Talk:Bilhorod People's Republic

Merge with 2023 Belgorod Oblast attack

WP:NTEMP, it's better to merge this page into 2023 Belgorod Oblast attack. In addition, this article (uk:Білгородська Народна Республіка) is placed under creation protection in Ukrainian wikipedia.--El caballero de los Leones (talk) 11:07, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

@唐吉訶德的侍從 Support merge this article was full of fake narratives, barely longer than the explainer on the Belgorod attack page, and no compelling reasons were named to change that status. Zerbrxsler (talk) 13:00, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

Please indicate what "fake narratives" are you mentioning? Fang Luo (talk) 19:03, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

Not agree. The attack on Belgorod region is continuing and still hard to conclude this will only be a one-time incident. Not to mention the parody part existed long before the attack on last week. Fang Luo (talk) 19:00, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

• Support the article can exist perfectly but it is easier to delete this article and start over again (WP:TNT). All the attempts to create this article so far have failed to appropriately cover the information available on this topic. Super Ψ Dro 08:41, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
• Strongly support merge into the "other reactions" subsection. This article was already created as Belgorod People's Republic and was also merged into the Belgorod attack article. It didn't have enough notability to support a separate article then and it certainly doesn't have enough now. (This article also contained a heavy amount of synth, citations 5-12 of this diff had nothing to do with the subject.) --Grnrchst (talk) 13:03, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

  Those contents has nothing to do with the conflict last week but helps reader understand the origin of the Ukrainian political meme and the background of BNR movement. Merging it to the conflict would be confusing. Fang Luo (talk) 14:31, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

  I'm not advocating for merging those sources, that's why I removed them. I removed them because they have nothing to do with the subject. That you have an original interpretation of them that links them with the subject isn't sufficient for inclusion. Honestly I don't think anything in this article is worth merging other than one or two of the sources in the first sentence. This article just isn't worth keeping. -- Grnrchst (talk) 14:42, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

Merge, this subject is clearly not notable. It was previously rejected as a draft and redirected to the article about the incursion under a different name. HappyWith (talk) 14:51, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

That draft was rejected for adding no source but twitter posts. Fang Luo (talk) 15:39, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

Support - This topic is notable enough for inclusion into 2023 Belgorod Oblast incursion but not enough for its own article, at least not yet. Charles Essie (talk) 16:47, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

The Poster

The "Bilhorod is Ukraine" poster Юе Артеміс (talk) 11:28, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

seems this poster is not released under proper license? would you able to contact the copyright holder? Fang Luo (talk) 19:21, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

History Section

History section of many other countries includes incidents happens before the formation of current regime. User Grnrchst should justify his logic to remove the related history part. Fang Luo (talk) 15:17, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

There was no entity formed, it is a meme, thus no history section is needed. The meme has no such history. Zerbrxsler (talk) 16:26, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

Infobox

User Super Dromaeosaurus wants to remove the original infobox, but it seems media coverage are there saying militants are actually trying to create a statelet, instead of just meme about it. Fang Luo (talk) 15:42, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

@Fang Luo The infobox is not meant to be used for internet memes, this creates the false implication that such an entity was formed, which it was not (WP:FAILEDVERIFICATION).

Your source says, that "[...] In a social-media taunt, Ukrainian sources shared an image of three soldiers proclaiming a new “Belgorod’s People’s Republic” [...].". This means it is purely satirical, a internet meme, which even your primary source says.

Furthermore, it also points out the real objectives: "A spokesman for Ukraine’s military intelligence said the two volunteer battalions crossed into the Belgorod region to “create a security zone” to protect Ukrainian civilians from Russian attacks."

The photo you refer to was taken last year, by an unknown source, unknown soldiers and unknown purpose. It is not related or created during the 2023 Belgorod Oblast incursion, you just made this connection up. Zerbrxsler (talk) 16:25, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

Support

Belgorod separatism is supported by some Russian opposition leaders. 2A02:3030:815:CA06:1:0:3C8A:794E (talk) 17:00, 29 May 2023 (UTC)