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I’ve been familiar with User:Vision Thing for a while. We go back in a way because he was the user who had me banned for a day during a minor edit conflict on the [[collectivism]] article. |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Full_Shunyata#3RR |
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I’ve seen him in action and I notice that his main tactic of dealing with dissenting opinions from his anarcho-capitalist ideas is to start edit wars to goad the person into breaking the 3rr law so he can have them banned to keep them from interfering with his POV editing. If that doesn’t work, he demands for them to talk to him. If the person feels he is being less than NPOV, he will throw Wikipedia laws in their face such as assuming good faith as if to imply that he will have them banned for supposedly breaking those rules. He did it to my userpage on more than one occasion: |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Full_Shunyata#Your_recent_edits |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Full_Shunyata#Personal_attack |
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As you can see, he seemed to be trying to catch me doing something, anything outside of Wikipedia by-laws in order to have an excuse to report me to an admin. His remarks even seemed to be trying to goad me into verbally attacking him so he would have an excuse to report me. He even claimed: |
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:''” Accusing Intangible of "being intellectually dishonest and having selective memory to push POV" is clear example of personal attack. Accusations of stalking aren't far either.”’’ -- Vision Thing -- 20:30, 1 May 2007 |
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Now since when has suspecting other members of being dishonest been considered a “personal attack”? And as you can see, he seemed to be very privy on my conversations with [[User:Intangible2.0]]. If Vision Thing is a seperate editor from Intangible, why does he care so much what I say to him and why was he so knowledgeable of our conversation? Keep in mind that Intangible is another anarcho-capitalist editor who is suspected of being a sockpuppet due to his aggressive and POV-style editing and personal vendetta against social anarchists. Specifically anarcho-communists. |
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He also has a habit of lending aid to Billy Ego/RJII sockpuppets/meatpuppets who troll Wikipedia editing articles to reflect sharp anarcho-capitalist and right-wing libertarian point of views. He seems to have a particular obsession with the [[Benjamin Tucker]], [[individualist anarchism]], [[collectivism]], and [[mutualism (economic theory)|mutualist anarchism]] pages. |
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Here is one recent incident of him lending aid to a Billy Ego clone (Illegal editor) who was aggressively editing the Benjamin Tucker page to reflect anarcho-capitalist POVs: |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Benjamin_Tucker&action=history |
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Specifically here: |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Benjamin_Tucker&diff=140789095&oldid=140107022 |
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And here where he is trying to make it appear that Tucker converted to anarcho-capitalism late in life and takes out the quote from Tucker in late life supporting anarchistic socialism: |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Benjamin_Tucker&diff=133853987&oldid=133853823 |
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And he was quite privy to insert this after Billy Ego's clones "Plant a tree", "Level basis" and "Ando Fern" were banned and could no longer keep up the POV edit wars with Etcetc. |
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And another time on June 19 where he ran in to lend aid to Illegal editor who was making very Original Research edits to the [[collectivist anarchism]] article: |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Collectivist_anarchism&diff=139160886&oldid=139137075 |
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Once Ilegal editor was banned, he went to work re-inserting all of Illegal editor’s edits. He also seems to have a particular obsession with trying to “prove” that individualist anarchism is not a form of socialism because the definition of socialism has supposed “changed over time”. He does this even though virtually every other editor has come to a consensus that the meaning of “socialism” has not changed and there has always been more than one definition of socialism and that anti-capitalist individualist anarchists such as Benjamin Tucker define “socialism” the same way as other libertarian socialists. You can see he has been making quite POV edits against Bobfrombrockley, Etctec and myself in the [[libertarian socialism]] article, even claiming that libertarian socialism is not a form of anarchism: |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Libertarian_socialism&action=history |
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As you can see with the [[collectivism]] article, he took out several of my edits for no reason other than editing the article to reflect an anarcho-capitalist or individualistic POV perception of horizontal collectivism: |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Collectivism&diff=141602723&oldid=141294027 |
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He has even apparently wiki-stalked me at times. In one period in late April of this year, he went around Wikipedia systematically reverting all my edits for no apparent reason other than to contradict me. He claimed that he wasn’t, but most of his edits were to articles that I had recently edited. This can be seen most clearly in this mysterious random and never explained spurious edit to the [[coordinatorism]] article right after I edited it: |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Coordinatorism&action=history |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Coordinatorism&diff=125611297&oldid=125026876 |
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Infinity0 can also testify similar random edits and reversions made by Vision Thing for no reason other than to contradict. Soon after his wiki-stalking failed to stop me, he went after my user page in early May. |
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Outside of his edits on the [[collectivism]] and [[libertarian socialism]] articles, his most POV edits were on the [[types of socialism]] article where he seemed to have an allergy to any mention of socialism when talking about individualist anarchism. Hardly adhering to NPOV given that it is consensus that Tucker and others like him were libertarian socialists: |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Types_of_socialism&action=history |
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Whenever it is mentioned that an indiviudalist anarchist is opposed to capitalism, he seems to feel an overwhelming need to mention that they were also opposed to "collectivism" or "communism". As if being opposed to capitalism automatically makes one a communist or in favor of collective ownership: |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Benjamin_Tucker&diff=125935182&oldid=125933963 |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Types_of_socialism&diff=127507039&oldid=127506886 |
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Other examples can be seen where he attempts to show that individualist anarchists are simply market anarchists or precursors to anarcho-capitalism who are "confused" by the "outdated" Labor Theory of Value. |
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And here he is linking Socialism with Nazism in the [[types of socialism]] article: |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Types_of_socialism&diff=84479916&oldid=84476808 |
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And let us not forget his unprincipled reversions on the [[anarchism]] page such as here where he made it seem as if anarchists are not opposed to authoritarian relationships, hierarchy or centralized organization: |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Anarchism&diff=141597802&oldid=141596250 |
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And here where he removed all mentions of socialism about Tucker’s philosophy even though the material was sourced and from Tucker himself: |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Anarchism&diff=140776653&oldid=140776200 |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Anarchism&diff=140775632&oldid=140730996 |
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And the [[anarchism and capitalism]] page where he reverted many of my edits simply because he didn’t agree with anti-capitalist anarchist views about anarcho-capitalism. Even after I explained to him that the edits were showing ‘’’anti-capitalist anarchist opinions’’’ about anarcho-capitalism, ‘’’not’’’ pretending to be an objective analysis of anarcho-capitalism: |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Anarchism_and_capitalism&action=history |
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He took out sourced material simply because he didn’t agree with it. Even though it was an anti-capitalist OPINION about anarcho-capitalism, not an objective, scholarly analysis of anarcho-capitalism. |
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Since his first day here he has not made a single NPOV edit (I have made several edits where I have compromised with anarcho-capitalists and others). He had something of a close editing relationship with banned member “Anarcho-capitalism” and he even took it upon himself to copy and upkeep User:Anarcho-capitalism’s extensive “Anarcho-capitalism for Dummies” project which is a scathing polemic against social anarchists and was subject of much ire for several admins during Anarcho-capitalism’s arbitrartion who viewed it as using Wikipedia like Myspace. Even though he doesn’t share User:A-C’s IP address (which doesn’t mean much because Billy Ego admitted that he uses a flexible proxy address and can change it at will) his opinions, political ideology, editing style and articles of interest line up with RJII’s, Anarcho-capitalism’s and Billy Ego’s to the T. |
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He is certainly a highly suspicious editor if he is not a sockpuppet. [[User:Full Shunyata|Full Shunyata]] 00:30, 10 July 2007 (UTC) |
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I’ve been familiar with User:Vision Thing for a while. We go back in a way because he was the user who had me banned for a day during a minor edit conflict on the collectivism article.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Full_Shunyata#3RR
I’ve seen him in action and I notice that his main tactic of dealing with dissenting opinions from his anarcho-capitalist ideas is to start edit wars to goad the person into breaking the 3rr law so he can have them banned to keep them from interfering with his POV editing. If that doesn’t work, he demands for them to talk to him. If the person feels he is being less than NPOV, he will throw Wikipedia laws in their face such as assuming good faith as if to imply that he will have them banned for supposedly breaking those rules. He did it to my userpage on more than one occasion:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Full_Shunyata#Your_recent_edits
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Full_Shunyata#Personal_attack
As you can see, he seemed to be trying to catch me doing something, anything outside of Wikipedia by-laws in order to have an excuse to report me to an admin. His remarks even seemed to be trying to goad me into verbally attacking him so he would have an excuse to report me. He even claimed:
- ” Accusing Intangible of "being intellectually dishonest and having selective memory to push POV" is clear example of personal attack. Accusations of stalking aren't far either.”’’ -- Vision Thing -- 20:30, 1 May 2007
Now since when has suspecting other members of being dishonest been considered a “personal attack”? And as you can see, he seemed to be very privy on my conversations with User:Intangible2.0. If Vision Thing is a seperate editor from Intangible, why does he care so much what I say to him and why was he so knowledgeable of our conversation? Keep in mind that Intangible is another anarcho-capitalist editor who is suspected of being a sockpuppet due to his aggressive and POV-style editing and personal vendetta against social anarchists. Specifically anarcho-communists.
He also has a habit of lending aid to Billy Ego/RJII sockpuppets/meatpuppets who troll Wikipedia editing articles to reflect sharp anarcho-capitalist and right-wing libertarian point of views. He seems to have a particular obsession with the Benjamin Tucker, individualist anarchism, collectivism, and mutualist anarchism pages.
Here is one recent incident of him lending aid to a Billy Ego clone (Illegal editor) who was aggressively editing the Benjamin Tucker page to reflect anarcho-capitalist POVs:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Benjamin_Tucker&action=history
Specifically here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Benjamin_Tucker&diff=140789095&oldid=140107022
And here where he is trying to make it appear that Tucker converted to anarcho-capitalism late in life and takes out the quote from Tucker in late life supporting anarchistic socialism:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Benjamin_Tucker&diff=133853987&oldid=133853823
And he was quite privy to insert this after Billy Ego's clones "Plant a tree", "Level basis" and "Ando Fern" were banned and could no longer keep up the POV edit wars with Etcetc.
And another time on June 19 where he ran in to lend aid to Illegal editor who was making very Original Research edits to the collectivist anarchism article:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Collectivist_anarchism&diff=139160886&oldid=139137075
Once Ilegal editor was banned, he went to work re-inserting all of Illegal editor’s edits. He also seems to have a particular obsession with trying to “prove” that individualist anarchism is not a form of socialism because the definition of socialism has supposed “changed over time”. He does this even though virtually every other editor has come to a consensus that the meaning of “socialism” has not changed and there has always been more than one definition of socialism and that anti-capitalist individualist anarchists such as Benjamin Tucker define “socialism” the same way as other libertarian socialists. You can see he has been making quite POV edits against Bobfrombrockley, Etctec and myself in the libertarian socialism article, even claiming that libertarian socialism is not a form of anarchism:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Libertarian_socialism&action=history
As you can see with the collectivism article, he took out several of my edits for no reason other than editing the article to reflect an anarcho-capitalist or individualistic POV perception of horizontal collectivism:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Collectivism&diff=141602723&oldid=141294027
He has even apparently wiki-stalked me at times. In one period in late April of this year, he went around Wikipedia systematically reverting all my edits for no apparent reason other than to contradict me. He claimed that he wasn’t, but most of his edits were to articles that I had recently edited. This can be seen most clearly in this mysterious random and never explained spurious edit to the coordinatorism article right after I edited it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Coordinatorism&action=history
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Coordinatorism&diff=125611297&oldid=125026876
Infinity0 can also testify similar random edits and reversions made by Vision Thing for no reason other than to contradict. Soon after his wiki-stalking failed to stop me, he went after my user page in early May.
Outside of his edits on the collectivism and libertarian socialism articles, his most POV edits were on the types of socialism article where he seemed to have an allergy to any mention of socialism when talking about individualist anarchism. Hardly adhering to NPOV given that it is consensus that Tucker and others like him were libertarian socialists:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Types_of_socialism&action=history
Whenever it is mentioned that an indiviudalist anarchist is opposed to capitalism, he seems to feel an overwhelming need to mention that they were also opposed to "collectivism" or "communism". As if being opposed to capitalism automatically makes one a communist or in favor of collective ownership:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Benjamin_Tucker&diff=125935182&oldid=125933963
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Types_of_socialism&diff=127507039&oldid=127506886
Other examples can be seen where he attempts to show that individualist anarchists are simply market anarchists or precursors to anarcho-capitalism who are "confused" by the "outdated" Labor Theory of Value.
And here he is linking Socialism with Nazism in the types of socialism article:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Types_of_socialism&diff=84479916&oldid=84476808
And let us not forget his unprincipled reversions on the anarchism page such as here where he made it seem as if anarchists are not opposed to authoritarian relationships, hierarchy or centralized organization:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Anarchism&diff=141597802&oldid=141596250
And here where he removed all mentions of socialism about Tucker’s philosophy even though the material was sourced and from Tucker himself:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Anarchism&diff=140776653&oldid=140776200
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Anarchism&diff=140775632&oldid=140730996
And the anarchism and capitalism page where he reverted many of my edits simply because he didn’t agree with anti-capitalist anarchist views about anarcho-capitalism. Even after I explained to him that the edits were showing ‘’’anti-capitalist anarchist opinions’’’ about anarcho-capitalism, ‘’’not’’’ pretending to be an objective analysis of anarcho-capitalism:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Anarchism_and_capitalism&action=history
He took out sourced material simply because he didn’t agree with it. Even though it was an anti-capitalist OPINION about anarcho-capitalism, not an objective, scholarly analysis of anarcho-capitalism.
Since his first day here he has not made a single NPOV edit (I have made several edits where I have compromised with anarcho-capitalists and others). He had something of a close editing relationship with banned member “Anarcho-capitalism” and he even took it upon himself to copy and upkeep User:Anarcho-capitalism’s extensive “Anarcho-capitalism for Dummies” project which is a scathing polemic against social anarchists and was subject of much ire for several admins during Anarcho-capitalism’s arbitrartion who viewed it as using Wikipedia like Myspace. Even though he doesn’t share User:A-C’s IP address (which doesn’t mean much because Billy Ego admitted that he uses a flexible proxy address and can change it at will) his opinions, political ideology, editing style and articles of interest line up with RJII’s, Anarcho-capitalism’s and Billy Ego’s to the T.
He is certainly a highly suspicious editor if he is not a sockpuppet. Full Shunyata 00:30, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
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