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Please don't give up just yet. Give me some time and I'll make a proposal to help you. You can choose to accept or not. I think you deserve that opportunity and I'm willing to help you. --[[User:ARoseWolf|<span style="color:#b76e79">'''A'''</span><span style="color:#be4f60">'''Rose'''</span>]][[User talk:ARoseWolf|<span style="color:#b87333">'''Wolf'''</span>]] 17:22, 18 October 2022 (UTC) |
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:Please help me. I really like using Wikipedia and I would hate to get blocked. [[User:thedefender35|''Td'']][[User talk:thedefender35|<sup style="color:DeepSkyBlue">she</sup>]][[special:contributions/thedefender35|<sup style="color:Magenta">/her</sup>]] 17:26, 18 October 2022 (UTC) |
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:: I'm going to to try since you are willing. Let me put something together and I'll let you know. Then you can either accept or deny. Stay away from the Teahouse or Help Desk though, okay? --[[User:ARoseWolf|<span style="color:#b76e79">'''A'''</span><span style="color:#be4f60">'''Rose'''</span>]][[User talk:ARoseWolf|<span style="color:#b87333">'''Wolf'''</span>]] 17:28, 18 October 2022 (UTC) |
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:::so far I've made a request for a tban from the help desk and teahouse on [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents]][[User:thedefender35|''Td'']][[User talk:thedefender35|<sup style="color:DeepSkyBlue">she</sup>]][[special:contributions/thedefender35|<sup style="color:Magenta">/her</sup>]] 17:29, 18 October 2022 (UTC) |
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:::: I was hoping to avoid that as a blemish but we can work within the ban. --[[User:ARoseWolf|<span style="color:#b76e79">'''A'''</span><span style="color:#be4f60">'''Rose'''</span>]][[User talk:ARoseWolf|<span style="color:#b87333">'''Wolf'''</span>]] 18:20, 18 October 2022 (UTC) |
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:::::what we did was ban me answering question but allows me to ask questions [[User:thedefender35|''Td'']][[User talk:thedefender35|<sup style="color:DeepSkyBlue">she</sup>]][[special:contributions/thedefender35|<sup style="color:Magenta">/her</sup>]] 18:21, 18 October 2022 (UTC) |
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::::::[[Wikipedia:Editing restrictions/Voluntary]] [[User:thedefender35|''Td'']][[User talk:thedefender35|<sup style="color:DeepSkyBlue">she</sup>]][[special:contributions/thedefender35|<sup style="color:Magenta">/her</sup>]] 18:23, 18 October 2022 (UTC) |
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::::::: That's fine. With your permission I would like to claim you as a mentee. If you have any questions about what it means you can check out [[WP: Growth Team features]]. You can always remove me or aske to be removed and I will comply. After I have claimed you then you can go to your Preferences and activate [[Special:Homepage|your Homepage]] under the '''Newcomer editor features'''. --[[User:ARoseWolf|<span style="color:#b76e79">'''A'''</span><span style="color:#be4f60">'''Rose'''</span>]][[User talk:ARoseWolf|<span style="color:#b87333">'''Wolf'''</span>]] 18:38, 18 October 2022 (UTC) |
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:::::::: We'll start with looking over that page and getting familiar with each function. --[[User:ARoseWolf|<span style="color:#b76e79">'''A'''</span><span style="color:#be4f60">'''Rose'''</span>]][[User talk:ARoseWolf|<span style="color:#b87333">'''Wolf'''</span>]] 18:39, 18 October 2022 (UTC) |
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::::::::I am ok with being your mentee thank you for giving me this chance.[[User:thedefender35|''Td'']][[User talk:thedefender35|<sup style="color:DeepSkyBlue">she</sup>]][[special:contributions/thedefender35|<sup style="color:Magenta">/her</sup>]] 18:39, 18 October 2022 (UTC) |
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::::::::: Of course. I'd rather give you the chance. I believe you will be such a positive for the encyclopedia and an amazing editor. We'll just get you started and growing in the right direction. --[[User:ARoseWolf|<span style="color:#b76e79">'''A'''</span><span style="color:#be4f60">'''Rose'''</span>]][[User talk:ARoseWolf|<span style="color:#b87333">'''Wolf'''</span>]] 18:50, 18 October 2022 (UTC) |
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:::::::::: Okay, I've claimed you as a mentee so now when you go to the homepage you should see me as your mentor. You can ask me questions directly from your homepage. --[[User:ARoseWolf|<span style="color:#b76e79">'''A'''</span><span style="color:#be4f60">'''Rose'''</span>]][[User talk:ARoseWolf|<span style="color:#b87333">'''Wolf'''</span>]] 18:53, 18 October 2022 (UTC) |
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:::::::::::got it, Thanks for the help.[[User:thedefender35|''Td'']][[User talk:thedefender35|<sup style="color:DeepSkyBlue">she</sup>]][[special:contributions/thedefender35|<sup style="color:Magenta">/her</sup>]] 18:55, 18 October 2022 (UTC) |
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{{od}} There is a box labeled '''"Suggested edits"''' on your homepage. This will be the primary way you will make small but meaningful edits for a while. There are three options. Easy - Recommended for when you are first learning to edit. These are primarily copy edits such as fixing grammar, spelling and tone within an article. Medium - After you have completed some easy edits. These will be edits such as finding and adding sources for existing articles or bringing the information in an article up-to-date. Hard - When you have learned about Wikipedia best practices. Expanding short articles and creating articles. --[[User:ARoseWolf|<span style="color:#b76e79">'''A'''</span><span style="color:#be4f60">'''Rose'''</span>]][[User talk:ARoseWolf|<span style="color:#b87333">'''Wolf'''</span>]] 19:16, 18 October 2022 (UTC) |
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: Good morning (early morning for me), please make sure that your setting is for easy edits. We'll move on to medium and hard edits later on. You will be given suggested articles to review for these specific issues. Pick the first one and look over the article to see if there are any grammatical, spelling or tone issues. If there are obvious edits needing to be made then make them yourself and make sure to leave an edit summary to notify everyone you have made copyedits. If you need help or have any questions about an edit please let me know and I'll assist you. You may go several suggestions without finding any issues. It's okay, keep looking. --[[User:ARoseWolf|<span style="color:#b76e79">'''A'''</span><span style="color:#be4f60">'''Rose'''</span>]][[User talk:ARoseWolf|<span style="color:#b87333">'''Wolf'''</span>]] 14:58, 19 October 2022 (UTC) |
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:: You are most definitely not useless. You are beautiful. You are a Song. You are a Rainbow of colors and you are going to get through this. You can learn and you will be successful. Keep trying! --[[User:ARoseWolf|<span style="color:#b76e79">'''A'''</span><span style="color:#be4f60">'''Rose'''</span>]][[User talk:ARoseWolf|<span style="color:#b87333">'''Wolf'''</span>]] 18:43, 19 October 2022 (UTC) |
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:::Hi @[[User:ARoseWolf|ARoseWolf]], just a note that [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AAdministrators%27_noticeboard%2FIncidents&type=revision&diff=1117267507&oldid=1117267337 I've suggested] @[[User:Thedefender35|Thedefender35]] come to you for some assistance as I think they mean well but are out of their depth at ANI. <span style="font-family:Calibri; font-weight:bold;">[[User:Star Mississippi|<span style="color:#a117f2;">Star</span>]] [[User talk:Star Mississippi|<span style="color:#df00fe;">Mississippi</span>]]</span> 20:36, 20 October 2022 (UTC) |
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:::: Thank you, {{u|Star Mississippi}}. @Thedefender35, AN/I is an administrative noticeboard. While it is true that any editor can leave a comment and in most cases it is even encouraged that experienced editors and the community give their opinion, it is just as important that comments remain policy based there as it is on the Teahouse and the Help Desk. I am trying to work with you and we will get into policy and guidelines but I need you to prove to me that this won't be a waste of time and efforts. You can be the most well intentioned editor and be 100% against policy. You can be acting in the best of faith and still be disruptive. Please consider this and stay away from those discussions for now. Focus on making small edits. Show me you can do this and we'll move to studying some policies and guidelines. I need your commitment to this effort. --[[User:ARoseWolf|<span style="color:#b76e79">'''A'''</span><span style="color:#be4f60">'''Rose'''</span>]][[User talk:ARoseWolf|<span style="color:#b87333">'''Wolf'''</span>]] 13:43, 21 October 2022 (UTC) |
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:::::@[[User:ARoseWolf|ARoseWolf]] I was told by [[User:Star Mississippi]] that statements like "Possible copyvio..." with no reason for setting up an afd were [[Wikipedia:Good faith]] despite several other editors calling [[User:The Banner]] out for not attempting to give any viable reason. I also find it weird that [[User:Star Mississippi]] was also involved in those votes that went 1-0 and they have also refused to give a reason for why they didn't notice this despite being directly involved. I seriously don't understand what I'm missing in this situation as they deleted on of the top 5 football teams and got a user banned because they were in distress. [[User:thedefender35|''Td'']][[User talk:thedefender35|<sup style="color:DeepSkyBlue">she</sup>]][[special:contributions/thedefender35|<sup style="color:Magenta">/her</sup>]] 16:48, 21 October 2022 (UTC) |
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::::::@[[User:Thedefender35|Thedefender35]] I never said one way or the other whether the nominations were in good faith, I think you have me mixed up with another editor. I was not involved with the votes beyond my closing of the AfDs, which is at [[Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Log/2022_October_19#1994–95_season_articles]], the proper venue to review closures about which there is concern. If you believe I should be blocked, make a case for it here and I'm sure an uninvolved editor would bring it to AN. I don't think you'll find support for it, just as you didn't in the thread. I will note that I did not {{tq|got a user banned}}. The user in question decided to call our actions racist and when advised to stop, they were blocked. I did not block them, although I did suggest TP be removed and suggested a partial block from DRV. I would not have blocked myself as you're correct, I am involved. As I said, you're editing in good faith but I don't think you understand the way this project works, which is why you're in over your head. <span style="font-family:Calibri; font-weight:bold;">[[User:Star Mississippi|<span style="color:#a117f2;">Star</span>]] [[User talk:Star Mississippi|<span style="color:#df00fe;">Mississippi</span>]]</span> 17:10, 21 October 2022 (UTC) |
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:::::::sorry I got you mixed with [[User:Sergecross73]] who said "You want to block an AFD participant for a good faith AFD !vote with no past pattern of disruptive AFD participation? That's insane. This is an awful approach." [[User:thedefender35|''Td'']][[User talk:thedefender35|<sup style="color:DeepSkyBlue">she</sup>]][[special:contributions/thedefender35|<sup style="color:Magenta">/her</sup>]] 17:13, 21 October 2022 (UTC) |
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::::::::the "block" he is talking about was a 24hr block from afds so that banner could look over what he did wrong. [[User:thedefender35|''Td'']][[User talk:thedefender35|<sup style="color:DeepSkyBlue">she</sup>]][[special:contributions/thedefender35|<sup style="color:Magenta">/her</sup>]] 17:14, 21 October 2022 (UTC) |
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:::::::::that was supported by several editors. "Agreed with Jayron and Ravenswing, repeated untenable nominations are bad enough, but AfDing so many that are ''obviously notable'' is beyond disruptive." as per [[User:JoelleJay]]. "Actually, you have quite a mediocre record at AfD. AfD tools report that in the last thousand nominations you've filed, the eventual result matches yours just 57% of the time, which is not much better than random chance. |
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:::::::::But we are not talking about AfDs you filed five years ago -- although given your recent behavior, a closer examination of your record is appropriate. We're talking the AfDs you filed against articles on highly notable subjects that HugoAcosta created, where you demonstrably did not perform [[WP:BEFORE]], where you levied unsupported and likely unfounded accusations of copyright violations at him. Do you have an explanation for ''those''?" as per [[User:Ravenswing]]. "Another vote for temporarily banning [[User:The Banner]] from AFDs and further punishment if he continues, the AFDs he's just put up are are at best ridiculous, and at worst incendiary." as per [[User:Ortizesp]] [[User:thedefender35|''Td'']][[User talk:thedefender35|<sup style="color:DeepSkyBlue">she</sup>]][[special:contributions/thedefender35|<sup style="color:Magenta">/her</sup>]] 17:16, 21 October 2022 (UTC) |
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::::::::::i would fully understand concern if I was the only user implying he broke protocol but I am most definitely not. If this is out of line for me to state my support for something I didn't even come up with then what that constitute for the user who made the suggestion? [[User:thedefender35|''Td'']][[User talk:thedefender35|<sup style="color:DeepSkyBlue">she</sup>]][[special:contributions/thedefender35|<sup style="color:Magenta">/her</sup>]] 17:18, 21 October 2022 (UTC) |
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:::::::::::@[[User:Star Mississippi|Star Mississippi]] if you need more quotes for the proposed out of line afds let me know. [[User:thedefender35|''Td'']][[User talk:thedefender35|<sup style="color:DeepSkyBlue">she</sup>]][[special:contributions/thedefender35|<sup style="color:Magenta">/her</sup>]] 17:19, 21 October 2022 (UTC) |
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::::::::::::{{tpw}} right or wrong, often there's a point where it's best to walk away from a situation. On AN/I, doubly so. — [[User:TheresNoTime|TheresNoTime]] ([[User talk:TheresNoTime|talk]] • they/them) 17:23, 21 October 2022 (UTC) |
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::::::::::::Thanks for clarifying. A discussion is moving forward as to whether The Banner should be sanctioned. There isn't anything you need to do. <span style="font-family:Calibri; font-weight:bold;">[[User:Star Mississippi|<span style="color:#a117f2;">Star</span>]] [[User talk:Star Mississippi|<span style="color:#df00fe;">Mississippi</span>]]</span> 17:23, 21 October 2022 (UTC) |
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* To answer your initial concerns: "Possible copyvio" can definitely be Good Faith, as can setting up an AfD, as can answering questions at the Teahouse and commenting at AN/I. Lot's of things can be good faith but what makes them relevant to Wikipedia is whether they are policy based or not. After reading the AN/I case I do believe The Banner made some critical errors. There does appear to be AfD's where notable subjects were proposed for deletion and some may have even been deleted. As terrible as that may be, articles can be rewritten or their deletion reversed though proper discussion at the proper venue. Wikipedia has a process for those things and experienced editors and admins will review. That being said, though your position may be "in the right" that doesn't mean that your comments weren't disruptive. @HugoAcosta9 was not blocked because of his race. He was not blocked because of his opposition to those articles being nominated for AfD with some being deleted. He wasn't blocked because he was frustrated. He was blocked, not banned, because of his repeated personal attacks against others and that alone. He was disruptive. @TheBanner's behavior will be and is being reviewed and commented on. We have very experienced editors and admins there discussing it. Let them handle it. You need to be focused on learning how to edit and learning policy/guidelines by reading. Less focus on others and more focus on what you can do to improve the encyclopedia. That's the only way this is going to work and the only way to avoid being banned or blocked yourself. Once you gain a good understanding of policy/guidelines then you can go back to these discussion pages if you wish to. Please heed my words. I am cautioning you to stay away from these discussion boards. --[[User:ARoseWolf|<span style="color:#b76e79">'''A'''</span><span style="color:#be4f60">'''Rose'''</span>]][[User talk:ARoseWolf|<span style="color:#b87333">'''Wolf'''</span>]] 17:26, 21 October 2022 (UTC) |
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*:@[[User:ARoseWolf|ARoseWolf]] all of my comments were made a day or so after Hugo got blocked and I am in no way saying he was in the right. What Hugo did was extremely out of line. I watched the situation unfold and looked at the links provided several times. Only after another user stated that banner was out of line did I comment on the situation(saying that I supported a short block) I was more then happy to leave it at that. but [[User:Sergecross73]] decided to say I was implying that a full block was fair as seen above.[[User:thedefender35|''Td'']][[User talk:thedefender35|<sup style="color:DeepSkyBlue">she</sup>]][[special:contributions/thedefender35|<sup style="color:Magenta">/her</sup>]] 17:31, 21 October 2022 (UTC) |
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*::I'm more the happy to step away as long as it doesn't go down saying i was trying to be harsh on banner for a mistake. I even said he is human and we make mistakes and only asked for an apology/reason. [[User:thedefender35|''Td'']][[User talk:thedefender35|<sup style="color:DeepSkyBlue">she</sup>]][[special:contributions/thedefender35|<sup style="color:Magenta">/her</sup>]] 17:32, 21 October 2022 (UTC) |
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:::: @Sergecross was not commenting about your proposal for @TheBanner. They were commenting about your proposed ban for "all involved admins". Granted, you thought @TheBanner was an admin, a separate issue altogether but one newer editors make often, but to block anyone that !votes or comments on an AfD because they make a mistake is not the way this encyclopedia works. Nor should we be blocking closers for 24 hours because their close was challenged. That's not a path we want to go down. Expressing your position is not the issue here. No one is saying you shouldn't be able to. What we are saying is that you aren't ready from a policy/guideline position to propose sanctions on anyone. I'm imploring you to stay away from the noticeboards because that is a very tricky place for new editors. It can be a quagmire similar to answering questions on the Teahouse or involving yourself in highly contentious article discussions. My goal is to have you focused on making edits to articles first and then slowly transitioning you to reading and discussing policies with me here so myself and other experienced editors can answer your questions here on your talk page so that we can make sure you have a good understanding of policy and guidelines. If you decide that's not what you want then I won't waste mine or your time further and my part in this will end here. I am giving you the opportunity to learn and grow in a relatively protected environment before with me here but that means you need to avoid the areas I mentioned at all costs, unless you are the subject of the discussion. I leave that up to you but I need to know if you are committed to this with me or not. --[[User:ARoseWolf|<span style="color:#b76e79">'''A'''</span><span style="color:#be4f60">'''Rose'''</span>]][[User talk:ARoseWolf|<span style="color:#b87333">'''Wolf'''</span>]] 18:01, 21 October 2022 (UTC) |
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:::::you're completely right I'm sorry @[[User:Star Mississippi|Star Mississippi]] I'll stay away until I understand the policy's more effectively. [[User:thedefender35|''Td'']][[User talk:thedefender35|<sup style="color:DeepSkyBlue">she</sup>]][[special:contributions/thedefender35|<sup style="color:Magenta">/her</sup>]] 18:35, 21 October 2022 (UTC) |
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:::::: Thank you. Now, if you would like, we can go back to what we were doing. I think it would be good for you to make some simple edits to an article or articles. --[[User:ARoseWolf|<span style="color:#b76e79">'''A'''</span><span style="color:#be4f60">'''Rose'''</span>]][[User talk:ARoseWolf|<span style="color:#b87333">'''Wolf'''</span>]] 13:47, 24 October 2022 (UTC) |
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::::::: I'm releasing you from my mentorship. You seem adamant to involve yourself in controversial discussions even reporting the wrong editor for 3RR. I have told you that you aren't ready to make such determinations, yet you wish to follow your own path and won't adhere to strict guidance. I know my path requires patience and seems methodical, even boring, but, as a courtesy to you, I wanted to make an attempt at it. I am sure you will point to some edits you have made recently that appear constructive (rescuing sources) and even some speedy deletion requests that passed as a sign you don't need guidance, however, the misguided report, the AN/I discussions, the Teahouse answers and an unwillingness to slow down and learn the policies behind the actions are concerning. Nevertheless, you do not seem willing to refrain from editing in these areas so I will leave you to it. I wish you good fortunes. --[[User:ARoseWolf|<span style="color:#b76e79">'''A'''</span><span style="color:#be4f60">'''Rose'''</span>]][[User talk:ARoseWolf|<span style="color:#b87333">'''Wolf'''</span>]] 17:57, 27 October 2022 (UTC) |
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== Speedy deletion contested: [[:Valve Records]] == |
== Speedy deletion contested: [[:Valve Records]] == |
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Revision as of 18:25, 27 October 2022
Speedy deletion contested: Valve Records
Hello Thedefender35. I am just letting you know that I contested the speedy deletion of Valve Records, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: The article makes a credible assertion of importance or significance, sufficient to pass A7. Thank you. BangJan1999 15:54, 24 October 2022 (UTC)
- @BangJan1999 understood thanks for the feedback!Tdshe/her 16:30, 24 October 2022 (UTC)