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:::::The tags all provide information for the admin who reviews the article. They tell him that (a) an editor was concerned about the notbility of the subject, (b) an editor nominated the article for deletion and (c) that an editor believes it meets a speedy deletion criterion. All of those seem important bits of information and more important that the aesthetics of an article that is bound to be deleted. Note that deletion tags are not mentioned in the essay ([[User:Shanes/Why tags are evil]]) you refered me too. Please only remove speedy tags if you believe the speedy deletion criteria is not met. <span style="font-family: Verdana">[[User:WJBscribe|'''WjB''']][[User talk:WJBscribe|''scribe'']]</span> 02:42, 18 March 2007 (UTC) |
:::::The tags all provide information for the admin who reviews the article. They tell him that (a) an editor was concerned about the notbility of the subject, (b) an editor nominated the article for deletion and (c) that an editor believes it meets a speedy deletion criterion. All of those seem important bits of information and more important that the aesthetics of an article that is bound to be deleted. Note that deletion tags are not mentioned in the essay ([[User:Shanes/Why tags are evil]]) you refered me too. Please only remove speedy tags if you believe the speedy deletion criteria is not met. <span style="font-family: Verdana">[[User:WJBscribe|'''WjB''']][[User talk:WJBscribe|''scribe'']]</span> 02:42, 18 March 2007 (UTC) |
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<tab reset>Well, I can see we are not likely to agree on this one. The spirit and intent of the essay clearly apply. If you just scan it for the words you'll not see them, but if you understand what the essay means, then you'll see that the tags inturrupt the encyclopedia browsing experience, and are certainly unnecessary. The AfD all by itself clearly addresses all concerns that suggest the article should be deleted. Additional commentary can be provided in the AfD, or the article talk page. The admin who needs information before closing the article deletion would most certainly read the AFD comments. All pertinent information can be placed there without placing an undue burden to the reader of the article. [[User:Jerry|Jerry]] 02:47, 18 March 2007 (UTC) |
<tab reset>Well, I can see we are not likely to agree on this one. The spirit and intent of the essay clearly apply. If you just scan it for the words you'll not see them, but if you understand what the essay means, then you'll see that the tags inturrupt the encyclopedia browsing experience, and are certainly unnecessary. The AfD all by itself clearly addresses all concerns that suggest the article should be deleted. Additional commentary can be provided in the AfD, or the article talk page. The admin who needs information before closing the article deletion would most certainly read the AFD comments. All pertinent information can be placed there without placing an undue burden to the reader of the article. [[User:Jerry|Jerry]] 02:47, 18 March 2007 (UTC) |
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:Nope, I think we'll have have to agree to disagree here :-). I think the essay omits deletion tags for a reason. And that deleting articles through [[CAT:CSD]] is the priority over AfDs (as it saves editor time in reviewing the article and commenting on an unecessary AfD). You disagree. Fair enough, its not as if there's policy on the matter... <span style="font-family: Verdana">[[User:WJBscribe|'''WjB''']][[User talk:WJBscribe|''scribe'']]</span> 02:58, 18 March 2007 (UTC) |
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Hi, there's no need to remove speedy tags from articles that are also at AfD. It speeds up the process if those articles are also listed at CAT:CSD (hence why I tagged it as well as commenting in the AfD). WjBscribe 02:01, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
- If the speedy process already ran its course without resolution, then the AfD should clear it up. If it did not have a chance to run its course, then the AfD was premature. The excessive taggage is unpleasant to readers. The encyclopedia IS for readers. Read User:Shanes/Why tags are evil Jerry 02:04, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
- It was speedy tagged after being nominated. The point being that if another editor after the nominator decides that it meets a speedy criteria, he is not bound by the decision to AfD of the nominator. An admin reviewing the speedy tag can then either delete the article or leave it to the AfD if he doesn't think a speedy criteria is made out. And deleting unencyclopedic content is more important than tagging aesthetics. Any deletion tag will pretty much ruin the encyclopedic feel of a page for the reader anyway. And you agreed this one was a speedy candidate... WjBscribe 02:10, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
- As you say, I agree to speedy deletion. What I object to is three (3) separate tag templates being placed on the article. The first one, the AFD, the second one, the Speedy, and a third one, a "another editor has expressed concern..." we could pile-on tags a mile high, and it does not really improve the process, it only serves to a) bite a newbiee who may have added an article that does not meet notability criteria out of ignorance, b) confuse the reader, and c) make wikipedia deletion processes look chaotic and ugly. The speedy deletion of the article seems certain, based on the AfD, and it does not harm anything for it to stick around while that process continues.... not a problem with WP:LIVING, or any other really urgent "lets start a forest fire to burn this thing" issue. Jerry 02:33, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
- The tags all provide information for the admin who reviews the article. They tell him that (a) an editor was concerned about the notbility of the subject, (b) an editor nominated the article for deletion and (c) that an editor believes it meets a speedy deletion criterion. All of those seem important bits of information and more important that the aesthetics of an article that is bound to be deleted. Note that deletion tags are not mentioned in the essay (User:Shanes/Why tags are evil) you refered me too. Please only remove speedy tags if you believe the speedy deletion criteria is not met. WjBscribe 02:42, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
- As you say, I agree to speedy deletion. What I object to is three (3) separate tag templates being placed on the article. The first one, the AFD, the second one, the Speedy, and a third one, a "another editor has expressed concern..." we could pile-on tags a mile high, and it does not really improve the process, it only serves to a) bite a newbiee who may have added an article that does not meet notability criteria out of ignorance, b) confuse the reader, and c) make wikipedia deletion processes look chaotic and ugly. The speedy deletion of the article seems certain, based on the AfD, and it does not harm anything for it to stick around while that process continues.... not a problem with WP:LIVING, or any other really urgent "lets start a forest fire to burn this thing" issue. Jerry 02:33, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
- It was speedy tagged after being nominated. The point being that if another editor after the nominator decides that it meets a speedy criteria, he is not bound by the decision to AfD of the nominator. An admin reviewing the speedy tag can then either delete the article or leave it to the AfD if he doesn't think a speedy criteria is made out. And deleting unencyclopedic content is more important than tagging aesthetics. Any deletion tag will pretty much ruin the encyclopedic feel of a page for the reader anyway. And you agreed this one was a speedy candidate... WjBscribe 02:10, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
- If the speedy process already ran its course without resolution, then the AfD should clear it up. If it did not have a chance to run its course, then the AfD was premature. The excessive taggage is unpleasant to readers. The encyclopedia IS for readers. Read User:Shanes/Why tags are evil Jerry 02:04, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
<tab reset>Well, I can see we are not likely to agree on this one. The spirit and intent of the essay clearly apply. If you just scan it for the words you'll not see them, but if you understand what the essay means, then you'll see that the tags inturrupt the encyclopedia browsing experience, and are certainly unnecessary. The AfD all by itself clearly addresses all concerns that suggest the article should be deleted. Additional commentary can be provided in the AfD, or the article talk page. The admin who needs information before closing the article deletion would most certainly read the AFD comments. All pertinent information can be placed there without placing an undue burden to the reader of the article. Jerry 02:47, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
- Nope, I think we'll have have to agree to disagree here :-). I think the essay omits deletion tags for a reason. And that deleting articles through CAT:CSD is the priority over AfDs (as it saves editor time in reviewing the article and commenting on an unecessary AfD). You disagree. Fair enough, its not as if there's policy on the matter... WjBscribe 02:58, 18 March 2007 (UTC)