Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Paxomen/In the Heavyskies

User:Paxomen/In the Heavyskies

Not encyclopedic. Speedy-deletion candidate userfied in November and untouched since then.WP is not a permanent free webhost/MySpace substitute or permanent home for not-ready-for-primetime articles. Calton | Talk 06:27, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Re: Calton, I have already told you before you nominated this for deletion, that I will get around to working more on this, please accept what I have said and Assume good faith. Right now I have other priorites like fixing the citing for articles in urgent need of citing, and for example in the next few days, an article which I got featured is going to be on the front page. If you check my contributions over the last 12 months I have drafted many articles and then put them on Wikipedia, or, if more appropiate at the time of article completion, on a Buffy wiki. We should encourage people to make significant contributions, since the vast majority of editors only make regular small edits. So we should enmcourage more major contributions even if that involves using a small amount of userspace to draft articles over time. I'm not sure it is a good idea to waste the time of editors by nominating what are clearly article drafts in userspace for deletion. And to be honest, it is things like this that put many perople off spending much time editing Wikipedia. I can certainly say that this effort to delete my article draft after I have already said to the nominator I will get around to working on it helps to encouarage me to spend less time trying to make this encyclopedia better, and more time in real life. -- Paxomen 13:34, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

• Oppose deletion This ed. is a major contributor to the Buffy pages and should be allowed all the time necessary. It is not a unrelated posting, but relevant to the editor's work on WP, and is not harmful in ins present position. The eds. use of userspace is in conformity to WP policy. DGG 06:54, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

• ..should be allowed all the time necessary Really? What gives them a pass?
• ..The eds. use of userspace is in conformity to WP policy. User pages are okay for TEMPORARY use as holding places for potential articles. Given that the article is, as is, a borderline speedy deletion and a guaranteed loser at AFD -- I mean, it's not just a fan film, it's a fan film which hasn't even been made yet -- vague promises that some day, somehow, he'll fix it up in conformity don't you worry even (if he's done nothing whatsoever with it in nearly four months), no, it isn't in conformity with WP:NOT. --Calton | Talk 08:16, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

• Keep for now: It looks like a work in progress that probably took longer than the user expected (possibly due to the user being busy in real life).--Wiki Fanatic | Talk 07:43, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

• Given that the actual work done since its creation is, well, zero, then we can expect, at that rate, a completion date somewhere around the Heat Death of the Universe? --Calton | Talk 08:16, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

• Keep per DGG and Wiki Fanatic. I don't see a serious issue here. Calton, please tone down the strident rhetoric. Newyorkbrad 13:22, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
• Keep for now - Work in progress. Not being used inappropiately. -- Paxomen 13:34, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
• Delete. The purpose of userfication isn't to allow people to work on something at some indefinite point in the future. When you intend on working on it, ask for a userfied copy, not before. Actually, I'm not entirely convinced that it could be made a decent article until the thing comes out... -Amarkov moo! 15:58, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
• Strong keep for now. Allow me to address the reasons for deletion presented so far:

1. WP is not a permanent free webhost/MySpace substitute - This statement is not actually found on WP:NOT. What the policy actually says in full is: "Wikipedia is not a blog, webspace provider, or social networking site... Wikipedians have their own user pages, but they may be used only to present information relevant to working on the encyclopedia. If you are looking to make a personal webpage or blog, please make use of one of the many free providers on the Internet." And clearly this is not an attempt to make a personal webpage or a blog.
2. WP is not a permanent home for not-ready-for-primetime articles - Again this statement is not actually found on WP:NOT. The relevant passage is already stated above in full, and to repeat the most relevant part, "may be used only to present information relevant to working on the encyclopedia". In fact it makes no reference as to how long wikipedians have to finish working on their draft articles. And to add to this, Carlton, how do you know this is a "permanent home", especially when Paxomen says he will work on it, after more urgent matters are attended to? And then decide if it good enough to (a) go on Wikipedia (b) go on a Buffy Wiki
3. I'm not entirely convinced that it could be made a decent article - then it will be a case of speedy deletion or AfD, we do not need to interfere with Wikipedians user space if they hold drafts that are clearly related to encyclopedia work. In fact this whole debate is taking time of wikipedians (including myself) who could be doing other things on the encyclopedia, but I feel I must stand up for the right for userspace to continue improving the encyclopedia. Preventing Users doing this would only decrease contributions to the project. -- Buffyverse 20:02, 7 March 2007 (UTC)