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If IMDB isn't reliable, explain why every actor page has a link to it

Look, Bruce Beatty is an actor who has been in major motion picture films and TV shows. He should have a page. Stop treating me like a vandal,. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.86.46.50 (talk) 00:17, 17 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

https://www.amazon.com/prime-video/actor/Bruce-Beatty/nm0064193/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.86.46.50 (talk) 00:22, 17 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I don't care how notable he is, if you can't find any reliable secondary sources then the article will never get past a start-class and there's little point making it. Yes, every actor has a link to IMDb. But IMDb is used as an external link, not as a citation, because citations contribute information to the article (and so we only use reliable sources to avoid introducing incorrect information), while external links leave the interpretation of the material in the site up to the user. Also, that Amazon link isn't very helpful: it's just a (not necessarily comprehensive) list of movies the guy has been in. Amazon is infamous for leaving out significant movies in its lists. Besides, where would you find a citation for something like his life outside of movies? I can't find any. I understand that you believe that famous = article, but there are many other factors that determine if something should have an article. I also suggest reading WP:WHYN, because here we define notability a little different than just being famous. Also, please sign your posts. TL | The Legend ^talk 00:51, 20 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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	:I don't care how notable he is, if you can't find any reliable secondary sources then the article will never get past a start-class and there's little point making it. Yes, every actor has a link to IMDb. But IMDb is used as an ''[[WP:EL\|external link]]'', not as a citation, because citations contribute information to the article (and so we only use reliable sources to avoid introducing incorrect information), while external links leave the interpretation of the material in the site up to the user. Also, that Amazon link isn't very helpful: it's just a (not necessarily comprehensive) list of movies the guy has been in. Amazon is infamous for leaving out significant movies in its lists. Besides, where would you find a citation for something like his life outside of movies? I can't find any. I understand that you believe that famous = article, but there are many [[WP:V\|other factors]] that determine if something should have an article. I also suggest reading [[WP:WHYN]], because here we define notability a little different than just being famous. Also, please [[WP:SIG\|sign your posts]]. [[User:TL The Legend\|<span style="color:#87CEEB; font-weight:bold; font-family:monotype;">TL </span>\| <span style="color:#1E90FF; font-weight:bold;">The Legend</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:TL The Legend\|<span style="color:#009933;">talk</span>]]</sup> 00:51, 20 February 2022 (UTC)		:I don't care how notable he is, if you can't find any reliable secondary sources then the article will never get past a start-class and there's little point making it. Yes, every actor has a link to IMDb. But IMDb is used as an ''[[WP:EL\|external link]]'', not as a citation, because citations contribute information to the article (and so we only use reliable sources to avoid introducing incorrect information), while external links leave the interpretation of the material in the site up to the user. Also, that Amazon link isn't very helpful: it's just a (not necessarily comprehensive) list of movies the guy has been in. Amazon is infamous for leaving out significant movies in its lists. Besides, where would you find a citation for something like his life outside of movies? I can't find any. I understand that you believe that famous = article, but there are many [[WP:N\|other factors]] that determine if something should have an article. I also suggest reading [[WP:WHYN]], because here we define notability a little different than just being famous. Also, please [[WP:SIG\|sign your posts]]. [[User:TL The Legend\|<span style="color:#87CEEB; font-weight:bold; font-family:monotype;">TL </span>\| <span style="color:#1E90FF; font-weight:bold;">The Legend</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:TL The Legend\|<span style="color:#009933;">talk</span>]]</sup> 00:51, 20 February 2022 (UTC)