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=Streamlining Formatting (Project Ships Talk)= |
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==Overview== |
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There are a couple areas where the formatting across multiple different pages is either not consistent or partially misleading. We should discuss a consistent formatting style. For some of these points I have suggestions or a common style should be made standard, for others I am point out a problem without a solution. |
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I will attempt to separate these out into different chains by topic. |
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==Ships-in-Class Tables== |
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Over the years I have used Wikipedia, one of the most useful parts has been the list of ships in a given class. |
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Two of the most egregious are the ''Essex'' class aircraft carrier and ''Oliver Hazard Perry'' class frigate pages, which I am working on bringing to the more common US Navy style. however, the formatting often differs for different nations, some understandably (Asian navies often don't report keel laying dates for modern ships) and some to make them far less useful (Cold War British frigates are common examples). I recommend the following: |
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Insert recommended table format here, noting required, preferred-if-known, and optional columns. |
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revise me |
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Order dates removed from tables: many ships were often ordered on the same day, so this should not be a separate column. A footnote can suffice in many cases. |
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For British ships split costs into separate table (this is nearly ubiquitous) |
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Multiple fate columns so can sort by date AND sold to X navy/scrapped/sunk as target |
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Add lost to decommissioned column so can sort with decommissioned ships, but with color coding to denote fate. |
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Major modifications column, though that should have a more clear definition (flights for ''Burke''s exists, ABL/VLS for ''Spruance'' does not but should). |
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==Concurrent Classes== |
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In addition, in the class overview template to standard redirects are "Preceded by" and "Succeeded by". However, in some cases multiple classes were built concurrently for different reasons. |
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The most clear example to me are US destroyer escorts in WWII. |
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==In Service/Decommissioned-For-Refit Clarity in Class Tables== |
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In several cases a ship was decommissioned for a refit and recommissioned when the refit was concluded. At present the standard templates do not distinguish between these decommissioning/recommissioning dates and actually joining the reserve fleet. This is also not consistently used across different ships: some ''Essex'' class carriers were decommissioned for the SCB-27 and/or SCB-125 rebuilds while others were not (at least according to common secondary sources, I suspect digging into primaries would show more consistency, though that's beyond the scope of Wikipedia). |
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Discuss US ships placed In Service rather than In Commission, particularly for Naval Reserve Training/Naval Reserve Force ships. Also discuss that in general, noting the little I know about the British practice. |
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At present I do not know how to incorporate this into tables, and am open to suggestions. |
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Revision as of 14:11, 8 May 2023
This page is going to be a repository of in-progress items. While I correct inaccurate information rapidly if I have a source, there are some pages that are in need of major edits to add more important information or to bring to a consistent style (such as lists of ships for class pages, where the style varies in some articles). I tend to take time with such projects, bringing them not only to Wikipedia's standards, but my own.
If you are reading this page, feel free to add any thoughts/corrections/questions/recommendations on my talk page.
Essex Class Aircraft Carrier
Ships in class (Essex)
Original Table
Hull no. | Ship | Yard | Ordered | Keel laid | Launched | Commission | Rebuild(s) | Re-designations | Decomm | Fate |
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CV-9 | Essex | NNSD | Jul 1940 | Apr 1941 | Jul 1942 | Dec 1942 Jan 1951 |
SCB-27A, 1951 SCB-125, 1956 SCB-144, 1962 |
CVA-9, 1952 CVS-9, 1960 |
Jan 1947 Jun 1969 |
Sold to Defense Reutilization and Marketing Service (DRMS) and scrapped (Jun 1975) in Kearny, New Jersey |
CV-10 | Yorktown (ex-Bon Homme Richard) |
NNSD | Jul 1940 | Dec 1941 | Jan 1943 | Apr 1943 Jan 1953 |
SCB-27A, 1953 SCB-125, 1955 SCB-144, 1966 |
CVA-10, 1953 CVS-10, 1957 |
Jan 1947 Jun 1970 |
Museum at Charleston, South Carolina (1975) |
CV-11 | Intrepid | NNSD | Jul 1940 | Dec 1941 | Apr 1943 | Aug 1943 Feb 1952 Oct 1954 |
SCB-27C, 1954 SCB-125, 1957 SCB-144, 1965 |
CVA-11, 1952 CVS-11, 1961 |
Mar 1947 Apr 1952 Mar 1974 |
Museum at New York City (1982) |
CV-12 | Hornet (ex-Kearsarge) |
NNSD | Sep 1940 | Aug 1942 | Aug 1943 | Nov 1943 Mar 1951 Sep 1953 |
SCB-27A, 1953 SCB-125, 1956 SCB-144, 1965 |
CVA-12, 1953 CVS-12,1958 |
Jan 1947 May 1951 Jun 1970 |
Museum at Alameda, California (1998) |
CV-13 | Franklin | NNSD | Sep 1940 | Dec 1942 | Oct 1943 | Jan 1944 | Feb 1947 | Sold to Portsmouth Salvage Company of Chesapeake, Virginia and scrapped (Aug 1966) | ||
CV-14 | Ticonderoga[a] (ex-Hancock) |
NNSD | Sep 1940 | Feb 1943 | Feb 1944 | May 1944 Oct 1954 |
SCB-27C, 1954 SCB-125, 1957 |
CVA-14, 1954 CVS-14, 1969 |
Jan 1947 Sep 1973 |
Sold to DRMS and scrapped (Sep 1975) |
CV-15 | Randolph[a] | NNSD | Sep 1940 | May 1943 | Jun 1944 | Oct 1944 Jul 1953 |
SCB-27A, 1953 SCB-125, 1956 SCB-144, 1961 |
CVA-15, 1953 CVS-15, 1959 |
Feb 1948 Feb 1969 |
Scrapped (May 1975) in Kearny, New Jersey |
CV-16 | Lexington (ex-Cabot) |
FRSY | Sep 1940 | Jul 1941 | Sep 1942 | Feb 1943 Aug 1955 |
SCB-27C/125, 1955 | CVA-16,1955 CVS-16, 1962 CVT-16, 1969 AVT-16, 1978 |
Apr 1947 Nov 1991 |
Museum at Corpus Christi, TX (1992) |
CV-17 | Bunker Hill | FRSY | Sep 1940 | Sep 1941 | Dec 1942 | May 1943 | Jan 1947 | Sold to Zidell Explorations, Incorporated of Oregon and scrapped (May 1973) | ||
CV-18 | Wasp (ex-Oriskany) |
FRSY | Sep 1940 | Mar 1942 | Aug 1943 | Nov 1943 Sep 1951 |
SCB-27A, 1951 SCB-125, 1955 SCB-144, 1964 |
CVA-18, 1952 CVS-18, 1956 |
Feb 1947 Jul 1972 |
Sold to Union Minerals and Alloys Corporation, of New York City and scrapped (May 1973) |
CV-19 | Hancock[a] (ex-Ticonderoga) |
FRSY | Sep 1940 | Jan 1943 | Jan 1944 | April 1944 Feb 1954 Nov 1956 |
SCB-27C, 1954 SCB-125, 1956 |
CVA-19, 1952 CV-19, 1975 |
May 1947 Apr 1956 Jan 1976 |
Sold to DRMS and scrapped (Sep 1976) in Los Angeles area |
CV-20 | Bennington | BNY | Dec 1941 | Dec 1942 | Feb 1944 | Aug 1944 Nov 1952 |
SCB-27A, 1952 SCB-125, 1955 SCB-144, 1963 |
CVA-20, 1952 CVS-20, 1959 |
Nov 1946 Jan 1970 |
Scrapped (Jan 1994) in India |
CV-21 | Boxer[a] | NNSD | Dec 1941 | Sep 1943 | Dec 1944 | Apr 1945 | Amphib | CVA-21, 1952 CVS-21, 1956 LPH-4, 1959 |
Dec 1969 | Scrapped (Feb 1971) |
CV-31 | Bon Homme Richard | BNY | Aug 1942 | Feb 1943 | Apr 1944 | Nov 1944 Jan 1951 Sep 1955 |
SCB-27C/125, 1955 | CVA-31, 1952 | Jan 1947 May 1953 Jul 1971 |
Sold to Southwest Marine, San Pedro, California, and scrapped (Mar 1992) |
CV-32 | Leyte[a] (ex-Crown Point) |
NNSD | Aug 1942 | Feb 1944 | Aug 1945 | Apr 1946 | CVA-32, 1952 CVS-32, 1953 |
May 1959 | Scrapped (Mar 1970) in Chesapeake, Virginia | |
CV-33 | Kearsarge[a] | BNY | Aug 1942 | Mar 1944 | May 1945 | Mar 1946 Feb 1952 |
SCB-27A, 1952 SCB-125, 1957 SCB-144, 1962 |
CVA-33, 1952 CVS-33, 1958 |
Jun 1950 Feb 1970 |
Scrapped (Feb 1974) |
CV-34 | Oriskany[b] | BNY | Aug 1942 | May 1944 | Oct 1945 | Sep 1950 Mar 1959 |
SCB-27, 1950 SCB-125A, 1959 |
CVA-34, 1952 CV-34, 1975 |
Jan 1957 Sep 1976 |
Order scrapped but no action taken and scuttled as an artificial reef in Gulf of Mexico (May 2006) |
CV-35 | Reprisal[c] | BNY | Aug 1942 | Jul 1944 | Dec 1945 | Scrapped (Nov 1949) by Boston Metals Co., Baltimore, Maryland | ||||
CV-36 | Antietam[a] | PNY | Aug 1942 | Mar 1943 | Aug 1944 | Jan 1945 Jan 1951 |
Experimental angled deck, 1952 | CVA-36, 1952 CVS-36, 1953 |
1949 May 1963 |
Sold to Union Minerals & Alloys Corp and scrapped (Feb 1974) |
CV-37 | Princeton[a] (ex-Valley Forge) |
PNY | Aug 1942 | Sep 1943 | Jul 1945 | Nov 1945 Aug 1950 |
Amphib | CVA-37, 1952 CVS-37, 1954 LPH-5, 1959 |
Jun 1949 Jan 1970 |
Scrapped (May 1971) |
CV-38 | USS Shangri-La[a] | NNY | Aug 1942 | Jan 1943 | Feb 1944 | Sep 1944 May 1951 |
SCB-27C/125, 1955 | CVA-38, 1952 CVS-38, 1969 |
Nov 1947 Jul 1971 |
Scrapped (Aug 1988) in Taiwan |
CV-39 | Lake Champlain[a] | NNY | Aug 1942 | Mar 1943 | Nov 1944 | Jun 1945 Sep 1952 |
SCB-27A, 1952 | CVA-39, 1952 CVS-39, 1957 |
Feb 1947 May 1966 |
Scrapped (Apr 1972) |
CV-40 | Tarawa[a] | NNY | Aug 1942 | Mar 1944 | May 1945 | Dec 1945 Feb 1951 |
CVA-40, 1952 CVS-40, 1955 |
Jun 1949 May 1960 |
Sold to DRMS and scrapped (Oct 1968) | |
CV-45 | Valley Forge[a] | PNY | Jun 1943 | Sep 1944 | Nov 1945 | Nov 1946 | Amphib | CVA-45, 1952 CVS-45, 1953 LPH-8, 1961 |
Jan 1970 | Sold to Nicolai Joffre Corporation, Beverly Hills, California, and scrapped (Oct 1971) |
CV-46 | Iwo Jima[c] | NNSD | Jun 1943 | Jan 1945 | Canceled while under construction. Scrapped 1946 in slip at Newport News | |||||
CV-47 | Philippine Sea[a] | FRSY | Jun 1943 | Aug 1944 | Sep 1945 | May 1946 | CVA-47, 1952 CVS-47, 1955 |
Dec 1958 | Sold to Zidell Explorations, Incorporated and scrapped (Mar 1971) |
Construction notes:
WIP Revised Table
Hull no. | Ship | Yard | Ordered | Keel laid | Launched | Commission | Rebuild(s) | Re-designations | Decomm | Fate |
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CV-9 | Essex | NNSD | Jul 1940 | Apr 1941 | Jul 1942 | Dec 1942 Jan 1951 |
SCB-27A, 1951 SCB-125, 1956 SCB-144, 1962 |
CVA-9, 1952 CVS-9, 1960 |
Jan 1947 Jun 1969 |
Sold to Defense Reutilization and Marketing Service (DRMS) and scrapped (Jun 1975) in Kearny, New Jersey |
CV-10 | Yorktown (ex-Bon Homme Richard) |
NNSD | Jul 1940 | Dec 1941 | Jan 1943 | Apr 1943 Jan 1953 |
SCB-27A, 1953 SCB-125, 1955 SCB-144, 1966 |
CVA-10, 1953 CVS-10, 1957 |
Jan 1947 Jun 1970 |
Museum at Charleston, South Carolina (1975) |
CV-11 | Intrepid | NNSD | Jul 1940 | Dec 1941 | Apr 1943 | Aug 1943 Feb 1952 Oct 1954 |
SCB-27C, 1954 SCB-125, 1957 SCB-144, 1965 |
CVA-11, 1952 CVS-11, 1961 |
Mar 1947 Apr 1952 Mar 1974 |
Museum at New York City (1982) |
CV-12 | Hornet (ex-Kearsarge) |
NNSD | Sep 1940 | Aug 1942 | Aug 1943 | Nov 1943 Mar 1951 Sep 1953 |
SCB-27A, 1953 SCB-125, 1956 SCB-144, 1965 |
CVA-12, 1953 CVS-12,1958 |
Jan 1947 May 1951 Jun 1970 |
Museum at Alameda, California (1998) |
CV-13 | Franklin | NNSD | Sep 1940 | Dec 1942 | Oct 1943 | Jan 1944 | Feb 1947 | Sold to Portsmouth Salvage Company of Chesapeake, Virginia and scrapped (Aug 1966) | ||
CV-14 | Ticonderoga[a] (ex-Hancock) |
NNSD | Sep 1940 | Feb 1943 | Feb 1944 | May 1944 Oct 1954 |
SCB-27C, 1954 SCB-125, 1957 |
CVA-14, 1954 CVS-14, 1969 |
Jan 1947 Sep 1973 |
Sold to DRMS and scrapped (Sep 1975) |
CV-15 | Randolph[a] | NNSD | Sep 1940 | May 1943 | Jun 1944 | Oct 1944 Jul 1953 |
SCB-27A, 1953 SCB-125, 1956 SCB-144, 1961 |
CVA-15, 1953 CVS-15, 1959 |
Feb 1948 Feb 1969 |
Scrapped (May 1975) in Kearny, New Jersey |
CV-16 | Lexington (ex-Cabot) |
FRSY | Sep 1940 | Jul 1941 | Sep 1942 | Feb 1943 Aug 1955 |
SCB-27C/125, 1955 | CVA-16,1955 CVS-16, 1962 CVT-16, 1969 AVT-16, 1978 |
Apr 1947 Nov 1991 |
Museum at Corpus Christi, TX (1992) |
CV-17 | Bunker Hill | FRSY | Sep 1940 | Sep 1941 | Dec 1942 | May 1943 | Jan 1947 | Sold to Zidell Explorations, Incorporated of Oregon and scrapped (May 1973) | ||
CV-18 | Wasp (ex-Oriskany) |
FRSY | Sep 1940 | Mar 1942 | Aug 1943 | Nov 1943 Sep 1951 |
SCB-27A, 1951 SCB-125, 1955 SCB-144, 1964 |
CVA-18, 1952 CVS-18, 1956 |
Feb 1947 Jul 1972 |
Sold to Union Minerals and Alloys Corporation, of New York City and scrapped (May 1973) |
CV-19 | Hancock[a] (ex-Ticonderoga) |
FRSY | Sep 1940 | Jan 1943 | Jan 1944 | April 1944 Feb 1954 Nov 1956 |
SCB-27C, 1954 SCB-125, 1956 |
CVA-19, 1952 CV-19, 1975 |
May 1947 Apr 1956 Jan 1976 |
Sold to DRMS and scrapped (Sep 1976) in Los Angeles area |
CV-20 | Bennington | BNY | Dec 1941 | Dec 1942 | Feb 1944 | Aug 1944 Nov 1952 |
SCB-27A, 1952 SCB-125, 1955 SCB-144, 1963 |
CVA-20, 1952 CVS-20, 1959 |
Nov 1946 Jan 1970 |
Scrapped (Jan 1994) in India |
CV-21 | Boxer[a] | NNSD | Dec 1941 | Sep 1943 | Dec 1944 | Apr 1945 | Amphib | CVA-21, 1952 CVS-21, 1956 LPH-4, 1959 |
Dec 1969 | Scrapped (Feb 1971) |
CV-31 | Bon Homme Richard | BNY | Aug 1942 | Feb 1943 | Apr 1944 | Nov 1944 Jan 1951 Sep 1955 |
SCB-27C/125, 1955 | CVA-31, 1952 | Jan 1947 May 1953 Jul 1971 |
Sold to Southwest Marine, San Pedro, California, and scrapped (Mar 1992) |
CV-32 | Leyte[a] (ex-Crown Point) |
NNSD | Aug 1942 | Feb 1944 | Aug 1945 | Apr 1946 | CVA-32, 1952 CVS-32, 1953 |
May 1959 | Scrapped (Mar 1970) in Chesapeake, Virginia | |
CV-33 | Kearsarge[a] | BNY | Aug 1942 | Mar 1944 | May 1945 | Mar 1946 Feb 1952 |
SCB-27A, 1952 SCB-125, 1957 SCB-144, 1962 |
CVA-33, 1952 CVS-33, 1958 |
Jun 1950 Feb 1970 |
Scrapped (Feb 1974) |
CV-34 | Oriskany[b] | BNY | Aug 1942 | May 1944 | Oct 1945 | Sep 1950 Mar 1959 |
SCB-27, 1950 SCB-125A, 1959 |
CVA-34, 1952 CV-34, 1975 |
Jan 1957 Sep 1976 |
Order scrapped but no action taken and scuttled as an artificial reef in Gulf of Mexico (May 2006) |
CV-35 | Reprisal[c] | BNY | Aug 1942 | Jul 1944 | Dec 1945 | Scrapped (Nov 1949) by Boston Metals Co., Baltimore, Maryland | ||||
CV-36 | Antietam[a] | PNY | Aug 1942 | Mar 1943 | Aug 1944 | Jan 1945 Jan 1951 |
Experimental angled deck, 1952 | CVA-36, 1952 CVS-36, 1953 |
1949 May 1963 |
Sold to Union Minerals & Alloys Corp and scrapped (Feb 1974) |
CV-37 | Princeton[a] (ex-Valley Forge) |
PNY | Aug 1942 | Sep 1943 | Jul 1945 | Nov 1945 Aug 1950 |
Amphib | CVA-37, 1952 CVS-37, 1954 LPH-5, 1959 |
Jun 1949 Jan 1970 |
Scrapped (May 1971) |
CV-38 | USS Shangri-La[a] | NNY | Aug 1942 | Jan 1943 | Feb 1944 | Sep 1944 May 1951 |
SCB-27C/125, 1955 | CVA-38, 1952 CVS-38, 1969 |
Nov 1947 Jul 1971 |
Scrapped (Aug 1988) in Taiwan |
CV-39 | Lake Champlain[a] | NNY | Aug 1942 | Mar 1943 | Nov 1944 | Jun 1945 Sep 1952 |
SCB-27A, 1952 | CVA-39, 1952 CVS-39, 1957 |
Feb 1947 May 1966 |
Scrapped (Apr 1972) |
CV-40 | Tarawa[a] | NNY | Aug 1942 | Mar 1944 | May 1945 | Dec 1945 Feb 1951 |
CVA-40, 1952 CVS-40, 1955 |
Jun 1949 May 1960 |
Sold to DRMS and scrapped (Oct 1968) | |
CV-45 | Valley Forge[a] | PNY | Jun 1943 | Sep 1944 | Nov 1945 | Nov 1946 | Amphib | CVA-45, 1952 CVS-45, 1953 LPH-8, 1961 |
Jan 1970 | Sold to Nicolai Joffre Corporation, Beverly Hills, California, and scrapped (Oct 1971) |
CV-46 | Iwo Jima[c] | NNSD | Jun 1943 | Jan 1945 | Canceled while under construction. Scrapped 1946 in slip at Newport News | |||||
CV-47 | Philippine Sea[a] | FRSY | Jun 1943 | Aug 1944 | Sep 1945 | May 1946 | CVA-47, 1952 CVS-47, 1955 |
Dec 1958 | Sold to Zidell Explorations, Incorporated and scrapped (Mar 1971) |
Construction notes:
Considerations:
1. All surviving ships were reclassified as CVA-XX on 1 October 1952. Some of these were active, some in reserve, and some in a refit.
2. All dates are either years or month-year, not consistent with other class lists.
3. Some ships were decommissioned and recommissioned at the start and end of an SCB-27 or SCB-125 rebuild (Oriskany). Other ships came out of the reserve fleet for an SCB-27 rebuild and were only commissioned at the end of said rebuild (Essex), while others remained in commission during the rebuild (Bennington). This table should make an effort to make these more evident and consistent to make the table more usable, preferably without removing any actual commissioning/decommissioning dates or adding dates that were not commissioning/decommissioning dates.
4. The more common formatting is name-hull number, not hull number-name.
Streamlining Formatting (Project Ships Talk)
Overview
There are a couple areas where the formatting across multiple different pages is either not consistent or partially misleading. We should discuss a consistent formatting style. For some of these points I have suggestions or a common style should be made standard, for others I am point out a problem without a solution.
I will attempt to separate these out into different chains by topic.
Ships-in-Class Tables
Over the years I have used Wikipedia, one of the most useful parts has been the list of ships in a given class.
Two of the most egregious are the Essex class aircraft carrier and Oliver Hazard Perry class frigate pages, which I am working on bringing to the more common US Navy style. however, the formatting often differs for different nations, some understandably (Asian navies often don't report keel laying dates for modern ships) and some to make them far less useful (Cold War British frigates are common examples). I recommend the following:
Insert recommended table format here, noting required, preferred-if-known, and optional columns.
revise me
Order dates removed from tables: many ships were often ordered on the same day, so this should not be a separate column. A footnote can suffice in many cases.
For British ships split costs into separate table (this is nearly ubiquitous)
Multiple fate columns so can sort by date AND sold to X navy/scrapped/sunk as target
Add lost to decommissioned column so can sort with decommissioned ships, but with color coding to denote fate.
Major modifications column, though that should have a more clear definition (flights for Burkes exists, ABL/VLS for Spruance does not but should).
Concurrent Classes
In addition, in the class overview template to standard redirects are "Preceded by" and "Succeeded by". However, in some cases multiple classes were built concurrently for different reasons.
The most clear example to me are US destroyer escorts in WWII.
In Service/Decommissioned-For-Refit Clarity in Class Tables
In several cases a ship was decommissioned for a refit and recommissioned when the refit was concluded. At present the standard templates do not distinguish between these decommissioning/recommissioning dates and actually joining the reserve fleet. This is also not consistently used across different ships: some Essex class carriers were decommissioned for the SCB-27 and/or SCB-125 rebuilds while others were not (at least according to common secondary sources, I suspect digging into primaries would show more consistency, though that's beyond the scope of Wikipedia).
Discuss US ships placed In Service rather than In Commission, particularly for Naval Reserve Training/Naval Reserve Force ships. Also discuss that in general, noting the little I know about the British practice.
At present I do not know how to incorporate this into tables, and am open to suggestions.
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