Talk:Xbox 360

Backward compatibility

Does anyone know what this actually means? Binary backward compatibility sounds highly unlikely given the CPU change -- emulation would probably be infeasible. Are they sure they don't mean that they're going to maintain API backward compatibility so most games can simply be recompiled for the PPC target and re-released as "classic" Xbox games?

They can currently emulate the Xbox in the Xbox360, however there are legal obsticles to be able to emulate certain functionality that the Nvidia GPU and Intel CPU currently offer. Microsoft is in an awkward position because they don't own the designs for all the components of the current Xbox, a mistake they rectified with the 360. In order to offer backwards compatibility on key games Microsoft has 2 choices:

1. License the Nvidia and Intel technologies to emulate the features required to offer backwards compatibility.

2. Preinstall compilied executables for key games right on the hard-drive, and use the assets from the original DVD.

In my opinion if Microsoft did license the emulation capabilities they would offer backwards support for the pretty much the entire collection. This makes it look like they will provide compability executables right on the 360, which could also benefit from things like better frame rates. - Trevor Fuson

I like Linux as much as the next guy however...

The statement about not having a hard drive on its basic unit: "and hindering Xbox Linux (http://www.xbox-linux.org/) from running" is not proven. Microsoft hasn't stated that there will be no hard drive or the rumor of having multiple versions of the next Xbox. I will only get rid of Xbox Linux statement because it is not a NPOV. The hard drive could also be used as pirated tool. I think Microsoft would be worried about game piracy that takes money away from them with license fees than having an user using a different operating system on their video game console system. --Anonymous Cow 19:18, 10 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I agree with cows statement about hard drive use for piracy, most of the people i know (who have the right know how) use or know about using the hard drive for mods and emulators. Recently i read an article about miscrosoft employeeing a company to create security measures for xbox 2, this is not official but given the easily modified xbox reputation i would believe microsoft has the resources to do it. -Tik

I agree, running Linux on the XBox is NOT what Microsoft is concerned with. They are concerned that a hard drive makes copying games fun and easy. While Microsoft as a whole is pretty anti-Linux, I hardly think that is the focus of the people designing the game system. MicahMN | Talk 07:48, 8 May 2005 (UTC)

Detailed Xbox 2 specs leak

There is a "purported leak" at [1]. I don't know how real it is, but it sounds interesting and is quite detailed. Thue | talk 13:55, 29 Jul 2004 (UTC)

I heard from some game developers for the next gen consoles that they are using high end Nvidia chips for dev and testing because ATI ones do not support some features that will be used...

-anon.

Some pics, via SlashDot

http://www.maxconsole.com/?mode=comments&newsid=2584 132.205.15.4 19:57, 13 Sep 2004 (UTC)

ourcolony.net

add [2] site reference. User:200.172.115.194

What does this have to do with the next Xbox? I don't get it. Theres nothing there and the website is not registered to Microsoft. K1Bond007 18:00, Apr 7, 2005 (UTC)

This might be a viral marketing campaign. Read this Gamespot article for more information. TerokNor 22:13, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Since it's being picked up by other news places I reverted it back. It's funny how most sites reporting on it have no idea even if Microsoft is behind it. Seems fishy to me. K1Bond007 04:24, Apr 8, 2005 (UTC)

It is a viral marketing campaign for the next xbox, similarly to the Ilovebees campaign for Halo 2, and yep it is pretty legit. Dracmir 5:42 PM May 9, 2005

Image

The image of the "prototype" should be removed and I am planning to do so soon. This is Wikipedia afterall. An encyclopedia. The first image is obviously not a final system design, and was made by an anonymous user on the Internet. It's a fake. It has no credibility and is not factual. Two things I think are required for an encyclopedia. The second image, holds a little more credibility given the source, so that, for the time being is ok to leave - though it's just going to get deleted in a months time. K1Bond007 18:02, Apr 12, 2005 (UTC)

This image is strong rumor, internal prototype. Of course when the final version shows will be changed.

Xbox 360 name confirmed

GamesIndustry report --Mateusc 22:41, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)

When Microsoft actually confirms this as fact on May 12, we'll have the page moved. BTW, to escape the possibility of any problems with copyrights I removed the text you posted and just left the link to the article. Copying and pasting the whole thing is most likely a no-no. Just FYI. Wikipedia:Copyrights K1Bond007 22:53, Apr 13, 2005 (UTC)

IGN Xbox 360 launch - xbox360.ign.com - MS VP says about Xbox 360. --Mateusc 12:50, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)

MTV spot

http://outerspace.terra.com.br/videos/xbox360_mtv_spot.mov

http://www.outerspace.com.br/imgs_os/news/2005/xbox360_mtv_1.gif http://www.outerspace.com.br/imgs_os/news/2005/xbox360_mtv_2.gif --Mateusc 02:08, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Engadget is confirming this is what the next Xbox will look like

http://www.engadget.com/entry/1234000293041091/ --Chill Pill Bill 03:03, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Gamespot confirmed today, is internal prototype.

Hard drive?

Why does it say 40 GB on it? • Thorpe • 09:01, 1 May 2005 (UTC)

Do you remember The Register's [speculation] article about two or more versions of the X360? That could be the version with the hard disk....—Quickbreak 12:25, 4 May 2005 (UTC)

That is the removable 40 GB hard-drive which would is beleived to be sold separately (at least in the cheapest version of the system). Dracmir 5:52PM May 9, 2005

The hard drive will be grant retro-compability (Xbox 1 games) giving apropriated software instaled for this. --Mateusc 23:59, 9 May 2005 (UTC)

Announcement

Tomorrow after the airing the unveiling is over (see dates and times) the section should, IMHO be removed. K1Bond007 02:13, May 13, 2005 (UTC)

Well, it will probably be changed to past-tense. • Thorpe • 07:11, 13 May 2005 (UTC)

But do we really need to have a list of the times and dates in which it ran internationally? I think saying it premiered in North America at ### is good enough. K1Bond007 15:57, May 13, 2005 (UTC)

Is this line really necessary: "Note that, in order to comply with ITC regulations regarding the advertisement of videogames and consoles, the UK showing had to be heavily edited. As a result, it featured few images of the Xbox 360 console and its games." I have to say the one that aired in the U.S. had few images of the console and its games. I'm not so sure it was because of regulations. The MTV thing was just horrible and seriously a waste of time. K1Bond007 21:45, May 13, 2005 (UTC)

The UK one managed to have fewer, according to people who've seen both. I'll admit it's not proven that ITC regs were responsible, but shows in general have to be very limited in the amount of videogames hardware and footage shown in order to avoid being classed as an advertisement feature. It's been a big problem for shows like Game Stars Live. It's a disposable comment however and it couldn't hurt to remove it or turn it into a general one: stating that the show (in all regions) featured little footage of the console and its games. Sockatume 01:52, 14 May 2005 (UTC)

Ok. I was concerned that it might not be true considering how stupid the MTV special thing was :) I just couldn't imagine one with less content. K1Bond007 03:32, May 14, 2005 (UTC)

Hard Drive included?

On the XBox 360 web site, under Xbox 360 System Performance Specifications, in the Storage section, it lists a "Detachable and upgradeable 20GB hard drive", which sounds to me like the 20GB HD is included. Agree?

Yeah.. see [3] K1Bond007 03:12, May 13, 2005 (UTC)

Impressive new image

Like the new image for the Xbox 360. Well done to whoever contributed this. • Thorpe • 20:13, 13 May 2005 (UTC)

1 TFLOPS?

On the official Xbox 360 site it says

Overall System Floating-Point Performance * 1 teraflop

However the wikipedia site has 1 teraflop under the CPU section. Can someone who knows more decide whether the 1 TFLOPs is CPU only, or CPU + GPU? -- Zaak (unsigned)

• Good point. I'm not a computer hardware expert but I think you're correct because the "Overall System Floating-Point Performance" table row appears after they mention the CPU, GPU, and memory detail specifications. --Chill Pill Bill 16:05, 14 May 2005 (UTC)

• • Sorry about that edit-and-then-put-back there, somehow I read two Ses on the end making it TFLOPSs. I'm sleep deprived. Sockatume 19:27, 17 May 2005 (UTC)

"Green circles logo"

Green circles logo

Green circles logo

I've removed this image as I've seen no evidence of it being an official logo and it doesn't fit in with any other imagery. violet/riga (t) 16:20, 14 May 2005 (UTC)

Delete Rumor Section

The last two rumors have already been confirmed as being real and the first one could easily be placed in the intro section, I am going to erase the rumor section and add the first rumor to the intro. Dracmir 12:19pm May 14, 2005

Agreed, the former could be "No retail price has been announced, however rumour blah blah", and the other two have sufficient supporting evidence. Sockatume 16:22, 14 May 2005 (UTC)

The controller Windows Longhorn compatibility isn't confirmed yet. I think that rumors section rumors would have to come back and inside of it re-to place "Backwards Compatibility" --Mateusc 16:06, 15 May 2005 (UTC)

With E3 so close, I'd rather just leave the rumors off the page and wait till everything is announced. By E3, you'll know about the price, the compatibility with Windows, and if it will be backward compatible. It's not worth creating a rumor section again for. K1Bond007 18:38, May 15, 2005 (UTC)

Controller

Is the button in the middle of the controller not a trackball? 66.52.195.144 16:17, 16 May 2005 (UTC)

It's a big, flat, button, so no, it's not a trackball as had been rumoured. It'd be practically impossible to use as a trackball in that position anyway. Sockatume 20:06, 16 May 2005 (UTC)

No Internet Browsing capability on new XBox

Sony announced its new PS3 will have Internet Browsing capability, a feature lacking in the new XBox 360. This will be a complete drawback for consumers since we all enjoy browsing the Net, and if XBox 360 doesn't offer it then I'd rather wait for PS3! ok

Removed: Overall System Floating-Point Performance

• 1 TFLOP <- original text

No. A 1 TFLOP machine can possibly enter the world's top 500 list (http://www.top500.org/lists/plists.php?TB=5&M=11&Y=2004). This section is totally wrong. -- Toytoy 14:15, May 17, 2005 (UTC)

• • Unfortunately, you are the one that is mistaken. The Top 500 list is based on SUSTAINED Dual-Precision FLOPS. Sony and MS are using peak FLOPS, and that includes ops from the GPU pipelines. Terrapin 22:13, 17 May 2005 (UTC)