Talk:ScrewAttack

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This should NOT be deleted because it is a fan writing about it. I saw it didn't have a wikipedia so I thought I would make it one. All the article is saying is what screwattack does and about its shows. — Preceding unsigned comment added by K StarGK (talk • contribs)

--- now that you let screwattack how about you fucking pedant wikipedia assholes let the nerd have a page for fucks sakes

Also, note that Screwattack is now a subsidary of Viacom and is in their infobox for the list of companies. Please don't look foolish and make all of the companies and CEOs available as a wikipedia entry except screwattack. With this site's track record since December, one would think that this site has a few higher-up users that have somewhat of a chip on their shoulder or a personal beef with screwattack and its features. Please be more objective than subjective.SashaNein 12:47, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

• This page should not be deleted, the 'Editor' as well as many other Wikipedia administrators have a personal vendetta against anything ScrewAttack and the AVGN. Petty differences between the Administrators and whatever offends them at ScrewAttack needs to be taken elsewhere. The Ravager 03:49, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

The {{notability}} tag is asking that some WP:RS references be added. If ScrewAttack is notable then this shouldn't be too difficult. I don't know anything about any vendetta. (Requestion 16:45, 6 June 2007 (UTC))

This is one of the few sites I check daily but for some reason the pedantic crazy admins hate this site and the nerd and Id bet money on it getting deleted. this site gets tons of traffic and has a huge following much larger than many of the webcomics that have massive articles on this site — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.7.188.153 (talk • contribs)

The Wizard commentary

Something of extremely questionable legality that ScrewAttack Productions LLC has been up to. They've been making their own commentary track for The Wizard, a la RiffTrax, but they're putting up the whole movie free of charge. Initially these clips were uploaded to YouTube, but YouTube took them down as a copyright violation, so now they're being hosted at Dailymotion, which is much more lax in it's stance against copyright violations.

When asked about the project on their forum, and if any deal or royalties had been paid to NBC Universal (who own the movie), "Stuttering Craig" (aka Craig Skitismas) stated "Yes... Yes we are (pirating). Now shut up and watch it. :)"

Ought this get some mention in the article? PlayItBogart 13:45, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Who cares, Fuck nbc universal, its a funny commentary

^^^ Exactly, just chill out. Its hilarious and worth watching! The Ravager 18:19, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

A few things are in need of concideration: 1) This is a fairly old movie and realy I think NBC have just about squeezed all they're geting out of a movie which was made purely to promote Super Mario Bros 3. 2) This commentary track could be concidered a fan edit of a film (To the effect of "Star Wars EP 1: The phantom edit" or "Matrix Dezionized") and as such brings up it's own fair share of whatifs.--Conan-san 08:20, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

This whole issue being brought up here just leaves a bad taste in my mouth. From what I saw, Bogart asked a question, didn't like the answer he got, and then figured he'd "get back" at ScrewAttack by posting this drivel on Wikipedia. Last I checked, this place isn't a venue for retribution. I don't know what personal issues are going on here, but I don't like the way this surfaced one bit.216.37.86.10 15:20, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Page format

I refined a lot of the grammar and punctuation so it no longer looks quite so slipshod. Feel free to change or improve what you like, but if it doesn't read right, I'll change it to something else. In the vein of keeping this article up, it has a much better chance of surviving if it's well written, sourced, and complete.

Senjuro 15:48, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Youtube controversy probably does deserve some mention

I noticed some random IP inserted some information in an inappropriate section, but it does deserve some mention.

Here's a list of events:

• TMNT Movie Review Part 1 gets removed
• A few days later, Part 2 gets removed
• Youtube contacts James, claiming it was a "mistake" on their part, and reinstated both parts
• A month later, Part 2 is deleted again
• All inquiries to youtube were responded to with, "It had inappropriate content."
• Part 2 remains deleted to this date.

I no longer see Part 1 either, but I presume James had that one removed himself. Youtube has priority issues.

Also, screwattack's main youtube account was banned for over a month after they submitted copyright claims to other users that were submitting their videos. As far as I know, youtube never sent them a notice claiming they screwed up, but they were eventually reinstated.

It's probably good to note these on the article for all the people that ask, "Why aren't they submitting X to youtube?" all the time. Youtube's system is set up so that if enough children with alt accounts flag any video (save for a LonelyGirl, smosh, or LisaNova video), it will be deleted on the spot. There is no benefit of the doubt given to the top contributors that aren't in bed with youtube. User LittleKuriboh, with almost 45,000 subscribers, suffered this fate with almost half of his videos, and then was finally banned for submitting 'inappropriate content', when there was obviously none. He was reinstated, but has still never received a valid explanation. Hell, even my 20 inquiries to 20 different youtube addresses were ignored.SashaNein 12:32, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

It would probably serve to briefly mention that he has a spin-off character called "Angry Movie Nerd", rather than place that under the same topic. Going into detail about how the videos were deleted isn't really relevant for his topic either, that would be better suited for a listing under "YouTube". Just a thought. 75.111.109.49 15:44, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Derogatory description of "AVGN"

The article describes him as an "amateur filmmaker", something I feel is terribly wrong and mortifying. Can somebody modify this to a bit more neutral/beneficial statement? 04:17, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm gonna go ahead and remove this as it's clearly obvious that he's an amateur filmmaker. How do you find it's wrong? Down at the bottom of the page, his website is referenced, Cinemassacre.com. On that website features a wide array of amateur film making projects. You're commenting as if the statement is in one's benefit for some reason. It's a statement that points out the fact that he's an amateur filmmaker. It's not like someone said, "This guy is a highly well known director in major companies." and didn't cite sources. That's how you're taking it as. It's nothing more than a comment that he's an amateur filmmaker, which is true and the appropriate sources are listed down at the bottom of the page. Just because you're too lazy to click on them and read them doesn't mean someone needs to clarify the obvious. --IceSage 21:11, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Dude... hes an amateur. I've been keeping up with his movies and let me tell you HE'S TOTTALLY AN AMATEUR. Needless to say I like his videos. Even if he's apparently making a DVD he hasn't ever scored in the box office and he's never been televised. [[SxeFluff|--SxeFluff 21:42, 27 September 2007 (UTC)]] 16:41, 27 September 2007

The Angry Video Game Nerd gets 15 minutes of fame (literally) on the Opie & Anthony Show

One of the better editors should find a way to integrate the details of this recognition into the AVGN section.

Audio Source

I think I hear administrators cringing.

There was also talk of featuring him on the show again today, but I cannot confirm if such took place. SashaNein 16:42, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

I'll add it later. I thought it was just a local radio station, but it seems the show is pretty big.--Atlan (talk) 12:01, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Done. Check it out, the sentence structure may need work.--Atlan (talk) 13:36, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Silly discussion over "beer" instead of using the brand names. Avoid WP:OWN

Atlan wants it as "beer." The fact that the AVGN drinks Rolling Rock or whatever drink he has now is un-notable, according to him. I don't care to edit war over something so minute. Just make sure he doesn't take ownership of the article, please, because the way he went about removing it three times is starting to give off that feeling. I don't have time for this. SashaNein 03:54, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Yes, let's talk like I'm not here. Definitely the best way to handle it. If you have such issues, you discuss with the editor in question, it's the polite way to do. Anyway, tell my why the brands of beer are notable and pertinent to the reviews then, and why it's necessary to mention it. I only changed it to avoid an awkward sentence that can only get more awkward whenever he decides to switch beers again. You should generally choose the sentence that can last a long time without editing it over a sentence that is subject to change all the time. Claiming I'm trying to own the article for a well thought out change to the article I defended only once is just stupid.--Atlan (talk) 12:01, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

OK. SashaNein 12:20, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Well, any arguments in favor of keeping the brands? I'm open to suggestions.--Atlan (talk) 12:35, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

The fact that he drinks Rolling rock is a character trait that´s worth mentioning since he doesn´t drink just any beer, only Rolling rock. If I remember right he only drank Yuenling once in the show at the Spiderman review so I don´t think it´s noteworthy enough to be mentioned since it was a one-time change that was made for the joke. At least in the Simpsons review he drinks Rolling rock again. Wolfhunter987 17:44, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

He drinks Yuenling in his last video, Bugs Bunny's Birthday Blowout. I specifically checked for that, which prompted me to change the sentence in the article. I guess we could say he drinks Rolling Rock and Yuenling (without the switch part of the earlier sentence), but if he switches to any other beers we should just say beer.--Atlan (talk) 18:33, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

I didn´t notice that in the latest video but I checked it and you´re right, he drinks Yuenling in it again for some reason. In that case I think your suggestion about mentioning them without the switch part is fine. Wolfhunter987 19:08, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

I've added it as such.--Atlan (talk) 19:31, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

It seems to me that it should be "beer". The fact he drank Rolling Rock exclusively, and now drinks Yuenling is irrelevant. The gag in the video is that the games drive him to drink, not drive him to drink something specific. 75.111.109.49 15:41, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

A bit of cleaning

Nothing major, I just went through and kept things consistent, for example, multiple times through the article, it was referred to as "g1's" and then later "G1's". I kept the "G1" capitalization style and just went through a few sentences and made some minor re-wordings to sound more professional. Theseven7 10:46, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

The Iron Man of Gaming

Added the sub-section about it, since it is one the biggest thing ScrewAttack has ever done to the mainstream. Theseven7 05:55, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Removed GameJew, he left ScrewAttack

It was announced on SideScrollers a week or so ago that GameJew will now be working for GameVideos, owned by Ziff Davis.

I do think, however, that he should have his own article. Wasn't he the first one to receive a Wii in Los Angeles, and was featured on several major National TV News outlets? I remember seeing him on TV before I even saw him at ScrewAttack. SashaNein 18:50, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

I agree that AVGN should have his own wikipedia article. Also i removed the part that said he focuses only on the negative aspects of games because that is untrue. I have watched pretty much every one of his videos and im not like a creepy fan or anything, but alot of times he comments on the positive aspects of the game. I have played some of the games hes talking about and all of its true, he just does in a sort of extremely vulgar manner that offend some and think hes only negative. He does respect the positive aspects that exist in the games he reviews. and he should have his own article, i thought of that right away when i searched for him in wikipedia and he was just a tab on another article. There is alot more information that exists about him and it can all be put in a full article. We need to expand wikipedia and make the most information available to readers. Thoughts anybody? Linkman553 05:27, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

I was talking about GameJew. Wikipedia administrators are currently heavily biased against James Rofle's character having a stand-alone article. SashaNein 18:15, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Age 27

I forgot to note the most obvious reference I had. On the Cinemassacre site in the news page, he celebrated his 26th birthday on July 10, 2006. [1] —Preceding unsigned comment added by SashaNein (talk • contribs) 12:53, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Good call on Rolfe's age. I only checked his website, which has no mention of it (apart from a birthday message in the news section, apparently). You think we should add a source in the article for that and his occupation?--Atlan (talk) 16:04, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Metroid Relation

I think the Metroid franchise should be mentioned at least somewhere in the article considering the very name and logo is a power-up from the Metroid series, and their jingle heard in most intros to their videos is the same from a metroid song. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.97.120.37 (talk) 21:32, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

True, but aside from the logo and noise, there isn't much else to be known. If anybody can find a way to note those facts without making it seem like trivia and relevant, then please do it? Theseven7 10:22, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

If anything, reference could be made to how the name was chosen. It could be possible to mention something like "ScrewAttack's domain name has been mistaken for a pornographic site, however, the name refers to a powerup in the Metroid series of games, and has no tie-ins to any adult entertainment industry." Obviously that's not the best description, but it's something. 75.111.109.49 15:35, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Angry Video Game Nerd seperate page

I believe that the AVGN should have his own page. If anything, place a good majority of Rolfe's work under a "James Rolfe" entry. The AVGN character is incredibly popular, and highly viewed. I've seen less important things have their own page with only a sentence on it. But yes, AVGN should have his own page, with a small blurb on the ScrewAttack page, or just a link to his own page. The length of the AVGN sub-topic is long enough to warrant another page, and more information could easily be provided, (i.e. game review listings, recurring characters, etc.). 75.111.109.49 15:30, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Past precedent has shown that there are select administrators that have a personal vendetta with James Rolfe's character.

Don't read these 'discussions' regarding the article's fate if you're the faint of heart or believe in the wikipedia system being objective at all.

July 22, 2006 - This is THE definitive article for deletion discussion that administrators base ALL of their arguments on when someone dares to recreate the deserving article. All 'keep' votes and arguments were deliberately discounted and ignored, but extremely rude delete votes that contribute nothing to the discussion, BY administrators, such as, "Delete, stir, and simmer with noodles." were acceptable.

December 17, 2006 - "AVGN isn't verifiable!!!1 No new information!!"

January 17, 2007 - Condescending administrator attacks.. "no new information", of course

February 6, 2007 - "Nothing new," same condescending administrator attacks

His standalone article has been deleted almost 10 times, each time stating that there have been "no new developments" since July of 2006. To put things in perspective, in July 2006, James made a post on his website celebrating 20,000 hits on his TMNT video, he had less than 10,000 youtube subscribers, and he had not signed on with GameTrailers.

As far as the administrators are concerned, the AVGN is still not hosted on a top 1,000,000 alexa ranked website (Oct 2007: GameTrailers top 500, ScrewAttack top 25,000, Cinemassacre top 35,000), he's never been covered by a third-party source (Opie & Anthony show, G4TV's Attack of the Show multiple times), and he's just a one-hit wonder with 20,000 views on a single video (Oct 2007: 9 million views on GameTrailers alone in 8 months). They will ignore new information. All of it. "No new developments since July 2006!" is the motto of the deletionist.

Administrators are very subjective as to what stays and what goes on this site. In Mr. Rolfe's case, as shown by a lot of the 'delete' votes, it was just a matter of WP:IDONTLIKEIT to them.

If you do attempt to write an article, it better damn well be a good one right off the bat and well sourced, including the mention of the 15-minute spot on the Opie & Anthony show. I have no faith whatsoever in the article staying up for more than a week. The ScrewAttack article has had a lot of crap added to it by random IPs that's really damaging the quality of the article. If somebody puts up something like, "The AVGN is this dude on Gametrailers and he is funny," the condescending administrator brigade will ban anything that ever mentioned James' character ever.

In my opinion, you should hold off on doing it at all. It's a miracle that the screwattack article is still here. Did you know that once they found out that the Angry Video Game Nerd was hosted on Gametrailers, they attempted to get the Gametrailers article deleted immediately!? Attempting to make an ANN/AVGN standalone article will put all of these articles in immediate danger. 216.37.86.10 13:33, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Why do Wikipedia administrators have to be so testy to NOT put AVGN's own article up. "He uses NAUGHTY LANGUAGE! Thereefore, he doesn't exist in my eyes!" GOD; and trying to delete a page JUST because there's AVGN stuff on it; what jerks! FREEDOM OF SPEECH.