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Now, the meat of the issue, honestly I did not know that. I have never heard of him before you created the article on him, was not aware that the "head of al-Azhar" holds him in such high esteem or that one scholar from Deoband respects him. Obviously he is notable enough to warrant his own article as I have seen the number of books he has authored and his activities in da'wah, but that he is one of "the greatest scholars of this time" is an opinion, and there are a number of present day scholars who have recieved more coverage and thus are more notable, and this goes double for both Br. Tahir and others in regard to the scholars of the past.<br /> |
Now, the meat of the issue, honestly I did not know that. I have never heard of him before you created the article on him, was not aware that the "head of al-Azhar" holds him in such high esteem or that one scholar from Deoband respects him. Obviously he is notable enough to warrant his own article as I have seen the number of books he has authored and his activities in da'wah, but that he is one of "the greatest scholars of this time" is an opinion, and there are a number of present day scholars who have recieved more coverage and thus are more notable, and this goes double for both Br. Tahir and others in regard to the scholars of the past.<br /> |
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In short, I think you should step back for a bit and relax. Nobody is trying to attack the man, we are just trying to keep things neutral. [[User:MezzoMezzo|MezzoMezzo]] 23:07, 5 September 2007 (UTC) |
In short, I think you should step back for a bit and relax. Nobody is trying to attack the man, we are just trying to keep things neutral. [[User:MezzoMezzo|MezzoMezzo]] 23:07, 5 September 2007 (UTC) |
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== Reconsidering == |
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I've done some thinking over the weekend and decided that perhaps I was too flippant with you before. Here are some of the issues at hand.<br /> |
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[[Template:Muslim scholars]] in its current state is unorganized and seems to have some odd criteria. I will consent to moving this to its discussion page where we can go down the list of more recent scholars and discuss their notability. What I will need from you are second hand sources of Dr. Qadri's notability - i.e., not from his own website or sites of his organizations. See if you can get me some articles from sources like the BBC, maybe some major Pakistani papers demonstrating how publicly visible he is. After that we need to discuss others on or not on the list as well. I think the main criteria should not be what "school of thought" someone is, but rather their being recognized as having scholarly knowledge in some way. Ayatollah Sistani, for example, is controversial due to his positions but his knowledge is not disputed, so in his case I think he belongs on the list. Hisham Kabbani on the otherhand is disputed knowledge wise and I would argue that he shouldn't be on the list (just using him as one example of someone who is disputed, not attacking the man personally). We should also keep it on that discussion page in case anyone else wants to jump in as well.<br /> |
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In regard to Dr. Qadri's book, my main issue isn't that it isn't notable but rather that it isn't a [[Secondary source]]; it is a [[Tertiary source]]. It is still a valid source of information but [[Historiography|histriographically]] speaking, it's a different kind of source. I think a review of the terminology on the links I provided there might help.<br /> |
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Please let me know what you think of my suggestions and hopefully we can accomplish more working with one another. [[User:MezzoMezzo|MezzoMezzo]] 16:48, 9 September 2007 (UTC) |
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re: Comments on my talk page.
Walaikum salam akhi,
I have to say I was a bit shocked by your message to me. Please refrain from comments such as "what is wrong with you," "what is your problem," and "you need to be more open minded". The official Wikipedia:No personal attacks and Wikipedia:Civility policies are relevant here.
As far as me supposedly editing pages in reference to him "in a negative manner" and that he "challenges my point of view" I believe you need to review the [[[Wikipedia:Assume good faith]] behavioral guideline.
In regard to you not letting me or anyone else edit certain pages, I believe you need to review the official Wikipedia:Ownership of articles policy. We are all free to help improve upon this site and it is not for an editor to decide who else is allowed to edit or not.
Now, the meat of the issue, honestly I did not know that. I have never heard of him before you created the article on him, was not aware that the "head of al-Azhar" holds him in such high esteem or that one scholar from Deoband respects him. Obviously he is notable enough to warrant his own article as I have seen the number of books he has authored and his activities in da'wah, but that he is one of "the greatest scholars of this time" is an opinion, and there are a number of present day scholars who have recieved more coverage and thus are more notable, and this goes double for both Br. Tahir and others in regard to the scholars of the past.
In short, I think you should step back for a bit and relax. Nobody is trying to attack the man, we are just trying to keep things neutral. MezzoMezzo 23:07, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
Reconsidering
I've done some thinking over the weekend and decided that perhaps I was too flippant with you before. Here are some of the issues at hand.
Template:Muslim scholars in its current state is unorganized and seems to have some odd criteria. I will consent to moving this to its discussion page where we can go down the list of more recent scholars and discuss their notability. What I will need from you are second hand sources of Dr. Qadri's notability - i.e., not from his own website or sites of his organizations. See if you can get me some articles from sources like the BBC, maybe some major Pakistani papers demonstrating how publicly visible he is. After that we need to discuss others on or not on the list as well. I think the main criteria should not be what "school of thought" someone is, but rather their being recognized as having scholarly knowledge in some way. Ayatollah Sistani, for example, is controversial due to his positions but his knowledge is not disputed, so in his case I think he belongs on the list. Hisham Kabbani on the otherhand is disputed knowledge wise and I would argue that he shouldn't be on the list (just using him as one example of someone who is disputed, not attacking the man personally). We should also keep it on that discussion page in case anyone else wants to jump in as well.
In regard to Dr. Qadri's book, my main issue isn't that it isn't notable but rather that it isn't a Secondary source; it is a Tertiary source. It is still a valid source of information but histriographically speaking, it's a different kind of source. I think a review of the terminology on the links I provided there might help.
Please let me know what you think of my suggestions and hopefully we can accomplish more working with one another. MezzoMezzo 16:48, 9 September 2007 (UTC)