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:You never know since all these articles being made may be deleted. And why does everyone want to know what the article was? [[User:AxG/Userpage
== 1,800,000 ==
|<font color=royalblue face="comic sans ms">'''AxG'''</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/AxG|<font color=red><sup>@</sup></font>]] [[User talk:AxG|<font color=black><sup><font color=red>'''►'''</font>talk</sup></font>]] 19:21, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
::Morbid curiosity. [[User:Ouro|Ouro]] <small>([[User_talk:Ouro|blah blah]])</small> 12:42, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
:::In the same line of thinking, does anybody know which was the 1,532,774th article? I just happen to like that number. [[User:Numero4|Numero4]] 14:00, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

: If you haven't noticed, mankind finds numbers that start a new set interesting. Where else 1,532,774 is not a new number, 1,800,000 starts the next 800th thousandth article in the second set of million. Just like reaching 100 starts another set of hundred, which is 200, so then 1,800,000 marks the beginning of the set of articles numbered from 1,800,000 to 1,899,999. When we reach 1,900,000, many will look forward to the articles numbered from 1,900,000 to 1,999,999. I hope that concludes that.In short, even clean numbers are fun to look at. [[User:Tourskin|Tourskin]] 20:54, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

::Don't mean to be a dick or anything, but 1,532,774 sets a new set in the ones place. With it I looked forward to article 1,532,775. And 1,532,774 is even, and I haven't seen it doing any drugs lately so I'll assume it's clean. [[User:RageGarden|RageGarden]] 04:34, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

::Actually, 1,800,000 ends a set of articles from 1,700,001 to 1,800,000, in the same way that 2000 was technically the last year of the [[20th century]] rather than the first year of the 21st. There was no year 0 or article 0. [[User:Dtobias|*Dan T.*]] 23:50, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

:You guys are freaky. --[[User:Ouro|Ouro]] <small>([[User_talk:Ouro|blah blah]])</small> 10:33, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

: Ok well I'm not gonna say your wrong and I am right. But which way is north? Which way is south? From whos perspective? Why is it that solar system is drawn in one particulary way? The answer to all these questions are standardized ones. My point above is that numbers that are whole and easily divisible such as 1,800,000,000 are "clean numbers", coz you cando all sorts of calculations on them. Yes, we measure using ones, as you craftly pointed out. We also measure using tens, hundreds, thousands and millions. Thats why we look forward to articles which take the 1st place, tenth place, hundredth place, thousandth place, millionth place. The number 1,532,774 is the 1.532774 millionth article. That is more of an "ugly" number (ugly being that its not easily divisible nor whole) than 1.8 (as in 1.8 millionth article) coz 1.8 is an easier number to work with. Why do you think they make money in 100, or ten or 5 bills instead of 1.5344 bills? Coz clean numbers are easier to work with, and easier to relate to.

:::If you want "clean" numbers, then why not find out what the 2,097,152nd article is? It is a factor of two and binary is far "cleaner" than decimal. Or better yet, let's find the 1,759,943rd article, since that's a prime number. Why does he want to know? He's curious. Quit trying to explain why 1,800,000 is a nice number (to you), or what he needs with this information, and answer the question. Oh, and in case you care, 1,532,774 is by all means a whole number (hopefully you know what that means). [[User:Apeirophobia|<span style="color: #FF0000; font-weight: 100;">&#9824; &#0197;peirophobia &#9824;</span>]] 06:29, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

"Speed of Speak". Speak the number one million five hundred and thirty two thousand seven hundred seventy four. At the same time, have your friend say one point eight million. See who finishes speaking first. [[User:Trigam41|Trigam41]] 15:10, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

North and South are actually standard wherever you go, because the magnetic field doesn't just change around as you move around the globe.
: Yes it does: see [[magnetic north pole]]. It actually moves slightly more or less constantly, and there's the concept of [[magnetic reversal]]s as well. [[User:Titoxd|Tito<span style="color:#008000;">xd</span>]]<sup>([[User talk:Titoxd|?!?]] - [[WP:FAC|cool stuff]])</sup> 00:43, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
::but the general direction is the same.
:::I would guess that depends on how far away from the magnetic north pole you were when you started measuring.

It's only because you have ten fingers that you have bias towards these numbers! What if you had eleven ala the famous Dr. Seuss? [[User:70.17.200.56|70.17.200.56]] 02:59, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Then the standard would change. We have a counting system that is in base 10. I have no bias to ten, all of teh scientific and mathematical community prefer tens. Thats why we use Logarithms in Mathematics most commonly in base 10 or natural base of e. Look here people, I am not saying you are all wrong and I am right. Everything is relative, everything has been standardized. All dimensions in Physics require an origin. Numbers have an origin, its zero thats we say 1 which means a single unit away from the origin. Don't bother with pointless arguments. Why are you being insulting [[User:Apeirophobia|<span style="color: #FF0000; font-weight: 100;">&#9824; &#0197;peirophobia &#9824;</span>]]?
Of course I know what whole numbers mean. I took A level Maths and Further Mathematics and got an A grade. I have taken two semesters of Calculus in the United States, I am well accomplished in Mathematics. You seem to lack the understanding of how multiples of 10 in numbers like 1,800,000 are cleaner because they are easier to deal with. Your ridiculous number of 1,532,774 generates a remainder when trying to divide it into tens. Do you know what that means?[[User:Tourskin|Tourskin]] 19:18, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
:Just because a number is divisble by ten doesn't mean it's easier to work with. I can divide 10 into factors of 5 and 2 (and 10 and 1 I guess), but I can divide 12 by 6,4,3,2. A number being divisible by ten doesn't mean it's more useful. --[[user:ybbor|Ybbor]]<sup><font color="green">[[User Talk:Ybbor|Talk]]</font></sup> 21:48, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
::Yes, 12 and its multiples are much easier numbers to work with. For similar reasons, we do not buy eggs by the kilogram (rather, we count by the number of eggs), or firewood for that matter (rather, by volume). —[[User:Centrx|Centrx]]→[[User talk:Centrx|''talk'']]&nbsp;&bull; 22:35, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
:::My intent is not to insult, I'm just pointing out the flaw in arbitrarily claiming that 1,800,000 is a "clean" number. Yes, it's perspective. 1,800,000's nice because it's divisible by 10, but 2,097,152 can easily be written as 2^21, whereas 1,800,000 would be 2^6 x 3^2 x 5^5, making it much uglier to work with sometimes. If you're working with calculus, anything that's a multiple of e is far simpler (in fact, in higher levels of math, logarithms of base 10 are almost never used and the natural logarithm is commonly written as just "log"), and multiples of pi are heaven when exercising your trigonometry muscles. My point with the prime number was that it could be just as interesting to someone as the 1,800,000th article. The Pengrowth Saddledome in Calgary holds 19,289 people during a Flames game, which just so happens to be a prime number. I'm sure someone should find that interesting. And I tore at you for the "whole number" thing because it annoys me when people attempt to explain mathematical concepts and apply their terminology wrong. [[User:Apeirophobia|<span style="color: #FF0000; font-weight: 100;">&#9824; &#0197;peirophobia &#9824;</span>]] 23:19, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

: I am glad we have reached an understanding then. My final point is that when counting articles, its easier to work with tens. Yes, in calculus you heavily rely on Natural logarithms rather than the artificial base 10 logarithims and pie radians are heaven for trig. There are other pretty numbers too like 12 and 2^21 isn't too bad a number either. My point earlier got a little corrupted as I argued forward. 1,800,000 is an easy number to work with certainly, relative to say working with a number that was 3.945734848. There are certainly easier numbers. Also, why do we have "Who wants to be a millionare as opposed to who wants to be an e^15 aire?" That was the point I was just trying to explain why some people wanted to know what the 1,800,000th article was. There wasn't an argument about it when wikipedia reached 1,500,000 articles not too long ago.[[User:Tourskin|Tourskin]] 00:16, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

By the way I meant 1.8 million was a whole number.[[User:Tourskin|Tourskin]] 23:51, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

So does all of that discussion mean that nobody knows what the 1,800,000<sup>th</sup> article is? And also, I think that we should wait to continue this discussion when Wikipedia reaches 2 million articles and then see how easy that is to work with. Or maybe even 10 million, another new era. Or we should wait even longer until it reaches 100 million articles, if it ever happens. (I like "perfect" numbers that have only one digit and the rest are all 0's.) [[User:Powerfulmind|<font color="#FF0000">Po</font><font color="#00FF00">we</font><font color="#0000FF">rf</font><font color="#990099">ul</font><font color="#009999">mi</font><font color="#999900">nd</font>]] [[User talk:Powerfulmind|<sup><font color="#ABCDEF">please</font></sup><sub><font color="#FEDCBA">talk</font></sub><sup><font color="#DEFABC">to</font></sup><sub><font color="#CBAFED">me</font></sub>!]] [[Special:Contributions/Powerfulmind|<sup><font color="#FF0000">look</font></sup><sub><font color="#00FF00">at</font></sub><sup><font color="#0000FF">all</font></sup><sub><font color="#FFFF00">of</font></sub><sup><font color="#FF00FF">my</font></sup><sub><font color="#00FFFF">edits</font></sub>!]] 18:34, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
::A [[perfect number]] is something entirely different than what you said. Oh, long sig. --[[User:Ouro|Ouro]] <small>([[User_talk:Ouro|blah blah]])</small> 18:53, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

This is such a fun discussion and yet we did not answer the original question. I guess you can track what article no. 1,800,000 not what article reached that number first but what that article currently is.[[User:Tourskin|Tourskin]] 00:24, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Technically speaking, You could randomly pick any article and say it was article 180000 and you would be correct, as to which one reached it first, we'll never know [[User:Wardhog|Wardhog]] 20:13, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

:<font color="#FF0000">A.</font> What really is a perfect number?
:<font color="#00FF00">B.</font> When I said "perfect", I meant numbers that only have 1 unique digit, like 10,000,000 and not 1,800,000.
:<font color="#0000FF">C.</font> I figured out what the first article is! The [[Main Page]]! I know it doesn't help, but I just wanted to say something new!
:D. I like making things colorful. Please ignore the fact that the D has no weird color. [[User:Powerfulmind|<font color="#FF0000">Po</font><font color="#00FF00">we</font><font color="#0000FF">rf</font><font color="#990099">ul</font><font color="#009999">mi</font><font color="#999900">nd</font>]] [[User talk:Powerfulmind|<sup><font color="#ABCDEF">please</font></sup><sub><font color="#FEDCBA">talk</font></sub><sup><font color="#DEFABC">to</font></sup><sub><font color="#CBAFED">me</font></sub>!]] [[Special:Contributions/Powerfulmind|<sup><font color="#FF0000">look</font></sup><sub><font color="#00FF00">at</font></sub><sup><font color="#0000FF">all</font></sup><sub><font color="#FFFF00">of</font></sub><sup><font color="#FF00FF">my</font></sup><sub><font color="#00FFFF">edits</font></sub>!]] 20:32, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

You fail at trying to be funny... <small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:74.100.43.102|74.100.43.102]] ([[User talk:74.100.43.102|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/74.100.43.102|contribs]]) 21:58, 4 June 2007 (UTC{{{3|}}})</small>

:I wasn't trying to be funny, Mr. No-Signature. I only said I like making things colorful. [[User:Powerfulmind|<font color="#FF0000">Po</font><font color="#00FF00">we</font><font color="#0000FF">rf</font><font color="#990099">ul</font><font color="#009999">mi</font><font color="#999900">nd</font>]] [[User talk:Powerfulmind|<sup><font color="#ABCDEF">please</font></sup><sub><font color="#FEDCBA">talk</font></sub><sup><font color="#DEFABC">to</font></sup><sub><font color="#CBAFED">me</font></sub>!]] [[Special:Contributions/Powerfulmind|<sup><font color="#FF0000">look</font></sup><sub><font color="#00FF00">at</font></sub><sup><font color="#0000FF">all</font></sup><sub><font color="#FFFF00">of</font></sub><sup><font color="#FF00FF">my</font></sup><sub><font color="#00FFFF">edits</font></sub>!]] 22:40, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

::yeah, but your terminology is completely wrong. A perfect number is a number whose factors add up to the number. Eg. 6 has factors 1,2,and 3, which add up to 6. If you read the article it would make sense. <small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:RageGarden|RageGarden]] ([[User talk:RageGarden|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/RageGarden|contribs]]) 01:53, 5 June 2007 (UTC{{{3|}}})</small>

What does this chat have to do with the main page? --[[User:74.14.19.102|74.14.19.102]] 17:10, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

:<font color="#FF0000">A.</font> Good point, 74.14.19.102.
:<font color="#00FF00">B.</font> I don't care about what a "perfect" number really is. I'm just trying to make a point that I like numbers that have 1 unique digit with the rest 0's, no matter what they are called.
:<font color="#0000FF">C.</font> I'm not going to read the article because I don't care.
:D. Please remember to sign your posts with <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>. I hate it when people don't sign. It's so anonymous. [[User:Powerfulmind|<font color="#FF0000">Po</font><font color="#00FF00">we</font><font color="#0000FF">rf</font><font color="#990099">ul</font><font color="#009999">mi</font><font color="#999900">nd</font>]] [[User talk:Powerfulmind|<sup><font color="#ABCDEF">please</font></sup><sub><font color="#FEDCBA">talk</font></sub><sup><font color="#DEFABC">to</font></sup><sub><font color="#CBAFED">me</font></sub>!]] [[Special:Contributions/Powerfulmind|<sup><font color="#FF0000">look</font></sup><sub><font color="#00FF00">at</font></sub><sup><font color="#0000FF">all</font></sup><sub><font color="#FFFF00">of</font></sub><sup><font color="#FF00FF">my</font></sup><sub><font color="#00FFFF">edits</font></sub>!]] 19:31, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
:: Please remember that this talkpage is intended for discussions on topics related to the main page ''only''. I hate it when people go off topic. It's so annoying. --[[User:74.13.129.83|74.13.129.83]] 04:11, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

:::Good point, 74.13.129.83. This gave me a great idea. Let's create an article called [[For Talk Only]] and use it just for the [[Talk:For Talk Only|talk page]]. [[User:Powerfulmind|<font color="#FF0000">Po</font><font color="#00FF00">we</font><font color="#0000FF">rf</font><font color="#990099">ul</font><font color="#009999">mi</font><font color="#999900">nd</font>]] '''[[User talk:Powerfulmind|<sup><font color="#275481">please talk to me</font>!</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Powerfulmind|<sub><font color="#815427">look at all of my edits</font>!</sub>]]''' 11:07, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

:::: Go to [[WP:VP]]. It's not a chatroom, though. --[[User:74.14.20.186|74.14.20.186]] 13:25, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

:::::I would, but that means moving the entire chat there. And I don't want to do that. The chat can go anywhere, but it's best to keep it here so people can access it more easily than the Village Pump. And another thing. Why is it that every unlogged in user's IP address starts with 74? [[User:Powerfulmind|<font color="#FF0000">Po</font><font color="#00FF00">we</font><font color="#0000FF">rf</font><font color="#990099">ul</font><font color="#009999">mi</font><font color="#999900">nd</font>]] '''[[User talk:Powerfulmind|<sup><font color="#275481">please talk to me</font>!</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Powerfulmind|<sub><font color="#815427">look at all of my edits</font>!</sub>]]''' 20:59, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
::::::It is a US IP block, IIRC. Some start with 64, but most start with 74. [[User:Firefoxman|'''ffm''']] [[User talk:Firefoxman|'''✎<small>talk</small>''']] 21:37, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

== Loss of session data ==

Is it my computer or is something making edits to an article that much more of a pain?[[User:Tourskin|Tourskin]] 15:20, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
:Please file a [[WP:BUG|bug report]]. [[User:Firefoxman|'''ffm''']] [[User talk:Firefoxman|'''✎<small>talk</small>''']] 18:01, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

: Select "Remember me" when you log in, and make sure your browser has cookies enabled – [[User talk:Gurch|Gurch]] 12:46, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

== DYK's ==

9 DYK's is a bit too much. Sometimes theres barely more than 5. Why not "save them" and say put about 6 or why not put up a [[moving average]] number of DYK's? [[User:Tourskin|Tourskin]] 01:21, 5 June 2007 (UTC) Per day, I mean.
:DYKs are chosen to balance the two sides of the Main Page. More are added when there's a short FA blurb. So long as there are others to choose for the next update, it doesn't really matter. [[User:GeeJo|GeeJo]] <sup>[[User talk:GeeJo|(t)]]</sup>⁄<sub>[[Special:Contributions/GeeJo|(c)]]</sub> <small>&bull;&nbsp;02:20, 5 June 2007 (UTC)</small>
:: Actually, both ITN & OTD are one over their respective limit to counterbalance the two sides of the Main Page while DYK is excessively long. This is pushing POTD too far down. Please stick to the limits. --[[User:74.13.126.61|74.13.126.61]] 04:37, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps there should be the same size limit on all four main page boxes? So that no matter what resolution people view it in, they always balance. Since this main page balance thing is a chimera depending on end users' setups. Something like this guide on the project page to help editors check for size?:

<p style="color:red;">Entire section should fit inside red box</p>
<div style="height:25em;width:60ex;border:1px dotted red;padding:1ex;display:block;overflow:hidden;">
{{Did you know}}
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With all the technicalities worked out properly of course. --[[User talk:Monotonehell|Monotonehell]] 09:18, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

:I don't see the problem. I have tried viewing the Main Page using three different browsers on three different computers - and every way the page looks very balanced today. --[[User:Ghirlandajo|Ghirla]]<sup>[[User_talk:Ghirlandajo|-трёп-]]</sup> 14:32, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
:: Actually, Main Page looks very balanced today ''because'' other sections compensated by being longer than what's prescribed in their respective guidelines. DYK is getting longer and longer, forcing ITN & OTD to be longer and longer to maintain balance. It's worse when TFA happens to be long that day, too. POTD gets shoved further down. Please stay within the limits. --[[User:74.14.19.102|74.14.19.102]] 16:27, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
: Now if you'll replace the ever-lengthening ITN, DYK and OTD with a ''featured'' list, it'll give visitors more bang for their buck. --<b><font color="orange">[[User:Howard the Duck|<font color="#FFA500">Howard</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Howard the Duck|<font color="#FFA500">the</font>]] [[User talk:Howard the Duck|<font color="#FFA500">Duck</font>]]</font></b> 03:59, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
:::Not again! Advocacy for featured lists, HTD...psshhhhhhhhh. [[User:68.101.123.219|68.101.123.219]] 02:26, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

== Front page libelous! ==

"1968 - Sirhan Sirhan mortally shot U.S. Senator Robert F. Kennedy inside the kitchen pantry of The Ambassador Hotel in Los Angeles."

There is zero proof that it was Sirhan or Sirhan was alone. All independent (non-US-or-state-govt conducted) investigations conducted so far uniformly found that RFK's personal bodyguard was the only person who had the means and position to conduct the assasination, considering the type of handgun and angle of the shots. The bodyguard owned an exact same type and caliber weapon, which he later claimed to have lost or sold, but did not provide any proof, slip or lead. The famous door panel with bullet holes did disappear, etc. Very fishy indeed!

All in all, Wikipedia is the US gov't slave dog if it says on front page that Sirhan Sirhan killed Bobby Kennedy. In fairness the phrase "accused of" or controversially convicted" should be included in the text.

But of course since Sirhan is an arab, he is a lower being and cannot expect fair treatment from Wikipedia's overwhelming WASP posse! [[User:82.131.210.162|82.131.210.162]] 09:34, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

:[[WP:NOTTRUTH|This is the truth!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!]] --<b><font color="orange">[[User:Howard the Duck|<font color="#FFA500">Howard</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Howard the Duck|<font color="#FFA500">the</font>]] [[User talk:Howard the Duck|<font color="#FFA500">Duck</font>]]</font></b> 11:38, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

::Does Britannica have to put up with this? [http://www.britannica.com/ebc/article-9369052] [[User:Freshacconci|Freshacconci]] 12:17, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

::: If Britannica articles had wiki-style "Talk" pages or blog-style "Comments" sections, they certainly would. (Indeed, I wouldn't be surprised if they'd already considered such a "comment on this article" feature and rejected it for that reason) – [[User talk:Gurch|Gurch]] 12:44, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

::::"Overwhelmingly WASP posse"? Well, at least the phrasing of these comments stays fresh.
::::On a more serious note, to the topic starter: I think you'll find you get better results with a calm listing of objections, rather than hysterical ranting and accusations, which are usually just ignored.--[[User:Fyre2387|Fyre2387]] <sup>([[User talk:Fyre2387|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Fyre2387|contribs]])</sup> 14:14, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

:::The current frontpage entry reads: "1968 - Sirhan Sirhan mortally shot U.S. Senator Robert F. Kennedy inside the kitchen pantry of The Ambassador Hotel in Los Angeles."

:::I propose the entry should be rephrased as such: "1968 - U.S. Senator Robert F. Kennedy was assassinated inside the kitchen pantry of Ambassador Hotel, Los Angeles. Sirhan Sirhan was later convicted for the murder."

:::This way everybody could be happy and NPOV, as all info would still be mentioned, but the presentation would not carry the implied statement of Sirhan actually murdering RFK, just that he was convicted. As you know, many people are still convicted every year for capital crimes they did not commit and some guilty as sin do get away with most heinous murders, e.g. O. J. Simpson.

:::Oh and by the way it is a matter of fact that most Wikipedia contributors are white anglosaxons from USA and Britain, so no arabs can hope to get equal treatment here, because the arrogantly so-called "rest of the world" has fewer english speaking netizens than USA and UK. [[User:82.131.210.162|82.131.210.162]] 14:24, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
::::BTW, the front page also mentions that on this day in 47, George Marshall gave a speech that became the basis of the Marshall Plan to rebuild Germany and Japan following WWII. This should be re-written as "Following WWII, Germany and Japan were rebuilt. In 1947, George Marshall gave a speech suggesting that this was a good idea, and coincidentally, some of the rebuilding money was called "the Marshall plan" but it may or may not have been related to George Marshall". That should satisfy the NPOV needs of the "I didn't go to high school" crowd, ensuring equality for all wikipedia users, not just the ones with educations. - [[User:Chairboy|C<small>HAIRBOY]]</small> ([[User_talk:Chairboy|☎]]) 14:30, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
:::::How much you wanna bet Raul is going to give you the Brick of Common Sense for that brilliant reply? Oh, wait! He has :) Well said, and congrats for earning the brick. &mdash; '''[[User:Deckiller|Deckill]][[User talk:Deckiller|er]]''' 21:51, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
:::How do you know that ''most Wikipedia contributors are white anglosaxons from USA and Britain''? And even if that's the case, it's not surprising because this is just the English language Wikipedia, not ''the'' Wikipedia as you seem to think. I expect if you go to [[:tr:]], [[:fa:]], [[:ar:]], [[:he:]], etc you'll find different general views and ways of putting things to those you seem not to like here. [[User:Bazza 7|Bazza]] 15:08, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

: Suggestions to tweak the text on the main page should be posted at [[#Main page error reports]] above. --[[User:74.14.19.102|74.14.19.102]] 16:30, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

:So the fact that Sirhan Sirhan was holding the gun and had to have his finger broken to get it out of his grasp didn't mean anything? [[User:Corvus cornix|Corvus cornix]] 22:27, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

::Here you can look at the photo of the official memorial plaque affixed to the Texas Scoolbook Warehouse. You will note the word "allegedly shot" in front of Oswald's name. Therefore even autorities feel the need to present a balanced view even on a memorial plaque. Both Kennedy assassinations are very mysterious and thus deserve caution. Why do you think Wikipedia is smarter than government. Here is the photo, well visible: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/5c/IMG_1450.JPG.jpg

::It should also be noted that Sirhan's revolver did not have as many chambers as the number of shots recorded. Therefore he was either not alone or he was merely firing blanks to divert attention and somebody else did the actual killing. The Discovery Channel investigated and found RFK's personal bodyguard killed the attorney general from behind.

::Thirdly, en.wikipedia.org is not the anglosaxon wikipedia. It is the GLOBAL english language wikipedia, because english is one of the seven recognized world languages and therefore en.wikipedia.org should not carry WASP-leaning views, just because there are more atlantic people here than "rest-of-the-world". The british-american wikipedia is logically at en-us.wikipedia.org, contribute white man's burden influenced views there. The en.wikipedia.org should present all races with equal opportunity, this is where treatment of Sirhan Sirhan, an arab, on the front page is clearly a violation - since he was not given the benefit of "allegedly" or "controversially" where Oswald, a white caucasian was, as evidenced by the above photo'ed official plaque. [[User:82.131.210.162|82.131.210.162]] 11:27, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

:::I tried the link you gave - [http://en-us.wikipedia.org] - but it doesn't work. I don't much care for your racist attitude; nor your assumption that I or any of the other contributors above are white, American or British, or have an Anglosaxon heritage. [[User:Bazza 7|Bazza]] 12:56, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

wow. just wow. `[[User:71.236.105.175|71.236.105.175]] 18:51, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

:::This guy is a troll ''writ large''. Based on his history[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/82.131.210.162] he goes from page to page spewing hate for no apparent reason. Check out this lovely racist chestnut, it's real classy. [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Halo_2&diff=prev&oldid=133380949] How has this guy not gotten the boot yet? <span style="font-family:impact, serif;background:black;color:red;border-style:single;letter-spacing:1px">Bullzeye</span><small><sup><i>[[User talk:Bullzeye|Complaint Dept.]]/[[Special:Contributions/Bullzeye|Contribs)]]</i></sup></small> 22:15, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

== news ==

Is the [[Irish general election, 2007]] more important than the destruction of Eurasia's only [[Geyser Valley]]? It may well be doubted. Give us some air! Never-ending news about elections are inherently boring. --[[User:Ghirlandajo|Ghirla]]<sup>[[User_talk:Ghirlandajo|-трёп-]]</sup> 14:34, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

:It's just taken a while to fall off the bottom of the news items. At this stage it's also rather out of date as we've moved on to govt. formation, with only a week and a half left for parties and individuals to agree. [[User:Zoney|'''zoney''']] <span style="color:green; font-size:larger"> &#09827;</span> [[User talk:Zoney|'''talk''']] 14:40, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

::As for the new item you mentioned: relax. It was only propsoed a few hours ago, and ITN isn't updated magically. Patience, grasshopper.--[[User:Fyre2387|Fyre2387]] <sup>([[User talk:Fyre2387|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Fyre2387|contribs]])</sup> 14:44, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

:::My gripe is with the proliferation of political trivia in ITN, rather than with hot springs. For most people there can be nothing more boring than elections in tiny prosperous democratic countries such as Latvia and Ireland. Imho we should give more coverage to news from other fields of knowledge. --[[User:Ghirlandajo|Ghirla]]<sup>[[User_talk:Ghirlandajo|-трёп-]]</sup> 14:54, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
::::Ghirla, then your comments on the issues, concerns, and problems raised on [[Template talk:In the news|Loosen up the rules]] would be appreciated. Thanks. [[User:Zzyzx11|Zzyzx11]] [[User talk:Zzyzx11|(Talk)]] 15:00, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

::::Ghirla, while I agree that more science based items would be beneficial to ITN. I must say that insulting "tiny prosperous democratic countries" isn't going to help the cause. Election news is limited to only National election results, not "political trivia", we don't get into subjective calls on which country is more important than others. What we need rather than name calling, is people getting candidates up to encyclopaedic standard, and then suggesting them on the candidates' page. --[[User talk:Monotonehell|Monotonehell]] 17:13, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

::::: I fail to see how "tiny prosperous democratic country" qualifies as "name-calling" or "insult". That the news about elections in such countries are boring is a stern fact of life. I checked the page recommended by Zzyzx11 and found that some folks over there are seriously deluded about the purpose of the Main Page, leaving the ITN section to languish in its current sorry state. I had to leave this page in disgust, so as to let them to "highlight encyclopaedia" as they term it by posting thrilling "international" headlines about elections in Lesoto and Sierra Leone ad infinitum. Case closed. --[[User:Ghirlandajo|Ghirla]]<sup>[[User_talk:Ghirlandajo|-трёп-]]</sup> 17:34, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
::::: Actually I must apologise to you, I misread your "prosperous" as "preposterous". But the rest of what I said is still valid. A lot of people don't know of the consensus that has developed behind ITN, and the history, events and reasons for the consensus. Every guideline and practise that is upheld has a good reason for its existence. You're appearing very hot-headed and irrational about this by the way. --[[User talk:Monotonehell|Monotonehell]] 18:20, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
:::::: I discovered that there are no guidelines along the lines I was expected to follow. Not every practice "upheld" in the project is beneficial. For instance, I was told with an air of utmost authority that ITN is here to "highlight" the quality of encyclopaedia. No it's not. Its purpose is to link our readers to essential pages about ongoing events, however stubby these may be, so that they could be expanded by dint of collaborative effort. It's about collective work rather than about pleasing a group of formalistic, [[Wikipedia:Adminitis|adminitis]]-infected people who don't give a hoot about what's happening in mainspace. My favorite guideline in Wikipedia states that our encyclopaedia is not consistent, and that's its not really a defect. Consequently, let's stop building [[Potemkin villages]] on Main Page. --[[User:Ghirlandajo|Ghirla]]<sup>[[User_talk:Ghirlandajo|-трёп-]]</sup> 19:36, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
::::::: Why do you need extra guidelines to remind you that you need references in encyclopedia articles? --[[User:74.14.20.186|74.14.20.186]] 13:51, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
:: The problem is that admins in charge of ITN think they should give "mainspace people" enough time to expand a news article, to provide at least dozen references, and to make sure that enough people commented on the nomination, so that it would not be perceived as "controversial". A week may pass before the entry is "promoted"; by that time it is hopelessly stale. In other words, they replicate the DYK model, without understanding the fundamental difference between these templates. --[[User:Ghirlandajo|Ghirla]]<sup>[[User_talk:Ghirlandajo|-трёп-]]</sup> 06:43, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
:::Hang on, I'm not following you. DYK is to highlight new or newly unstubed articles. TFA is to showcase articles that are our best work. OTD is to highlight articles that have date specific events in them. So what does ITN do? --[[User talk:Monotonehell|Monotonehell]] 09:52, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
::::Traditionally ITN is not specifically new news headlines, but rather highlighting updated articles that pertain to subjects in the news. Hence the section is current, but not necessarily up to date. It's all rather ad-hoc at present, but then, so are most other areas of Wikipedia; given the "rules/guidelines/random mutterings" are ad-hoc. [[User:Zoney|'''zoney''']] <span style="color:green; font-size:larger"> &#09827;</span> [[User talk:Zoney|'''talk''']] 12:09, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
::::: Ad-hoc or no ad-hoc, the incident highlights the absence of ITN guidelines because the people responsible for this project are content to follow their own preconceptions and whims on the subject (claimed to represent "unwritten consensus" or something alone these lines). Of course it's easy to replicate the structure and rules of DYK without bothering to frame guidelines and to refer newbies to "unwritten guidelines" or "consensus" when inspiration strikes. I expect something more productive than constant appellations to "ad hoc", however. --[[User:Ghirlandajo|Ghirla]]<sup>[[User_talk:Ghirlandajo|-трёп-]]</sup> 12:50, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
::: Why would it take a week to write a short paragraph and add ''references''? DYK asks for more. --[[User:74.14.20.186|74.14.20.186]] 13:38, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
:::: [[Geyser Valley]] is more than a short paragraph, yet it is deemed inappropriately short and unreferenced on account of "unwritten guidelines" advocated by Monotonehell and others. --[[User:Ghirlandajo|Ghirla]]<sup>[[User_talk:Ghirlandajo|-трёп-]]</sup> 13:52, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
::::: "unwritten guidelines" is harsh words and that really alludes to the fact that the article is not in good shape and needs to be improved before it is showcased on the frontpage. Instead of complaining here, the efforts should be put in improving the article. [[Geyser Valley]] might have reached ITN by now if you've properly directed your energy. BTW, I support getting this on ITN. Beef up the article! I suggest a map and a ''free'' photo of the place before the mudslide. --[[User:74.14.20.186|74.14.20.186]] 14:01, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
:::::: [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Main_Page&diff=next&oldid=136355489 Your question] made me understand who you are. Please log in and then we shall talk. It's irritating to see your IP change every two minutes. --[[User:Ghirlandajo|Ghirla]]<sup>[[User_talk:Ghirlandajo|-трёп-]]</sup> 14:11, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
::::::: [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Main_Page&diff=next&oldid=136355489 That question] was a bad joke I shouldn't have made, and I do not think you understand who I am. Goodbye. --[[User:74.14.20.186|74.14.20.186]] 14:16, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
:::::: If I had sufficient interest in the subject, it would have been on DYK long ago.[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Anonymous_Dissident/List_of_Wikipedians_by_number_of_DYKs] I want to make a point that we don't link articles from Main Page to "showcase" something. Only featured stuff appears on Main Page to showcase the project. It is erronenous to "showcase" all other articles as well. As I recall, stubs have been banned from DYK in order to cut the ever increasing flood of nominations, rather than to "showcase" these articles. On the contrary, we bring articles to the attention of a wider audience in order to encourage their expansion and improval. That's the Main Page philosophy in a nutshell. --[[User:Ghirlandajo|Ghirla]]<sup>[[User_talk:Ghirlandajo|-трёп-]]</sup> 14:22, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
::::::: When you want to "bring articles to the attention of a wider audience in order to encourage their expansion and improval", and the articles are related to current events, try [[Portal:Current events]].
::::::: Is there an article on ''that'' "Main Page philosophy in a nutshell"? Original research? Any references? Now, really, goodbye. --[[User:74.14.20.186|74.14.20.186]] 14:50, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
::::::: I think you're missing the point. One of the reasons for all articles on the mainpage is bring them to highly them to a wider audience for improvement. This is true for TFA as well and it is why we don't protect them. I've never seen anyone make the suggestion that an article needs to reach a state where it doesn't need to be improved for it to be on ITN (or DYK, OTD etc). All articles that are on ITN, DYK and OTD generally can do with vast amounts of improvement. However, quite a number of people feel they have to reach a resonable standard before they are on ITN, DYK and OTD to be highlighted for improvement in the first place. This standard, as I've already pointed out, is quite clearly very different from the standard for featured articles. [[User:Nil Einne|Nil Einne]] 17:09, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

::::::::: I have never ever claimed that ITN items are expected to be on the par with featured articles. Please don't misrepresent my point of view. Your point about "a reasonable standard" is taken. However, this "reasonable standard" is a highly subjective concept. People who don't contribute to mainspace tend to have strange ideas about its standards, so feelings of "a number of people" are not the substitute for a guideline. They cannot and should not be relied on. Perhaps "a number of people" have different feelings, has it never occurred to you? --[[User:Ghirlandajo|Ghirla]]<sup>[[User_talk:Ghirlandajo|-трёп-]]</sup> 12:35, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

== Victoria train crash ==

Surely the train crash today should make the in the news, im all the other side of the world in Ireland so perhaps some-one a bit closer could write it up.[[User:Plokt|plokt]] 16:42, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
: See [[WP:ITN/C]] & [[Wikinews]]. --[[User:74.14.19.102|74.14.19.102]] 16:45, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

cheers[[User:Plokt|plokt]] 21:12, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

== Real Wiki Library ==

Wiki has a lot of very general and brief entries on subjects. However, it would be SO much better if people can start putting in BOOKS instead of mere paragraphs on a subject. Of course it would be books that can be distributed without violations.

To prove my point, the subject of philosophy has no where near the amount of information that would be needed to understand the subject. Nothing short of giving a comprehensive guide and host of all the BASIC books would make it helpful to understand the subject.

Please allow the automatic upload of PDF and/or text files to wiki <small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:Twinscythe|Twinscythe]] ([[User talk:Twinscythe|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Twinscythe|contribs]]) 21:06, 5 June 2007 (UTC{{{3|}}})</small>
:You may be interested in our sister project, [[Wikibooks]]. [[User:Corvus cornix|Corvus cornix]] 21:50, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

:Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, and not a database of books. But as Corvus cornix just mentionned there's wikibooks, but I beleive that's for community-written textbooks. However if you want to upload public domain books, you'd want to go to [[wikisource]]. --[[User:Dandin1|Dandin1]] 21:55, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

:: I wonder why User:Twinscythe didn't know about Wikibooks and Wikisource. It's probably because TFA & DYK are excessively long, forcing ITN & OTD to be also long just to balance the two sides on the main page, then forcing POTD down, and then shoving the section on the sister projects so far down that he/she misses them.
:: Please stick to the limits. --[[User:74.13.129.83|74.13.129.83]] 04:31, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

::: While sticking to the limits may be wise I question your claims. Wikinews is linked to in ITN and it's usually visible with scrolling but we still get lots of people who don't know about wikinews and think ITN is wikinews. The fact is that most people only give the main page a cursory glance and therefore miss things even if they are fairly prominent and this holds true even when people decide to come here to complain about something [[User:Nil Einne|Nil Einne]] 05:31, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
:::: Actually, the link to Wikinews is at the bottom of ITN, just above OTD. --[[User:74.14.20.186|74.14.20.186]] 13:31, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
::::: Exactly, so it's easily visible. And the fact that people are still missing it suggests that in fact the biggest reason why Twinscythe and others aren't aware of wikibooks, wikisource and wikinews is not because the links aren't visible enough. But because most people only give a cursory glance to the main page and only take in what they think is important which sadly isn't links to other wikiprojects most of the time. Therefore, while keeping to the limits is a good idea, it's not likely to have that great an effect on whether people notice our links to wikisource and wikibooks [[User:Nil Einne|Nil Einne]] 16:55, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
:::::: It's hard not to think that the excessively long layout makes things at the bottom less visible and less accessible. Not everyone will scroll all the way down. --[[User:74.14.19.65|74.14.19.65]] 04:35, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

== National Slayer Day ==

That's tomorrow, June 6th. Will wikipedia mention it on its main page?
[[User:70.59.74.162|70.59.74.162]] 22:00, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
:Nope. To American-centric, Not a recongnized holiday, Run by fans, and not in the [[Slayer ]] article. And, where would it go? [[WP:OTD]]? [[User:Firefoxman|'''ffm''']] [[User talk:Firefoxman|'''✎<small>talk</small>''']] 00:17, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
::I was going to ask WTF National Slayer Day is but from the sound of things I'm glad not to know. Anyway Slayer is a FA which has not yet been TFA and a request was put in to feature it today but it was not featured for whatever reason (perhaps we've had too many pop culture stuff of late). You could wait until next year and ask for it again. In any case, we still won't mention National Slayer Day because it doesn't appear to be prominent enough that it should be mentioned in the Slayer summary [[User:Nil Einne|Nil Einne]] 05:35, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

== Featured Portal ==

Would it be possible to put a featured portal of the month on the main page? It wouldn't have to contain any text from the portal...just a link in the upper right where the main portals are listed would suffice. I think the formatting could work, and it would be pretty unobtrusive, yet simultaneously a good motivator for bringing portals up to featured status. [[User:67.86.86.217|67.86.86.217]] 04:43, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

:See [[Talk:Main Page/Archive 98#Portals on the mainpage]]. --[[User:74.13.129.83|74.13.129.83]] 04:55, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Hm. Would it be too horrible to transclude a featured portal below the current Main Page? -- [[User:Maveric149|mav]] 14:20, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

== DYK & ITN ==

ITN has too much old news and needs pruning. DYK has too many new items and wants more space. Let's put them both on the right side. ITN can stay short and leave lots of space for DYK. This way, we'll have less problem balancing the two sides on the main page. OTD used to be beneath TFA, anyways. --[[User:74.13.129.83|74.13.129.83]] 04:46, 6 June 2007 (UTC)



== about excel ==

you have got a wide variety of info but you need to include more on offoce software and other programs {{unsigned2|01:54, 7 June 2007 |210.7.25.106 }}
:Hi, generally you should make comments about an article on its own discussion page, not here. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia that anyone can edit. If you'd like to see more information why not consider adding it yourself? --[[User talk:Monotonehell|Monotonehell]] 02:21, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
:We have a very good, in fact a featured article all about [[Excel Saga|Excel]]. ;) —'''[[User:Dark Shikari|<font color="#0000bb">Da<font color="#000066">rk<font color="#000022">•S</font>hik</font>ari</font>]]'''<sup>[[User talk:Dark Shikari|[T]]]</sup> 03:06, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
:Actually we already generally cover software in a great amount of detail and our main failing is probably more in areas like history, anthropology, country info etc of the developing world, particularly African and the non English speaking developing world... I've also noticed our coverage of some areas of biology appears fairly slim at this is probably true for most of the sciences [[User:Nil Einne|Nil Einne]] 05:52, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
::And some of the science/math articles that do exist are inaccessible to layfolk due to a lack of a simple introduction paragraph. --[[User talk:Monotonehell|Monotonehell]] 14:36, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
:::Actually this probably applies to a lot of computer related articles as well except most of us are too geeky to notice :-P [[User:Nil Einne|Nil Einne]] 17:11, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
::::LOL yes. --[[User talk:Monotonehell|Monotonehell]] 17:28, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

== News? ==

No mention of the [[Anaheim Ducks]] winning the Stanley Cup? It's a major sporting event, especailly in Canada and I remember when other league's championships were decided they had something about them on it. --[[User:206.163.228.33|206.163.228.33]] 18:25, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
:Please make a [[WP:ITN/C|request]]. [[User:Firefoxman|'''ffm''']] [[User talk:Firefoxman|'''✎<small>talk</small>''']] 19:04, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
::It has been posted but after a looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong time sitting on the [[WP:ITN/C]] page. --''[[User:Howard the Duck|<font color="#FFA500">Howard</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Howard the Duck|<font color="#FFA500">the</font>]] [[User talk:Howard the Duck|<font color="#FFA500">Duck</font>]]''' 03:07, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

== Alzheimer Dieses ==

What is Process in Alzheimer Dieses memory failure? As I understand memory process information in 3 stages i.e encode, recode and retrieve. Is there any information ?

[[User:Mukund Mehta|Mukund Mehta]] 20:02, 7 June 2007 (UTC)Mukund Mehta
:Try reading the [[Alzheimer's disease]] article. If that doesn't help, try the reference desk ([[Wikipedia:Reference Desk/Science]]) [[User:Nil Einne|Nil Einne]] 20:24, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

== Donations sentence problem ==

The "Your continued donations keep Wikipedia running!" is overlaping with the main banner a slight bit. Its not a bad problem but it would be nice if somebody fixed it :) -[[User:Icewedge|''Ĭ'''''₠'''ŴΣĐ''ĝё'']] 22:30, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

: See [[Talk:Main Page/Archive 96#Timestamp overlap]]. --[[User:74.14.19.65|74.14.19.65]] 05:01, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

== Radical proposal to help our Wikimedia sister projects ==

The [[m:Wikimedia brand survey]] discussion has had me thinking, and what I think we need is a better way to promote our Wikimedia sister projects ([[Wiktionary]], [[Wikinews]], [[Wikisource]] etc.), you know, the ones languishing on the bottom of the other side of this page. I have this crazy feeling that ''people just don't pay attention to the bottom'' and that if we moved them to the top, we might just see the leverage of this page propel some projects that are struggling a little into projects that could really thrive with more participation. I know, I know, this will be ''different'', and it ''just won't feel right'' to some of us, but please just look at the [[User:Pharos/Demo|the demo]] (not a finished idea at all, just an idea of placement), and decide for yourself whether or not this can help us further our larger goals at Wikimedia. Thanks.--[[User:Pharos|Pharos]] 06:32, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
: This might work, if there were a way to make the vertical space used by the {{tl|WikipediaSister}} template much smaller. Perhaps by removing the mottos and shrinking icons? [[User:Titoxd|Tito<span style="color:#008000;">xd</span>]]<sup>([[User talk:Titoxd|?!?]] - [[WP:FAC|cool stuff]])</sup> 06:37, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
::A definite possibility.--[[User:Pharos|Pharos]] 12:44, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
:Main page probably isn't the biggest advert for our sister projects. I'd say the in article templates do a lot more to alert people to them - [[Atheism#External_links|for example]]. --[[User talk:Monotonehell|Monotonehell]] 06:40, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
::Well, there is the [[The Long Tail|long tail]] and all, but the MainPage is still a pretty big draw — certainly the equivalent of many thousands of dollars in advertising at least. And of course, it would be a considerably bigger advert for the projects if they were placed more prominently.--[[User:Pharos|Pharos]] 12:44, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
:As I've mentioned above, wikinews isn't just at the bottom of the side of the page but most people still seem to miss it. [[User:Nil Einne|Nil Einne]] 07:29, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
::Wikinews is pretty well-hidden in that ITN box, I'd say. We probably get even less clicks from that link than from the one at the bottom.--[[User:Pharos|Pharos]] 12:44, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
:::Agreed. Main Page advertising would really help. What about linking to Wikinews in [[Template:Current]]? [[User:Blood Red Sandman|<font color="red">'''Blood Red Sandman'''</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Blood Red Sandman|<font color="red">(Talk)</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Blood Red Sandman|<font color="red">(Contribs)</font>]]</sup> 16:53, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

== Atheism picture ==

Anyone find it odd that the illustration comes from the Bible? [[User:209.190.233.125|209.190.233.125]] 13:32, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
:Ironic, but still illustrative of the word in original Greek usage. It's not an easy subject to have an image for. —[[User:Cuivienen|Cuiviénen]] 14:48, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
::Not that the blurb ''requires'' an illustration, since the article concerns a difficult-to-photograph philosophical notion. ˉˉ<sup>[[User:Anetode|'''anetode''']]</sup>[[User_talk:Anetode|╦╩]] 15:02, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
:::[[Talk:Atheism/Archive_34#Symbol?|Oh yes, don't I know...]] [[User:Raul654|Raul654]] 17:06, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

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