Talk:Optical disc drive

Stand-alone audio CD recorders

This article focuses mainly on computer drives. Is it possible to add a section, or perhaps a separate article, on stand-alone CD recorders? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.149.203.252 (talk) 11:25, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Disk v Disc

Not sure if this can come up before but is it "disc" or "disk"

Where is the writing part

where in this article does it say how a CD writes and explaination of the writing process

SPEED

Is the passage on speeds accurate? My intuition says otherwise, but who can trust that :) Dysprosia 10:08, 21 Oct 2003 (UTC)

That part is accurate for the first generations of writers. However some years ago they changed it, thus a 24x speed does not mean 24x the CD speed in general. But I don't remember the details anymore, it has been long time since I read the article in my computer magazine about it... andy 10:20, 21 Oct 2003 (UTC)

Is this that CAV and CLV stuff? or is that only for CD readers? Dysprosia 10:26, 21 Oct 2003 (UTC)

Cleaning up CD/DVD media articles

Hello I want to do something new regarding the CD/DVD media articles and other closely-related information for optical discs to make things a bit more neater and lil more official than it already is. What I mean by this is maybe moving, deleting and modifying unrequired articles such as DVD-R and DVD+R putting them together as one, as well as other optical media disk types. I also found this article called Disk storage which does not look good at all, is small and requires a little more information. These are just suggestions and I do not want to delete any sort of information however making the articles easily readable and accessible. Xangel 13:30, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

DVD recorder

Article DVD recorder overlaps significantly with this. Needs to be merged or otherwise refactored. Comments? —Quarl ^(talk) 2006-01-15 09:45Z

On a closer look, the two articles are really talking about different things. Optical disc recorder only mentions DVD recorder drives, whereas the DVD recorder article actually covers stand-alone set-top boxes which record broadcast video onto disc. So, I think DVD recorder ought to be replaced with a redirect to optical disc recorder and its former contents moved to digital video recorder (which I believe is the correct term). -- 220.239.141.84 14:44, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

DVD Recorders are not DVRs

DVD Recorders needs it own entry. No manufacturer of standalone DVD Recorders ever markets or refers to their products as DVRs. DVRs are strictly hard drive-based set-top boxes (like TiVo and Replay).

This entry deals with the internal optical drives that DVD Recorders and DVD burners contain.

Merging Optical Disc Recorder & DVD Recorder

My stance on this is that the two should in no way be merged. An Optical Disc Recorder is referring to the actual DRIVE of which writes onto Digital Media whereas a DVD recorder is a standalone Video recording device more likened to a VCR. DVD recorders have built in tuners, timers and record ONLY video whereas an optical disc recorder records DATA. Now I'll be the first to point out that Video stored on a DVD is, by nature, data; however a DVD recorder cannot record Word documents, spreadsheets, pictures etc. in the way that an optical disc recorder can. Therefore, whilst a DVD recorder may be said to have an Optical disc recorder as a component, the system itself cannot be determined as such. Readers of the article on DVD recorders will have little, if any, interest in how the data is physically burned onto the disc (which is described in detail in the optical disc recorder article) but will more likely have an interest in the features usually entailed in a DVD recorder (such as timeslip recording and dual tuners) and the principle of a DVD recorder and it's use in the home as the step on from that of the VCR. Of course I'm open to arguments to the contrary but I'm advocating the complete retention of DVD Recorder's article status distinct from that of an optical disc recorder. Maybe the individual who proposed the merge would indeed care to give his reasoning for the merge or defence of his POV. Thanks, c-bro 16:56, 22 August 2006 (UTC)c-bro

These arguments really let me agree with the fact that the two articles should remain distinct - no merge. --Cantalamessa 08:53, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

OK, it's clear that there are no arguments for merging these articles. Therefore, can someone please remove the merge suggestion from the article page? Thanks c-bro 13:53, 25 August 2006 (UTC)c-bro

Requested move

I suggest renaming this to Optical drive. This is plainly strange, there is no article at all about CD/DVD drives (as opposed to CD/DVD discs). This article is better than nothing, despite it covers (for now) only the writing part. I'm sure the reading part will be contributed soon.

Current Optical drive which, surely by mistake, redirects to Optical disc should be "speedy deleted" first. --Kubanczyk 21:48, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Note that DVD player, DVD recorder and DVD drive all point to different things;

and, CD player, CD recorder and CD drive all point to different things;

also, Tape recorder, Tape player and Tape drive all point to different things.

Maybe you guys could bring some logic to those as well? Ewlyahoocom 01:32, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Clear what mess? A "player" is a device that plays, for example plays music.

A "recorder" is a device that records (writes data).

A "drive" is a different thing, not conjuction, not generalization of those: a peripheral device you connect to *computer* to read or write digital data.

In case of CD/DVD drive is usually integrated with player, sometimes with recorder. But a CD/DVD player or recorder may exist that cannot be connected to computer. For tape "drive" never integrates with a player/recorder. In case of hard disk drive, player/recorder don't even exist, as far as I am concerned.

Also "disc" is a piece of matter with a circular shape, a medium that you spin inside either a drive or player or recorder. DVD drive should not redirect to disc article, which barely mentions any such devices exist. We are talking about the drive that is practically in every contemporary computer.

Btw maybe an Optical disc drive will be a better name instead Optical drive? An ODD acronym is mentioned in CD drive; I don't know if it is WP:COMMONNAME. --Kubanczyk 06:20, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Well then shouldn't we have 3 articles too: Optical disc player, Optical disc recorder, and Optical disc drive? Ewlyahoocom 07:21, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Let's just stick to WP:COMMONNAME... --Kubanczyk 07:25, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

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I wanted to close this RM, but I'll plainly refuse. Not because it doesn't make sense per se, but because all the optical drive technology pages are a major mess, and there's no consistency whatsoever to use anything as precedent. I see some 30 pages largely overlapping in contents, often with copy/pasted parts, small stubs without context, redirects pointing to unexpected places... Can someone please study a bit Wikipedia:Summary style and make a major reorganization and merging. Should I start enumerating? I understand that this is a huge job, but moving or not moving this page would be only a paliative solution. Is there a relevant WikiProject? Duja► 09:15, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Of course you are right about the main goal... Can you at least drop a quick list of those 30 articles here, for future reference? --Kubanczyk 11:59, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

OK, few random (and admittedly superfluous) observations:

• All or some of DVD-R, DVD-D, DVD-R DL, DVD+R, DVD+R DL, DVD-RW, DVD+RW, DVD-RW DL, DVD+RW DL, DVD-RAM should be merged into DVD formats, written in summary style ( with individual articles only where appropriate). IMO they would work much better together, allowing easy comparison of features.
• There are actually at least 3 "dimensions" of possible nomenclature:
  1. CD vs. DVD (vs. BD),
  2. recording vs. playing
  3. hardware vs. media vs. authoring in general
• Now (speaking as a relative n00b in the technology) I'd like to see the material either divided into:
  • CD drive, covering both recorders and players, and DVD drive, also covering both, or,
  • Optical disk player, covering both CD and DVD, and Optical disk recorder, also covering both (better titles can be called for)
• DVD recorder and this article (currently at Optical disc recorder) could easily be merged

Well, I'm aware that the field is large and full of information, but, like I said, I feel there's too much duplication of info than desirable. Just my 2c in any way. Duja► 13:53, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Answer point-by-point:

• Gosh, you are right about it. Most IT people follow "one article for one term, not more, not less" pattern, totally no synthesis. I would rather see media stuff merged to DVD and CD (as opposed to DVD formats) , because of WP:COMMONNAME. Let's continue this thread on Talk:DVD or make some WikiProject aware...
• Dimensions for dividing the knowledge (not article titles):
  1. characteristics of medium used: CD vs. DVD vs. many others
  2. class, or how does it fit in your life: standalone/home/personal device vs (small) computer peripheral device vs enterprise device vs future vs historical
  3. how is hardware (medium/drive/recorder/player) constructed vs. how the reading/writing process works (covering software/protocol side)
  • (I don't find read-only vs read-write notable)
• Now (speaking as a relative n00b in the technology) I'd like to see all the material divided into WP:Summary style articles:
  • media articles: CD, DVD, other articles <-- massive merging, esp for DVD
  • Optical storage device covers all devices; any medium; any class; read-only and read-write <-- stub
    • Title Optical storage equipment would be slightly worse, wouldn't it?
    • subordinate Optical disc drive, covering subset: only computer-connectable devices && only desktop class <-- move Optical disc recorder, add bits from CD-ROM#CD-ROM drives, CD player, DVD recorder, Blu-ray Disc, provide links to non-computer CD/DVD player/recorder
    • subordinate DVD player and DVD recorder and CD player and CD recorder <-- all exist, OK
  • Optical disc authoring <-- exists, OK

--Kubanczyk 19:35, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

Renamed Optical disc recorder to Optical disc drive, with many additions. --Kubanczyk 20:08, 8 October 2007 (UTC)