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[[Murder Rooms: Mysteries of the Real Sherlock Holmes|Murder Rooms]] was listed here under both Ian Richardson and separately as a TV series. I do have some doubts about it being here, as it is not an adaption, although it has obvious Holmes influences. However it seems really strange to have it twice and misleading to have it listed under Ian Richardson as he was not playing Holmes in it, so I have removed the first entry and left the Television
[[Murder Rooms: Mysteries of the Real Sherlock Holmes|Murder Rooms]] was listed here under both Ian Richardson and separately as a TV series. I do have some doubts about it being here, as it is not an adaption, although it has obvious Holmes influences. However it seems really strange to have it twice and misleading to have it listed under Ian Richardson as he was not playing Holmes in it, so I have removed the first entry and left the Television
series one. [[User:Dunarc|Dunarc]] ([[User talk:Dunarc|talk]]) 19:58, 11 December 2017 (UTC)
series one. [[User:Dunarc|Dunarc]] ([[User talk:Dunarc|talk]]) 19:58, 11 December 2017 (UTC)

== removing of content ==
Hi. Mostly silent reader here, but I hope my opinion isn't viewed as less because I'm not registered (also, English isn't my first language).

In the past few days, ThaddeusSholto has [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template%3ASherlock_Holmes_screen_adaptations&diff=1154314561&oldid=1154019260 removed several entries] from the template. I see that he seems to have gotten into Holmes at great length, but that doesn't make him the sole authority on what counts as an adaptation. The problem with Holmes is that he is in the public domain, and therefore appears in a number of works in more or less major roles.

As reasons he gives are "pastiche (...) isn't an adaptation" or "Sherlock (...) is a minor character.", which initially sound like valid reasons. And I don't want to deny that some of the works in question are quite borderline and could well be up for discussion (which Thaddeus didn't do, he went straight to action), but not more than other titles that have been part of this template for years without objection. We have works about [[Enola Holmes (film)|his sister]], [[The Adventures of Shirley Holmes|his grandniece]], [[They Might Be Giants (film)|a man who thinks he is the detective]], [[The Return of the World's Greatest Detective|another man who thinks he is the detective]], and even [[The Great Mouse Detective|a talking mouse]], just to name a few. Just because the main character might not be named Sherlock Holmes doesn't automatically mean that a work can't still be Sherlockian. And unless anyone can provide me with a guideline as to why an [[The Irregulars|English show about the supernatural with Holmes in a suporting role]] should be relevant, but a [[Undead Girl Murder Farce|Japanese one]] shouldn't, I can only assume that Thaddeus was just following his personal tastes here. The only other alternative would be to stick strictly to Conan Doyle's works, and that can't be the solution either. --[[Special:Contributions/2003:C0:3F0D:3D78:755D:DDE6:4340:A562|2003:C0:3F0D:3D78:755D:DDE6:4340:A562]] ([[User talk:2003:C0:3F0D:3D78:755D:DDE6:4340:A562|talk]]) 17:52, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

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Format is too wide

The current format of this template is insanely wasteful of horizontal space. It's so wide that it takes up more than 90 characters, which is the width of the WP text area as I view it on my browser. The format is the standard one-line headings in a separate column. This is okay for navigation by things like years or decades, because the heading are short and there's only one level of headings, so they all fit in one narrow column. But it doesn't work for this template. The headings are much longer, many of the film titles are longer than usual, and there are two levels, so (a) there are two columns of headers, (b) both of them are fairly wide, and (c) the long titles force the box to be even wider. I made two alternative formats, but an anonymous editor reverted both of them. These are the formats I created:

The problem may not be obvious if you use a small font on a large screen, but it's awful otherwise. The current format takes up 2 1/2 pages and hangs out past the right edge of the text area, even though the "Sherlock Holmes and..." titles are abbreviated. Almost anything else would be better. —Codrdan (talk) 11:32, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Message to 76.229.211.37

Dear 76.229.211.37: Please stop edit warring. I've provided detailed explanations of my edits and temporarily accepted some of your preferences, even though I think they're misguided, while most of your reversions have no explanation at all and you haven't even bothered to register. I don't see any basis for your edits except knee-jerk contrariness. It doesn't make sense to abbreviate some titles but not others when they have exactly the same form ("S.H. and..."), and even worse, some of the unabbreviated titles are exactly the ones that are making the table too wide. —Codrdan (talk) 15:37, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Murder rooms

Murder Rooms was listed here under both Ian Richardson and separately as a TV series. I do have some doubts about it being here, as it is not an adaption, although it has obvious Holmes influences. However it seems really strange to have it twice and misleading to have it listed under Ian Richardson as he was not playing Holmes in it, so I have removed the first entry and left the Television series one. Dunarc (talk) 19:58, 11 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

removing of content

Hi. Mostly silent reader here, but I hope my opinion isn't viewed as less because I'm not registered (also, English isn't my first language).

In the past few days, ThaddeusSholto has removed several entries from the template. I see that he seems to have gotten into Holmes at great length, but that doesn't make him the sole authority on what counts as an adaptation. The problem with Holmes is that he is in the public domain, and therefore appears in a number of works in more or less major roles.

As reasons he gives are "pastiche (...) isn't an adaptation" or "Sherlock (...) is a minor character.", which initially sound like valid reasons. And I don't want to deny that some of the works in question are quite borderline and could well be up for discussion (which Thaddeus didn't do, he went straight to action), but not more than other titles that have been part of this template for years without objection. We have works about his sister, his grandniece, a man who thinks he is the detective, another man who thinks he is the detective, and even a talking mouse, just to name a few. Just because the main character might not be named Sherlock Holmes doesn't automatically mean that a work can't still be Sherlockian. And unless anyone can provide me with a guideline as to why an English show about the supernatural with Holmes in a suporting role should be relevant, but a Japanese one shouldn't, I can only assume that Thaddeus was just following his personal tastes here. The only other alternative would be to stick strictly to Conan Doyle's works, and that can't be the solution either. --2003:C0:3F0D:3D78:755D:DDE6:4340:A562 (talk) 17:52, 11 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]