wrong to ascribe to Jews the beliefs of Christians.

If someone thinks I am wrong - i.e. that the above passage is right, then I ask simply that they cite sources. What is the first text or commentary that explicitly identifies Belial as a demon? What is the first text or commantary to identify Belial with Satan? Or as the angel of lawlessness? Or as king of this world? Or as the father of idolotrous nations? Or as the source of the seven spirits of seduction? If any of these claims are true by all means put them back in but comply withour NPOV and NOR policy and provide sources and context - who made these claims, and when, and where? Slrubenstein | Talk 12:41, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Unclear

Belial is referred to as Satan when asked by St. Paul as to how Christ and Belial can agree.

This sentence doesn't make sense. It lacks a subject: Who referred to Belial as Satan?

Trivia section

The Trivia section in this article keeps getting updated and then reverted back. The problem is, the stuff that's in there right now is not really important at all. For example, Billy Liar article doesn't even mention the fact listed here in trivia. While in Angel Sanctuary Belial is a very important character and that stuff got deleted.--Ti-Ana 15:26, 17 January 2007 (UTC)