User talk:Osbojos: Difference between revisions

Content deleted Content added

Inline

Revision as of 08:48, 17 August 2007

If you're looking for the Categories for deletion discussion, please note it's been moved to: User_talk:Osbojos/Categories_for_Deletion_Issues

Welcome!

Hello, Osbojos, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers:

I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Please sign your name on talk pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically produce your name and the date. If you need help, check out Wikipedia:Questions, ask me on my talk page, or place {{helpme}} on your talk page and someone will show up shortly to answer your questions. Again, welcome! --Flockmeal 20:23, Feb 4, 2005 (UTC)

Wide Angle (PBS)

Hi Osbojos! Just wanted to let you know that if you find an article like Wide Angle (PBS) which has a more complete article about the same subject elsewhere (that is, Wide Angle (PBS series), redirecting it is much easier than going through all the steps of AfD. Happy editing! -- Jonel | Speak 03:08, 24 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Image help

Carnildo, My problem with Orphanbot is that it makes no exceptions for images that are PD, but that a tag doesn't exist for (e.g., [[Image:10x.jpg]], there's no country tag for Yugoslavia). In that case, users often include reasoning why it's ok to reuse in the image in the description. Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you wrote directly above, but it seems like you're saying that when an appropriate tag doesn't exist, including PD info in the description will suffice. I agree, but Orphanbot doesn't consider description/summary comments when removing images, which seems to contradict your own suggestion. Is there any way you could prevent Orphanbot from deleting images that have description/summary info, and leaving those cases to a human instead? --Osbojos 22:36, 24 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

If there's no country-specific PD tag, then put the generic {{PD}} tag on the image and add a detailed description of exactly why it's in the public domain. --Carnildo 08:34, 25 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, but the generic PD tag is being phased out, I think this is just delaying the problem rather than solving it. Would it really be that hard to have the robot flag notag images that have summary information for human follow up instead of deleting them? I completely understand the need for Orphanbot, but when it makes a mistake, it's a lot of work to fix. --Osbojos 21:36, 25 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, it would be too hard to flag them. The majority of unknown-source and unknown-copyright images have some sort of summary information, usually useless source information like "found on Google", or a simple description of the image like "The Rolling Stones in concert". The images already get reviewed by the admin who deletes them from Wikipedia. --Carnildo 05:51, 26 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Bill Moyer's edits

Nice work on the Bill Moyers page. I was a bit scared after seeing someone had made over a dozen edits that I was going to spend the next several hours of my life in revert hell. --Osbojos 21:12, 5 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

What can I say, sometimes it takes a lot of picking to get somewhere, but I do try to be orderly and organized about it, according to Logical argument form. And as "objective" as possible. -shrugs-

Thanks! :)

("I was a bit scared...." Nothing like a little excitement, no? lol)

(Antelope In Search Of Truth 21:20, 5 April 2006 (UTC))[reply]

Apologies Osbojos, I didn't see your compromise version until after I'd edited my compromise version over the top. --Zleitzen 01:15, 12 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Help with possible vanity spammers?

If you could take a look at Mariano Ristori Morakis..... It's been tagged but whoever edited after that removed the tags without addressing the problem. I only noticed because I looked at the history after *I* tagged it.

I found it while following a chain that started at Cristian Mac Entyre, which I also had to tag. One or both of these guys appear to be using Wikipedia to plug their artwork, and they are editing a number of pages related to their work in support of this. It would not be such a big deal, except they don't appear to be "notable" WP:BIO.

Will you help by taking a look at either of these articles? I'm only one man (or Antelope).... ;) --Antelope In Search Of Truth 20:12, 15 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Help on the NAM page

Done and done. Thanks for the compliment also. Enough to make an antelope blush. 'Cept guy antelopes don't blush. ;)

--Antelope In Search Of Truth 03:41, 19 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

BC pic under Boston education

I'm not hugely attached to having a pic of BC there, but I'm wondering how even a picture of BU (indubitably in Boston) would be irrelevant in your opinion. Aepoutre 16:36, 28 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe irrelevant wasn't the ideal word choice. I wouldn't remove a photo of a Boston-located school from the Boston page, but I'd be a bit skeptical of its inclusion. It's just that there are something like 50 schools in the metroboston area. Even if you limit it to the more notable ones: MIT, Harvard, BC, BU, Berklee, Emerson, Suffolk, others I'm probably forgetting, which one do you pick? You can't put an image for every campus into that section, so which one is sufficiently representative? Also, I get the impression there's a minor status war between BC or BU (and probably other schools) regarding which one is depicted as the "best" school on wikipedia, so I think edits like the BC photo addition that could potentially be construed as marketing should be closely scrutinized. What do you think? --Osbojos 18:38, 28 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The problem is that the photo had been there for quite some time. Someone removed it because "BC isn't in Boston," but it doesn't make Wikipedia better to just remove photos, especially if they are good photos of something mentioned in the article. A better solution would be to replace it with a school in the City of Boston... but in reference to that turf war you just mentioned -- I'd say the removal of the photo was more a part of that "war" than my putting it back in. I say it stays, because it's been there for a long time and there was no good reason to remove it. Let me know what you think of what I think, haha! Aepoutre 17:50, 29 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"It's been there for a long time" isn't a justification. If something is inaccurate or POV, I'm sure you wouldn't make that same argument. As for there being no good reason to remove it, I think I've mentioned several good reasons (1) it's not in Boston, (2) there are many schools in and around Boston, why is BC the most representative? As for the turf war aspect, I think adding a photo of BU or BC is much more warlike than removing a photo of either school when added in a marginally relevant context. I still think the photo should be replaced, but I don't care enough about the issue to press it. Do what you will. Cheers. --Osbojos 20:14, 29 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

My bad, by "been there a long time," I meant, "before my time," as in, "I didn't put it there, I just replaced it after someone removed it." When you said "I wouldn't remove a photo of a Boston-located school from the Boston page, but I'd be a bit skeptical of its inclusion" (and "adding a photo of BU or BC is much more warlike than removing a photo" seems to support it), my impression was that you thought it was added recently (perhaps by myself) as part of said turf war. Sorry about that. Like I said, I understand the justification for its removal as "not being in Boston," but I still maintain that if it isn't good enough despite depicting the reference thereto made in the article itself, then another picture should be found. Unfortunately, as you said, you can't show pictures of every school. I also maintain that if BC is in the article, and it's the only picture someone bothered to post, it doesn't do any harm but rather improves Wikipedia. Honestly, I don't think it's particularly supportive of BC just because someone included a picture once out of "good faith." I think part of wikipedia is to assume that good faith, so I'd rather assume that and make wikipedia better by including pictures than getting rid of them. Thanks for the input. If you don't care too much, I'll try to re-include it, or should we wait until a more experiences wikipedian weighs in on it? I'm pretty new to this, so let me know what you think, because I would really rather keep it. Aepoutre 20:28, 29 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I know you didn't include it, and I wasn't trying to accuse you of anything. Sorry if I gave that impression. Don't worry about "more experienced wikipedians" if everyone had that attitude, nothing would ever get done and no one would ever become a more-experienced wikipedian. If you add it back and someone really thinks its inappropriate, they'll just revert it, it only takes a second. You're right that good faith (WP:AGF) is a wikipedia policy. Another one is be bold in your edits (WP:BB). If you really want to avoid a conflict, why not add a picture of UMass Boston or MassArt instead? Both are in Boston, and avoid the BU/BC rivalry problem. There's probably already a photo uploaded and linked off their respective web pages? Just a suggestion, use your best judgment. --Osbojos 20:36, 29 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, I used a pic of Harvard Yard (makes sense -- even if it's in Cambridge, it's certainly mentioned, as it's hugely important and famous). I looked at UMass and Massart and it was one ugly pic of Massart and nothing of UMass Boston. I also checked out a couple of the Fenway schools (nothing there) and Northeastern but I thought the Hahvahd Yahd would be appropriate for the education section. Aepoutre 22:56, 29 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Looks good. --Osbojos 00:47, 30 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Categories for Deletion Issues

This discussion has been moved to its own page at: User_talk:Osbojos/Categories_for_Deletion_Issues

Replaceable fair use Image:BillMoyers.jpg

Replaceable fair use

Thanks for uploading Image:BillMoyers.jpg. I notice the 'image' page specifies that the image is being used under fair use, but its use in Wikipedia articles fails our first fair use criterion in that it illustrates a subject for which a freely licensed image could reasonably be found or created that provides substantially the same information. If you believe this image is not replaceable, please:

Go to the image description page and edit it to add {{di-replaceable fair use disputed}}, without deleting the original Replaceable fair use template.
On the image discussion page, write the reason why this image is not replaceable at all.

Alternatively, you can also choose to replace the fair use image by finding a freely licensed image of its subject, requesting that the copyright holder release this (or a similar) image under a free license, or by taking a picture of it yourself.

If you have uploaded other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified how these images fully satisfy our fair use criteria. You can find a list of 'image' pages you have edited by clicking on this link. Note that fair use images which could be replaced by free-licensed alternatives will be deleted 7 days after this notification, per our Fair Use policy. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you. MER-C 07:17, 28 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Bill Moyers

Since you weighed in earlier in the debate regarding the exchange between Moyers and O'Reilly, I'd appreciate your input here. —AldeBaer 08:48, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

@@ Line 75: / Line 75: @@
 If you have uploaded other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified how these images fully satisfy our fair use criteria. You can find a list of 'image' pages you have edited by clicking on <span class="plainlinks">[{{fullurl:Special:Contributions|target={{PAGENAMEE}}&namespace=6}} this link]</span>. Note that fair use images which could be replaced by free-licensed alternatives will be deleted 7 days after this notification, per our [[WP:FUC|Fair Use policy]].  If you have any questions please ask them at the [[Wikipedia:Media copyright questions|Media copyright questions page]]. Thank you.<!-- Template:di-replaceable fair use-notice --> [[User:MER-C|MER-C]] 07:17, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
+== [[Bill Moyers]] ==
+Since you weighed in earlier in the debate regarding the exchange between Moyers and O'Reilly, I'd appreciate your input [[Talk:Bill_Moyers#Bill_O.27Reilly_dispute|here]]. —'''[[User:AldeBaer/welcome|AldeBaer]]''' 08:48, 17 August 2007 (UTC)