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Revision as of 02:38, 9 March 2007
Please leave comments and I will reply on this page. If I post on your talk page, I will check there for your reply to keep the conversation in one place. Thanks!
Delta Destinations
Why'd you take out the planned PDX-JFK route? It was even cited I saw.
External links
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re: links
Sorry if I have violated protocol here. There seems to be inconsistency in the Wikipedia as to whether these types of links are desirable. For example, look at the page on *Dow Jones. Is there a definitive policy on this across the Wikipedia?
Thanks in advance Mike
- Yeah, it's all good - the http://www.alacrastore.com/storecontent/companysnapshot/1004842 link really doesn't add anything unless you pay, and so we try to avoid links to sites that just want you to pay for content. Cheers, --Matt 18:24, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
I assert to be the same user as commons:User:Mlaroche--Matt 02:08, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
Southwest Trivia
You all didn't actually discuss that particular trivia about Kohntopp on the discussion page. I thought that any Southwest pilot notable enough to have their own Wikipedia article should be mentioned in the Southwest article. If others don't agree, that's fine, but I hope they'll record their reasoning on the discussion page. Cla68 15:14, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
- I know I didn't discuss particular ones, but I was trying for a first rough cut. Instead of making edit summary comments, you could have given your reasoning in a place that's more visible and persistent - the Talk page. We're not doing this to slight you. --Matt 15:16, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
Spirit Fleet
Hey! How come you changed the wording of the article, from a neutral toned "Spirit prides itself as having the youngest fleet in the Americas", to "Spirit has the youngest fleet in the Americas" and then adding a citation tag to it? The former wording only stated that Spirit itself claimed this, which they do all over their advertisment, and only emphasized that the airline claimed this, not that it was necessarily 100% true, this new wording just makes it seem as if it's an unsourced comment by a random user, when it's actually expressed often by the airline itself. -- SmthManly / ManlyTalk / ManlyContribs 00:01, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
- Well, the fact isn't cited, so it really does need a source. And "pride" makes it sound like POV advertisement. So really, it still is an unsourced comment until you add a source, and it really doesn't need "the airline prides itself" - way too wordy. --Matt 00:23, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
- Well, I didn't add that but I think putting that way makes it sound like a lie. LOL, when actually isn't not, the older A319 is only a year old, and the oldest 321 is 4 years old and it's leased until brand news ones are delivered... the airline claims it all over it's ads, but you can't seem to link them directly, any outside links just default to the homepage. -- SmthManly / ManlyTalk / ManlyContribs 00:30, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
- As an admin, you should know that citation needed tags are merely that - requests for citation - and not necessarily an implication that the sentence is false. In fact, I believe the statement, it just needs to be cited. And I still maintain that "Spirit prides itself" is wordy and non neutral. --Matt 00:32, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
- Right, I know, I'm not saying the tag does, I'm saying the and the tag do together. -- SmthManly / ManlyTalk / ManlyContribs 00:37, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
- I'm not sure where we're disagreeing then... do you think that "prides itself" is NPOV? Do you think it's incorrect that a citation is appropriate there? --Matt 00:39, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
- I don't mind changing the wording, I'm saying that that particular wording and the tag together makes it sound like a lie, when it's not, I just restored it cause I didn't know how else to word it. -- SmthManly / ManlyTalk / ManlyContribs 00:40, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
- I think then it's a different personal interpretation of citation needed. --Matt 00:44, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
- Yeah, I guess. Oh well. -- SmthManly / ManlyTalk / ManlyContribs 00:45, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
- The article has 2 citations, which seems very low for an article of that length. When to cite sources says "All material that is challenged or likely to be challenged needs a source." A statement saying that an airline has the youngest fleet age in the Americas is, in my opinion, likely to be challenged. That means it needs a citation. Since I don't have a citation for that, I put in {{cn}}. That's not to imply that it's a lie - as you can tell from my edit history, I'm a real, honest to goodness, wikipedia editor with an extensive edit history, which I hope shows no bias at all (other than a disdain for vandals). I'm not going to go against you and revert, but I still stand by my original edit. --Matt 00:51, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
- Nah, man, I'm not saying it's you, I'm saying I agree with you, I just think it makes the comment look like a lie, that's what it struck me, like, if i had been a regular reader I'd see that citation tag and it felt as if the comment was just some inaccurate boasting by an employee or something. I don't think you've done anything wrong, and I didn't mean to sound that way, it's fine how you put it, this is why I came to you to discuss it and see your reasoning and didn't just change it back and stayed quiet. I thought it sounded off, so I came here to see how you felt and you're right it's better with the tag. -- SmthManly / ManlyTalk / ManlyContribs 01:12, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
- Ok, cool - happy editing! --Matt 01:23, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
- Nah, man, I'm not saying it's you, I'm saying I agree with you, I just think it makes the comment look like a lie, that's what it struck me, like, if i had been a regular reader I'd see that citation tag and it felt as if the comment was just some inaccurate boasting by an employee or something. I don't think you've done anything wrong, and I didn't mean to sound that way, it's fine how you put it, this is why I came to you to discuss it and see your reasoning and didn't just change it back and stayed quiet. I thought it sounded off, so I came here to see how you felt and you're right it's better with the tag. -- SmthManly / ManlyTalk / ManlyContribs 01:12, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
- The article has 2 citations, which seems very low for an article of that length. When to cite sources says "All material that is challenged or likely to be challenged needs a source." A statement saying that an airline has the youngest fleet age in the Americas is, in my opinion, likely to be challenged. That means it needs a citation. Since I don't have a citation for that, I put in {{cn}}. That's not to imply that it's a lie - as you can tell from my edit history, I'm a real, honest to goodness, wikipedia editor with an extensive edit history, which I hope shows no bias at all (other than a disdain for vandals). I'm not going to go against you and revert, but I still stand by my original edit. --Matt 00:51, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
- Yeah, I guess. Oh well. -- SmthManly / ManlyTalk / ManlyContribs 00:45, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
- I think then it's a different personal interpretation of citation needed. --Matt 00:44, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
- I don't mind changing the wording, I'm saying that that particular wording and the tag together makes it sound like a lie, when it's not, I just restored it cause I didn't know how else to word it. -- SmthManly / ManlyTalk / ManlyContribs 00:40, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
- I'm not sure where we're disagreeing then... do you think that "prides itself" is NPOV? Do you think it's incorrect that a citation is appropriate there? --Matt 00:39, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
- Right, I know, I'm not saying the tag does, I'm saying the and the tag do together. -- SmthManly / ManlyTalk / ManlyContribs 00:37, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
- As an admin, you should know that citation needed tags are merely that - requests for citation - and not necessarily an implication that the sentence is false. In fact, I believe the statement, it just needs to be cited. And I still maintain that "Spirit prides itself" is wordy and non neutral. --Matt 00:32, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
- Well, I didn't add that but I think putting that way makes it sound like a lie. LOL, when actually isn't not, the older A319 is only a year old, and the oldest 321 is 4 years old and it's leased until brand news ones are delivered... the airline claims it all over it's ads, but you can't seem to link them directly, any outside links just default to the homepage. -- SmthManly / ManlyTalk / ManlyContribs 00:30, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
Compromises
Delete this if you want, I just want to ask you why I would compromise on something thats wrong? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 208.63.196.223 (talk • contribs).
- You shouldn't - wikipedia isn't a democracy and the truth should be in the articles. But if two editors disagree, it's not vandalism - it's a content dispute. Accusing the other editor of vandalism isn't going to make him want to see it your way. I'm pretty sure he means well. --Matt 15:11, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
Audi
Thanks for that - the revert function seemed to be failing and I couldn't get back to the last good copy! EliminatorJR Talk 23:03, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
- It's cool - I saw you trying to do it and was about to leave a message on your page. I cannot live without Popups. --Matt 23:04, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
FYI
FYI: transatlantic and transpacific aren't capitalized or CamelCase. Cheers --Matt 01:32, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
- Believe what you want, but that ain't my IP address!! Sometimes I think you're following me 'round the Net ... a little creepy. --Inetpup 06:09, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
- diff - not referring to your IP ;) --Matt 06:17, 6 March 2007 (UTC)