Talk:List of power metal bands

Nightwish?

I wouldn't exactly call Nightwish a power metal band. More symphonic metal. Apart from some of their songs, like Wishmaster maybe (and even that's just barely power metal). -Gaiacarra 19:18, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

They're neo-classical, which I'd say is an offshoot of power metal. --711groove 11:02, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Actually they are pretty standard power metal, and not particularly good either.

Perhaps a list for inspirations of power metal bands?

Since Iron Maiden and Rainbow keep getting readded to this list maybe it would be better to have 2 lists. One for power metal bands and one for Power Metal influences. I think that could keep everyone happy.

I agree. And someone should listen the bands before adding them here (Axel Rudi Pell, Accept, Dio... power metal??????????????? The list sucks). Im gonna clean that, and more

I'd agree, perhaps there should be some approval process before people can add bands.

I agree as well. There should be the power metal influences, Dio, Accept, Rainbow, Iron Maiden, Scorpions, Judas Priest, Savatage, etc.

Definitely. A list of influences would be a good addition. Prophaniti 15:14, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

That would require a completely separate article. A "list within a list" is not standard for Wikipedia. Anger22 16:33, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

It wouldn't need to be "within a list" though, it could simply be the list of power metal bands, then the list of those that influenced the genre. See the nu metal bands list for an example in a table system. Prophaniti 18:28, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Please help adding the flags

I would be cool to have all the flags right?

Mmmmm, with the flags it looks a litle gay colored --Neo139 21:02, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

I admire the dedication to adding flags, but I think it's not all that useful. Take a look at list of black metal bands: the country names are in parentheses. Not to mention the flags link to an image, and not the country; and I don't know many of the names of those flags either. I propose to change that to like the black metal list. I might change it later... It'll be daunting, but I have nothing else to do tonight. --Dayn 10:52, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

I like the flags, it gives it some color. --E tac 09:19, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Reformatting the article?

If anyone has seen it, the article listing nu metal bands (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nu_metal_musical_groups) is in a different format yet I find it much more helpful and informative, as it gives (in addition to what we already have) whether the band is active, notable albums and even the odd extra point to note. This seems to work better and I am suggesting that this article be redone in that style. Since this would be a big change I thought it best to ask before I do anything. Does anyone either agree or strongly oppose this, with reasons? Prophaniti 15:11, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Personally, I would consider this article better than the nu-metal list; look above for the flags comment I posted. I think the nu-metal page is very unorganised; it's meant to be a list, yet there's no alphabetised sorting. Not to mention erroneous notes which could do better on the band page, and "notable albums" is a matter of opinion, and wouldn't be a neutral point of view. Plus, there's no point to having a list of bands that influenced it either... might as well just make one big list called "list of bands". --Dayn 10:57, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Excentor

ExcentoR should be on the list! I still don't know why someone deleted them from the list 2 times, they should be added, they're very important in argentina's metal music.

It might have been because they don't have an article. Some metal band lists have red links (i.e. mention bands without articles), some don't. This one seems to be free of any bands without wikipedia articles. If you really feel strongly and believe they are suitable, then I'd suggest forming an article (I've also put this under a new heading since it doesn't relate to my suggestion of reformatting). 17:21, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Classification of metal bands in general

I'm placing this discussion point on a number of different lists of metal bands of differing genres, because it's a general point addressing many of them as a whole. I watch a number of metal band lists, and see an awful lot of reverting back and forth, often due to debate about what genre a band is. Think of this point as a kind of appeal for sanity. If in doubt about a bands genre, check their wikipedia article. If they don't have one, either make one if you think they should, or take whatever sources (e.g. the bands homepage) you might normally use in such an article. But ultimately the point of this is the wikipedia articles are the first and usually last place of reference. If you feel the classification of a band if wrong, then take that to the article in question, do not start having revert wars on the lists, going back and forth. If you feel that a band is wrongly classified, then go and debate that on their page, where there are likely more people who have something to say on the matter, and where it will need changing anyway if at all. It's confusing if the lists give one genre and the main articles another. If you have a good case for the genre being changed, then you should be able to do so on the main article of the band, and then you'll have every right to change the list article too. If we just accept that the main articles for bands are the primary point of reference for their genre, then things become a lot simpler. Someone's removed a band from the gothic metal list and you think it's not right? Go check the article. If it clearly says they're gothic metal, even in part, at some point during their career, or have influences of that, then there you go. No one can argue with that, and if they wish to they will have to take it to the main article. The lists are there to refer people to bands based on genre, they are not the place to debate genre in the first place. There will always be basic vandalism of course, but if people take note of this point I'd hope it might lessen all this silly waring over genre. Thank you. Prophaniti 17:42, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

A Few Thing

Power Quest isn't even a metal band much less a power metal band. Agent Steel is thrash metal and Armored Saint is just heavy metal. In my opinion Rainbow started power metal...Dio era of course and I'll back up my argument. Rising and Long Live Rock N Roll had operatic vocals, epic songs, fast songs, fantasy themes, neo classical guitar, keyboards, guitar harmonies, orchestras, double bass ect. When Stratovarius covered Kill The King it sounded like it could have been one of there songs and when Helloween wrote the song Save Us they took a few riffs from Kill The King. That is my argument for Rainbow. I really think they should be added. Those things are found in power metal there for the genre would not have been possible without Rainbow. Almost every power metal guitarist was influenced by Blackmore and almost every power metal singer cites Dio as an influence.

There are so many things wrong with these arguments it isnt even funny.

Removing Bands

I've removed bands that have no mention of power metal on their page. If you think a band should belong here, check if their article lists it. If not, take the genre issue up on that page before adding it here. I'm also going to add a few more bands that aren't here, yet have power metal listed under their genre among others, like Children of Bodom. --Dayn 12:08, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Iron Maiden

Should they be included on this list, pretty much every power metal band is heavily influenced by them. --E tac 09:20, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Well I think they belong here so I added them. --E tac 09:29, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Iron Maiden do not list power metal on their page, hence should not be added. Just because a band is influential, doesn't mean it should be listed. Besides, many bands may not be influenced by them. I mean, some progressive rock bands are influential to Opeth. Yes is influential to Dream Theater, yet Yes aren't listed in any metal lists. --Dayn 12:10, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Thats because Yes is not metal. I would say that Iron Maiden itself is an early power metal band, so is Rainbow. --E tac 12:16, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

You could say that, but that would be for a discussion on the Iron Maiden page. If you can get that genre added, go for it. But as it stands, this is a list of power metal bands, and not the genre's influences. --Dayn 13:00, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Pantera

Didn't pantera also play power metal in the beginning of their career.--85.166.165.41 22:11, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Well going by Wikipedia's own articles, it says glam metal in the beginning. --Dayn 03:13, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Epica and After Forever not Power Metal

I see that they are sometimes listed on the Power Metal list. I can say right here and know I listen to both bands and they don't have one thing about them that is Power Metal.

First Epica. Where is the guitar solo that you find in Power Metal? How about the epic fantasy songs? Or the cheese Lryics that are sometimes found in Power Metal music. The first one they don't have guitar solos if any at all. And the ones that you would hear don't really count as Power Metal guitar solos. As for the epic fantasy songs. Again there is no fantasy song on either of there CD. No Cry for the Moon is not any epic fantasy song. The song is about the Catholic church. Then there is "Façade of Reality" any one want to take a guess as to what this song is about? Give up it's about 9/11.

"Run for a Fall" is about Marks old band and so on. And that's just form there first CD.

Moving on to AF if any one would read up there history they started out as a Death Metal band. And not one of there songs is in the relam of Power Metal much of it has to do with ever day things. On top of that Invisible Circles is a concept album, dealing with issues involved when having children. How many Power Metal bands would write a album about that? How is that CD happy?

Please do not list either band as Power Metal ever again. They have nothing to do with Genre Truemetalfan March 20, 2007

Maybe ditch the State flags

It's really messy and you can't tell at a glance what country a band is from quickly. It's a lot easier without the state flags and just keeping the national flags, like the other metal band lists I think.