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== Shocking and Unbelievable Images? ==

Why have shocking pictures been featured recently on the main page? First there was the one showing the hideously scarred back of a black slave, and now we have one of a pit of Holocaust victims (with one more about to be shot.) These are NOT the kind of images most people want to see in the "cover" of an encyclopedia; I'm not saying they articles, where people would find them only if they're intentionally looking for them. Is this part of some agenda? How are featured images decided on anyway? -[[User:Wilfredo Martinez|Wilfredo Martinez]] 01:40, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
:The order of images is usually determined by the featured picture time frame. The fact that they are "shocking" is just coincidence. [[User:Dreamafter|<font color="red">Your Grace Lord Sir Dreamy of Buckland</font>]] [[User talk:Dreamafter|<font color="purple"><sup>tm</sup></font>]] 01:46, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
:See [[User talk:Howcheng#POTD]] for an explaination of the order from the defacto POTD director. Also see [[Wikipedia:Featured picture criteria]] for the criteria featured pictures must meet. (Any picture which meets these criteria can be a featured picture after going through the process here [[Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates]]) [[User:Nil Einne|Nil Einne]] 01:54, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

That still doesn't justify the use of shocking pictures as featured images. I have the Main Page set as my default homepage, because I enjoy reading news and facts as soon as I log in every day. Pictures of mayhem are NOT what I want to see here, and I'm reasonably sure most people don't either. If anything, this shows very poor judgment. Just write me down as opposing this -[[User:Wilfredo Martinez|Wilfredo Martinez]] 13:43, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
:That they're "shocking" is POV. What you want to see may differ from what others do. And frankly, that's a pretty tame Holocaust image, as Holocaust images go. --[[User:Dweller|Dweller]] 13:58, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
:Personally I don't want Wikipedia to reflect a skewed POV. If images were excluded on the basis that they might be considered shocking, then that's not reflecting the world we all live in. Cuddly guinea pigs are great but there's more to the world than fluffy cuteness. [[User:MorganaFiolett|MorganaFiolett]] 15:23, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

*An [[encyclopedia]] should reflect its contents - all of it. Besides, we [[human]]s need the reminders of just how ''in-human'' we can be. [[Genocide]]s are not a thing of the past, nor is [[slavery]], which is back in business not only in the [[third world]] but in [[Europe]] and the [[US]]... ''[[God]] help us all.'' Which is the more shocking? [[User:Shir-El too|Shir-El too]] 22:37, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

*[[WP:WINC|Wikipedia is not censored.]] [[User:Chubbles|Chubbles]] 23:37, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

:*Hi. I knew that, but why don't we include in the "10 things you may not know about Wikipedia" that it isn't censored, since I'd think a lot of newcomers don't know that? Thanks. ~<font color="blue">[[User:AstroHurricane001/A|A]][[User:AstroHurricane001|H]][[User:AstroHurricane001/D|1]]</font><sup>([[User:AstroHurricane001/T|T]][[Special:Contributions/AstroHurricane001|C]][[User:AstroHurricane001/U|U]])</sup> 00:31, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
::'cause then there'd be eleven. [[User:Macbi|Macbi]] 18:30, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
::I'd be 100% behind that. [[User:Chubbles|Chubbles]] 05:38, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
::* Maybe it can be added under one of the existing headings. BTW, I read the article after commenting. The ease with which a band of bullies brutally took over a supposedly civilized nation, to the point where the ''judicial'' system sanctioned murder after-the-fact, is VERY frightening. I'm glad I read it. [[User:Shir-El too|Shir-El too]] 21:40, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
:No, you don't get it: [[WP:NOT#CENSORED]]. —[[User:Vanderdecken|Vanderdecken]]∴ <b>[[User talk:Vanderdecken|∫]][[Special:Emailuser/Vanderdecken|ξ]][[Special:Contributions/Vanderdecken|φ]]</b> 11:37, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
:There are some other shocking pictures lurking in the Featured Picture pool that haven't made it to the front page yet. Have a look at [[:Image:DeadchinesesoldierEdit.jpg]] and [[:Image:V-2victimAntwerp1944.jpg]]. Do I need to warn you they are shocking? [[User:Carcharoth|Carcharoth]] 09:51, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

I am afraid I am with Wilfredo.. Nobody is disputing that terrible things happen or arguing that Wikipedia, et al, should shy away from them. The argument is that "shocking" images should not be posted on the '''Main Page'''. The reason is that there is no warning or preview or choice involved when a user accesses the Main Page. Put it another way, if you type "holocaust" into the search bar, you cannot complain if you read about and see photos of atrocious things. But if you come to the homepage, you have no prior warning of what it might contain. No news site would do this and neither should we. There are children accessing this site, for goodness sake... --[[User:Oscar Bravo|Oscar Bravo]] 10:03, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

:Come up with a definition of "shocking" that most people accept and take it from there. [[User:Bazza 7|Bazza]] 13:11, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

:It's ironic that a "shocking" image is the best of Wikipedia. These pictures can be way out of context when they are on the main page. But that's the point, isn't it? It gets your attention, and allows you to get the context if you want. That they are out of context can be dangerous. In spite of that, our readers are smart enough to understand that they are going to be faced with unpleasantness from time to time. It's inevitable. [[User:Hires an editor|Hires an editor]] 13:50, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
::Incidentally, [[guinea pigs]] bite. More like cute little [[hamsters]], if you really wanted something more harmless. ~[[user:orngjce223]] [[user_talk:orngjce223|how am I typing?]] 14:25, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

===Section Edit Break 1===

:In my opinion, the current criteria for featured images is good. Suppose we accept that we're basically going to censor Wikipedia by by only displaying non-shocking images, which I disagree with. However, you still have what Bazza pointed out- the term shocking is not clearly defined. Some people will find a [[:Image:Human skeleton front.svg|sketch of a skeleton]] offensive, others will object to a [[:Image:ChildLabor1910.png|picture of child labour]]. In my opinion, not featuring images simply because they display unpleasant truth is censorship. Anyways, this is a wiki. ''You'' can participate in the decision making process. Cheers! [[User:{{{User|Puchiko}}}|{{{User|Puchiko}}}]]&nbsp;([[User talk:{{{User|Puchiko}}}|talk]] <small>•</small> [[Special:Contributions/{{{User|Puchiko}}}|contribs]]&nbsp;<small>•</small> [[Special:Emailuser/{{{User|Puchiko}}}|email]]) 12:12, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

:Wikipedia is essentially already user censored; we submit the content; we nominate the best material to be featured periodically on the main page. If you feel an image is too shocking for the main page, you have every opportunity to express that before a picture is featured. But a lot of people must have felt otherwise for a "shocking" picture to make it as far as the main page. [[User:007patrick|007patrick]] 22:41, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

To [[User:Bazza 7|Bazza]], Re: definition of "shocking": Stop playing the smug Philadelphia Lawyer and put yourself in the position of an educated 12-year-old. We all know what's shocking and a picture of dead bodies and someone with a gun to his head is one of them.--[[User:Oscar Bravo|Oscar Bravo]] 07:44, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

:You must know different 12-year olds than I do. [[User:APL|APL]] 18:07, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

::I knew these sorts of pictures existed as a 12-year-old, and I saw them, and I was not psychologically wounded by them. But most of my classmates, who did not read books about the human reproductive system and the inner workings of guns and minds, and who did not reason for themselves about why people were cruel to each other, would be psychologically wounded by these pictures if they were younger. Their parents really should've explained this to them - I only knew this all because I was gifted enough to have to read novels generally reserved for "older teenagers" at age 8. But given that Wikipedia is [[WP:NOT#CENSORED|not in the least censored for the other people]], this sort of wrangling is useless. ~[[user:orngjce223]] [[user_talk:orngjce223|how am I typing?]] 23:21, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

*Sometimes guidelines and policies are linked, but the content is not quoted. [[WP:WINC|Wikipedia is not censored.]] contains this statement: "some articles may include objectionable text, images, or links ''if they are relevant to the content''" (my italics). Some images placed in isolation on the main page may not be "relevant to the content", and if such images may reasonably be expected to have a shock effect then due consideration to their value in relation to the negative impact should be considered. Wiki is not censored is not an absolute statement, we have and do exclude text and images we consider unwise. A deliberate use of a shocking image on the main page could appear to be rather provocative. It would certainly be worth reviewing [[Wikipedia:Featured picture criteria]], and I'll be going over there to have a look at what it says. <span style="border: 1px #F10; background-color:cream;">'''[[User:SilkTork|<font face="Script MT" color="#1111AA" size="2">SilkTork</font>]]''' *[[User talk:SilkTork|<font face="Roman" color="#0ccccc" size="0.5">SilkyTalk</font>]]</span> 10:47, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

::I've started a discussion [[Wikipedia_talk:Featured_picture_criteria#.22it_might_be_shocking.22|here]]. <span style="border: 1px #F10; background-color:cream;">'''[[User:SilkTork|<font face="Script MT" color="#1111AA" size="2">SilkTork</font>]]''' *[[User talk:SilkTork|<font face="Roman" color="#0ccccc" size="0.5">SilkyTalk</font>]]</span> 11:23, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

:::For [[User:Oscar Bravo]]'s benefit, I am neither a lawyer nor from Phildelphia. Whether a picture shocks or not is subjective, and it is not for you or anyone else here to decide on another person's behalf. "We all know what's shocking..." — apparently not, otherwise this discussion would not be taking place. My point was to suggest that a definition of unacceptability is needed — which of [[:Image:Conf dead chancellorsville.jpg | 1]] [[:Image:VietnamchildsoldierEdit.jpg | 2]] [[:Image:Thich Quang Duc - Self Immolation.jpg | 3]] [[:Image:Desinsertion du muscle CO.jpg | 4]] [[:Image:Kent State massacre.jpg | 5]] [[:Image:Hawk eating prey head only.jpg | 6]] [[:Image:Anschlusstears.jpg | 7]] [[:Image:Buchenwald Slave Laborers Liberation.jpg | 8]] would "pass" or "fail"? As the [[archives]] show, there are lots of excellent pictures in Wikipedia, and it is not surprising that some people find one or two uncomfortable — sometimes even distressing — to view, but I do not think that that is a reason to hide them away. Life's like this, and I'm glad that my children (who are all now past 12) have had access to information like this to see what the world's like in reality, as opposed to the censored comfort of the middle of the last century which I grew up in. I hope that wasn't too [[Wikipedia:No_personal_attacks | smug]]. [[User:Bazza 7|Bazza]] 13:30, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

::::Who's talking about "hiding them away"? I've absolutely no objection to the pictures appearing on pages that relate to them. That's in context and the user has passed a disclaimer page by then. I'm talking about the Main Page - no pre-defined context and no disclaimer. Regarding your list of pictures - the ones with dead or dying people shocked me, didn't they you? BTW, "Philadelphia Lawyer" is an idiom - I wasn't claiming to be psychic :-) --[[User:Oscar Bravo|Oscar Bravo]] 16:08, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

:::::The PoTD pictures all relate to the main page: they're ones which have been voted "excellent pictures" regardless of their content and are shown on the main page because of that, not because they relate to any other content there. And no, none of the ones I picked shocked me to the extent that I would not want to see them on the Main Page (I chose them because I recall most of them stimulating a similar conversation to this one at the time they appeared on the main page). Which is why I made my point: you can only come up with a policy on not showing shocking pictures on the main page if you can get a general concensus on what it means. Also: there is no disclaimer page a user must pass on leaving the main page; there's a link to one at the bottom of every page, but I doubt many people read it before selecting the page they want to visit. [[User:Bazza 7|Bazza]] 09:46, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

::::::I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but there's absolutley no way the community will agree to censor the main page. Our contributors have chosen to allow even the most shocking FAs to be on the front page, and have defended vigorously our right to do so. Wikipedia is not consored; this will not change. [[User:RyanGerbil10|RyanGerbil10]]<small>[[User_talk:RyanGerbil10|(C-Town)]]</small> 02:23, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

[[Wikipedia:Content disclaimer]] is an essential read. If you haven't read it already, do so. I'm not going to throttle the rate of FPC promotions just because someone thinks the image I am about to promote may be offensive. That way, nothing will be promoted. Featured Pictures aren't politically correct and will never be (at least while I am there). [[User:MER-C|MER-C]] 09:58, 21 October 2007 (UTC)


===''Bravo'' Bazza, RyanGerbil10 and MER-C!===
The problem with censoring is that once it starts, there's no end to it. So given a choice, ''I'd'' rather be occasionally shocked than ''protected for my own good.'' Besides, we all have a choice: we can refrain from viewing WP. [[User:Shir-El too|Shir-El too]] 01:43, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

<blockquote>'cause then there'd be eleven. [[User:Macbi|Macbi]] 18:30, 9 October 2007 (UTC)</blockquote>Lol thats funny... we are human and that is our history. If you don't like it then you can't even watch the news, turn it on right now and you'll see 10 stories of shootings or car accident related deaths guaranteed, your parents were to sheltering to you as a child.[[User:Catherine the Great does not deserve her title|Catherine the Great does not deserve her title]] 23:41, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

== Not An Error, but a Question ==

I'm a serious Pirates of the Caribbean addict, as you can probably tell. I was wondering, if we'd like to make a request for the "featured article" can we do so? If so, I'd like Jack Sparrow to be the main article. [[User:BlackPearl14|BlackPearl14]] <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|comment]] was added at 01:26, 16 October 2007 (UTC)</small><!--Template:Undated--> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:Featured articles need to meet the criteria outlined [[Wikipedia:Featured article criteria|here]]; when they do, you may nominate them here [[Wikipedia:Featured article candidates|here]]. No one is going to write an article for you - [[wikipedia:be bold|be bold]] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jack_Sparrow&action=edit do it yourself]. [[User:Picaroon|Picaroon]] [[User talk:Picaroon|(t)]] 01:48, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

:: Eh hang on, people will write articles for you, if you request it. But its better to do it yourself. [[User:132.239.90.236|132.239.90.236]] 15:53, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

::: No they won't. Watch: ''Please write me an article about [[granulocyte-macrophage colony-stimulating factor receptor]]s.'' See, nobody has written it – [[User talk:Gurch|Gurch]] 16:08, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
::::Um, yes they have: [[Granulocyte macrophage colony-stimulating factor receptor]] [[User:GeeJo|GeeJo]] <sup>[[User talk:GeeJo|(t)]]</sup>⁄<sub>[[Special:Contributions/GeeJo|(c)]]</sub> <small>&bull;&nbsp;16:15, 16 October 2007 (UTC)</small>
:::::They spelt it wrong – [[User talk:Gurch|Gurch]] 16:43, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
::::::Also that entire article consists of the text "The granulocyte macrophage colony-stimulating factor receptor is a receptor for granulocyte macrophage colony-stimulating factor." That tells me sod all – [[User talk:Gurch|Gurch]] 16:53, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
:::::::Well, you didn't specify that the article had to be particularly illuminating :) [[User:GeeJo|GeeJo]] <sup>[[User talk:GeeJo|(t)]]</sup>⁄<sub>[[Special:Contributions/GeeJo|(c)]]</sub> <small>&bull;&nbsp;17:04, 16 October 2007 (UTC)</small>
:::::::Maybe they are still doing the research? [[User:Carcharoth|Carcharoth]] 17:39, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
::::::::I added about 20 characters to it! (Yay!) Now can someone help? ~[[user:orngjce223]] [[user_talk:orngjce223|how am I typing?]] 00:22, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
:::::I found that rather amusing. Gurch's variation is not a redirect too. [[user:violetriga|violet/riga]] [[User_talk:violetriga|(t)]] 16:55, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
::::::Gah! Now you've gone and [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AWikipedia_may_or_may_not_be_failing&diff=165085572&oldid=113273529 ruined my essay] :( – [[User talk:Gurch|Gurch]] 01:02, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
:::::::It's not [[WP:OWN|your]] essay... oh well. ~[[user:orngjce223]] [[user_talk:orngjce223|how am I typing?]] 23:48, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
::::::::Yes it is; I wrote it. Whether or not I "own" it, it's my work – [[User talk:Gurch|Gurch]] 00:48, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
:I'll write a featured article for you. My current rate starts at US$20 per hour with a US$50 deposit to be paid before I start. I accept checks and money order. Contact me by [[Special:Emailuser/Mr.z-man|email]] if you are interested. <small>Technical and obscure topics may have additional charges. No guarantee can be made for FA completion date. Bribes to the FA director to get the article on the main page not included.</small> <font face="Broadway">[[User:Mr.Z-man|<font color="#056366">Mr.</font>]]''[[User talk:Mr.Z-man|<font color="#056625">'''Z-'''</font><font color="#054F66">man</font>]]</font>'' 17:28, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
::[[Wikipedia:Reward board|You're kidding]], right? ~[[user:orngjce223]] [[user_talk:orngjce223|how am I typing?]] 00:26, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
:::Not if someone is actually willing to pay that. I could use the extra money. <font face="Broadway">[[User:Mr.Z-man|<font color="#056366">Mr.</font>]]''[[User talk:Mr.Z-man|<font color="#056625">'''Z-'''</font><font color="#054F66">man</font>]]</font>'' 03:36, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
::"Technical and obscure topics may have additional charges." [[WP:CSB|Systemic bias]] - one can't get rid of it even by bringing money into the equation. <sigh> - [[User:BanyanTree|Banyan]][[User talk:BanyanTree|Tree]] 08:05, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
:::Technical and obscure articles require more difficult research. <font face="Broadway">[[User:Mr.Z-man|<font color="#056366">Mr.</font>]]''[[User talk:Mr.Z-man|<font color="#056625">'''Z-'''</font><font color="#054F66">man</font>]]</font>'' 18:53, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

I was under the impression that you show the actual article on the main page. For example, [[Jack Sparrow]]s page. This didn't really get anywhere near the answer to my question, sorry. But thanks for the info. Oh, and, [[User:Mr.Z-man]], that's a bit obsurd, no offense meant. [[User:BlackPearl14|BlackPearl14]] 00:05, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

:I'm not sure what you're still confused about. The only way [[Jack Sparrow]] has any chance of being the Today's Featured Article on the Main Page is if it is a [[Wikipedia:Featured Article]]. The only way it will become a feature article is is someone such as you improves it until it meets the criteria. [[User:Nil Einne|Nil Einne]] 10:01, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

::Okay, great, I think i get it now, will do! Thanks! [[User:BlackPearl14|BlackPearl14]] 23:55, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

== Featured article = current event ==

Is it wise to have [[England national rugby union team]] as the featured article on the same day that England plays in the [[Rugby Union World Cup]] final - regular updating, especially this evening, when the match begins, will mean that the article will be very unstable, even for a main page FA. Additionally, with the entry [[Scrum (rugby union)]] in DYK, we will probably end up with TFA, DYK and ITN all referencing rugby union today - something specifically advised against in Main Page guidelines. [[User:Smurrayinchester|<span style="color:#00BB55">Laïka</span>]] 10:18, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
:DYK'll be updated before the match is over, so there'll only be two sections referencing the game, and the TFA was ''specifically chosen'' for today:
<blockquote>"Generally speaking, preference will be given to requests [...] that are particularly relevant to a given date (especially major anniversaries)." - [[WP:TFA/R]]</blockquote>
:The policy does tend to mean that there is occasional overlap between the two top sections. [[User:GeeJo|GeeJo]] <sup>[[User talk:GeeJo|(t)]]</sup>⁄<sub>[[Special:Contributions/GeeJo|(c)]]</sub> <small>&bull;&nbsp;10:42, 20 October 2007 (UTC)</small>

Look I support England fully today and of course naturally want them to win but this featured article for england is a POV. It is contrary to the fundamental principles of wikipedia. If it was an article on rugby union or the world cup fine but it is actions like this which make wikipedia look a laughing stock when it extresses so often that "neutrality" is one of the major goals [[User:81.102.25.233|81.102.25.233]] 13:41, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
:Apparently no one objected when it was requested to appear today so it did appear today. The article itself is pretty neutral enough for me. --'''[[User:Howard the Duck|<font color="#FFA500">Howard</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Howard the Duck|<font color="#FFA500">the</font>]] [[User talk:Howard the Duck|<font color="#FFA500">Duck</font>]]''' 14:23, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
::I'd say the only way it'd've been particularly partisan would've been if our article on the [[Springboks]] had been passed up in favour of England. But for better or for worse, it hasn't received as much loving attention. [[User:GeeJo|GeeJo]] <sup>[[User talk:GeeJo|(t)]]</sup>⁄<sub>[[Special:Contributions/GeeJo|(c)]]</sub> <small>&bull;&nbsp;18:50, 20 October 2007 (UTC)</small>
:::Wikipedia jinxed England. Bwahahaha. Prince William will now sue Jimbo... --'''[[User:Howard the Duck|<font color="#FFA500">Howard</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Howard the Duck|<font color="#FFA500">the</font>]] [[User talk:Howard the Duck|<font color="#FFA500">Duck</font>]]''' 07:29, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

== Category ==

How about adding "[[[[:Category:Main Page]]]]" and "[[[[:Category:Main Page alternatives]]]]" to the bottom of the page? [[User:WAS 4.250|WAS 4.250]] 14:12, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

:Are there any objections to me doing this? [[User:TimVickers|Tim Vickers]] 16:59, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

::I've added the "[[[[:Category:Main Page]]]]" but am not sure about the "[[[[:Category:Main Page alternatives]]]] since I'm not clear if this is an ''alternative'', what do people think? [[User:TimVickers|Tim Vickers]] 17:28, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

:::Ummm...what the heck is the purpose of this? It was proposed and implemented without explanation. —[[User:David Levy|David Levy]] 06:34, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

== Request to add InterWiki Link to Ido Main Page ==

Hello, I'm sorry if this is not the place to request this. Could the caretakers of this page please add an 'InterWiki' link on the English main page to the Ido language 'Main Page'? That page may be found at http://io.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frontispico Thank you. [[User:AnFu|AnFu]] 18:48, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
:Ido only has 15000 articles. The cutoff is 25000 which according to [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/List_of_Wikipedias this] means vi wiki(Vietnamese) should be on the front page. [[User:128.227.50.158|128.227.50.158]] 19:39, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
::So it is. [[:Vi:|Vi]] added. Thanks, [[User:BanyanTree|Banyan]][[User talk:BanyanTree|Tree]] 01:04, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

::[[User:128.227.50.158|128.227.50.158]], Thank you for your reply. I was not aware of the cutoff. Sorry to bother you. [[User:AnFu|AnFu]] 04:43, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

== Champion photo ==

[[Image:Kimi_Raikkonen_2007_2b.jpg|thumb|100px]]Raikkonen looks pensative on the photo. I think instead a photo of somebody who has just become world champion should convey more happiness. How about this one instead? --[[User:Male1979|Ben]] <sup>[[User_talk:Male1979|T]]</sup>/<sub>[[Special:Contributions/Male1979|C]] </sub> 19:12, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
: Suggestions are best posted at [[WP:ITN/C]]. --[[User:74.13.131.41|74.13.131.41]] 21:13, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
::At any rate, thanks for adding "pensative" to my vocabulary :) [[User:GeeJo|GeeJo]] <sup>[[User talk:GeeJo|(t)]]</sup>⁄<sub>[[Special:Contributions/GeeJo|(c)]]</sub> <small>&bull;&nbsp;23:27, 21 October 2007 (UTC)</small>

== Lame PoD cation ==

I've edited the lead section of the article at [[Kiwifruit]] and suggest the caption be changed accordingly. The final sentence here is a bit lame. Suggested final sentence: ''Originally known as the "Chinese Gooseberry" or "Melonette", the fruit was renamed for marketing reasons after the country's [[national symbol]] due a passing similarity to the small, furry-looking creature''. --[[user:MIckStephenson|<b>mikaul</b>]][[User_talk:MIckStephenson|<sup>talk</sup>]] 00:51, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
: Suggested edits are best posted at [[WP:ERRORS]]. --[[User:74.13.125.102|74.13.125.102]] 17:36, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

== Anticipated vandalism ==

Given the inherent heat that surrounds anything remotely to do with Israel on Wikipedia, I anticipate an increased volume of vandalism on tomorrow's Main Page article. --[[User:Dweller|Dweller]] 11:42, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

:In related news, water found to be wet – [[User talk:Gurch|Gurch]] 12:55, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
::Lol. I'm going to bookmark that gem somewhere in my userspace. Perhaps I was predicting that some types of water are wetter than others. --[[User:Dweller|Dweller]] 12:58, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

::: Well if heavy water is denser than normal water, perhaps its "wetter", since theres more mass of wetness that your touching lol? [[User:Tourskin|Tourskin]] 20:07, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

== Can someone get the San Diego fires on the news? ==

Please? I know theres an article but I don't know how to get it up there. [[User:Tourskin|Tourskin]] 18:13, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
:Please make your suggestion at [[Wikipedia:In the news section on the Main Page/Candidates]]. Thank you. [[User:{{{User|Puchiko}}}|{{{User|Puchiko}}}]]&nbsp;([[User talk:{{{User|Puchiko}}}|talk]] <small>•</small> [[Special:Contributions/{{{User|Puchiko}}}|contribs]]&nbsp;<small>•</small> [[Special:Emailuser/{{{User|Puchiko}}}|email]]) 18:37, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

== Main Page suggestion on Village Pump ==

Over at the Village Pump, I have raised the idea of adding a box about the 2008 Summer Olympics to the Main Page next year. I would like to ask all of you to join the discussion and share your thought about this, on [[Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)#Olympics on the Main Page]]. [[Special:Contributions/Aecis|<font color="blue">A</font>]][[User:Aecis|<font color="green">ecis</font>]]<sup>[[User talk:Aecis|Brievenbus]]</sup> 20:29, 22 October 2007 (UTC)


== Problem logging on ==

I was going to ask this at the help desk, but it is not a question about using wikipedia, so I will ask it here. I once was [[User:Chipka|Chipka]], but I stopped using Wikipedia for a very long time (it might have been a year or more), Now I want to start up again, but when I tried to log in it would not let me. I am almost positive I have the right passward, so I'm wondering if wikipedia will get rid of an user if he stopes editing for a long time or something. Thanks for any responce.[[User:76.189.123.239|76.189.123.239]] 22:18, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
:See [[WP:CHU]]. But they won't simply get rid of [[User:Chipka]]; we need to attribute every edit to an editor for [[GFDL]] compliance. [[User:Pmanderson|Septentrionalis]] <small>[[User talk:Pmanderson|PMAnderson]]</small> 23:30, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
::I think you misunderstood my question, I don't want to change my user name. I'm asking if wikipedia will get rid of a user if he/she does not edit wikipedia for a long time. I have not edited for a year, and when I tried to long in it would not let me. The only other possibility I can think of is if I did not have the right password, but I think I did. Sorry for any confusion. [[User:76.189.123.239|76.189.123.239]] 00:34, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
:::No, passwords are not automatically scrambled or anything, nor is access to an account revoked. Maybe ask at [[WP:VPT]], where your question will be seen by people knowledgeable about the MediaWiki software. [[User:Picaroon|Picaroon]] [[User talk:Picaroon|(t)]] 00:39, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

== stop the scrolling ==

<s>I get we need to raise funds, but the animated text in the "ad banner" ''what you don't know about us'' is incredibly, incredibly distracting. It needs to go. [[User:Sdedeo|Sdedeo]] <small>([[User:Sdedeo/advice|tips]])</small> 22:49, 22 October 2007 (UTC)</s> Problem solved with a "dismiss". Thanks team! [[User:Sdedeo|Sdedeo]] <small>([[User:Sdedeo/advice|tips]])</small> 23:41, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

:Indeed, I don't know where to go to complain about this but what on earth happened? It needs to stop whatever it is. [[User:Paliku|Paliku]] 22:52, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Wow, if there must be something animated, at least make it cross-fade instead of scroll. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mxn|Minh Nguyễn]] <small>([[User talk:Mxn|talk]], [[Special:Contributions/Mxn|contribs]])</small> 22:52, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

:Shouldn't there be a dismiss option like every time before? -'''[[User:Oreo Priest|<span style="color:green">Oreo Priest</span>]]''' 22:53, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
::I have to agree, there needs to be an option to hide this, as there was before. It is highly distracting to have this text scrolling. <small>[[user:ArielGold|<font color="8B00FF">'''Ariel'''</font>]][[Special:Contributions/ArielGold|<font color="F64A8A">♥</font>]][[User_talk:ArielGold|<font color="007FFF">'''Gold'''</font>]]</small> 22:55, 22 October 2007 (UTC)


Just wait until someone donates and adds cuss filled/racist/sexual comments

::I've just added "div#siteNotice {display:none}" to my monobook style file. [[User:Eugene van der Pijll|Eugène van der Pijll]] 22:56, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
:::That worked, thanks loads Eugène! <small>[[user:ArielGold|<font color="8B00FF">'''Ariel'''</font>]][[Special:Contributions/ArielGold|<font color="F64A8A">♥</font>]][[User_talk:ArielGold|<font color="007FFF">'''Gold'''</font>]]</small> 23:00, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
:::Better use the code by GraceNotes, below, if you want to see any future sitenotices, though. His code only turns of this fundraiser box. [[User:Eugene van der Pijll|Eugène van der Pijll]] 23:15, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

BTW, am I the only one who has problems playing the video? Maybe it's from the high amount of traffic. [[User:Paliku|Paliku]] 22:59, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Who the heck thought putting an animated, scrolling piece of crap on the main page -- no wait, on ''every'' page -- was a good idea? The way it jitters nauseates me if I try to read it. --[[User:Fubar Obfusco|FOo]] 23:03, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

:I also can't play the video after a certain point. To whom it may concern, please take down this ill-conceived banner ad. Thanks, <font style="background:#b22222;">'''[[User:JHMM13|<font style="color:white;font-size:105%">JHMM13</font>]]'''[[User talk:JHMM13|<sup><small><font style="color:#fff;">(Disc)</font></small></sup>]]</font> 23:04, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

I don't know whether this is actually the right forum for discussion, since this box appears on ''all'' pages, not just the Main Page. The only thing I could find on the [[WP:VP|Village Pump]], though, was [[Wikipedia:Village_pump_%28all%29#Hiding_that_scrolling_graphic_in_header|this short query, unanswered as I type]]. I certainly agree that the box as it is now is awfully distracting. I certainly have not the slightest intention of making a donation if this type of non-turn-off-able advertising remains. It's simply unacceptable not to have a "dismiss" button. [[User:Loganberry|Loganberry]] ([[User talk:Loganberry|Talk]]) 23:03, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

A couple of comments: 1. The code is [http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?action=raw&title=Special:NoticeText/wikipedia/en here]. 2. It uses a &lt;marquee&gt; tag. (Help!) 3. It can be hidden with <code>table.fundraiser-box {display : none; }</code>. [[User:Gracenotes|<span style="color:#960;">Grace</span><span style="color:#000;">notes</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Gracenotes|<span style="color:#960;">T</span>]]</sup> <span title="Talk:Main Page">§</span> 23:09, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Edit conflict: Doesn't look like the administrators will be able to help... the banner is loaded from [[m:Special:NoticeLoader]], powered by an extension that was installed at Meta. In other words, it's hard-coded into the site now. Well, at least [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2006-10-30/Wikipedia valuation|Jason Calacanis]] can't say we don't know about advertising. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mxn|Minh Nguyễn]] <small>([[User talk:Mxn|talk]], [[Special:Contributions/Mxn|contribs]])</small> 23:10, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

What a pathetic thing to do. Try to encourage donations yes, but people are now going to be adding the hide option to their personal CSS in droves. [[user:violetriga|violet/riga]] [[User_talk:violetriga|(t)]] 23:12, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

It makes the site completely unusable. Where do we protest? Also, the monobook fix doesn't seem to work for me. [[User:Espresso Addict|Espresso Addict]] 23:14, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Someone mentioned objectionable comments above, I'm particularly fond of the bit saying '''thank you for telling me the truth about 9/11''' scrolling across the main page. [[User:Narco|Narco]] 23:15, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Agree with all- the scrolling is a nightmare. Will be implementing the fix asap. [[User:Badgerpatrol|Badgerpatrol]] 23:19, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

I've [[MediaWiki talk:Common.js#Option to collapse fundraising banner|suggested]] a way for the administrators here to add an opt-out link or something using JavaScript. At least we should be able to turn off the [[Digital on-screen graphic|ticker]]. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mxn|Minh Nguyễn]] <small>([[User talk:Mxn|talk]], [[Special:Contributions/Mxn|contribs]])</small> 23:23, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

::How do we get rid of it? Its incredibly distracting. Why do we need ads? A little link is enough. This is pretty much like [[adware]].

Wikipedia was one of the very few sites where I never needed to use AdBlock+. Until now. I fully understand you pursue a very noble goal, but the kind of advertising method you chose to employ is simply NOT acceptable for any reason whatsoever. Please consider the the fact that annoying visitors is simply not a good way to plea for their help. [[User:24.83.195.130|24.83.195.130]] 23:34, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

<big>So bringing a complaint here yields "sorry, it's hard coded" and bringing a complain [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Fundraising_2007#Banner_ad here] yields "this is about wikipedia, not us". Wikipedia really has been taken over by corporate interests, they've got customer support pat!</big>

I personally agree the scrolling needs to stop, but at least there is a dismiss option (I can definitely see how it would be unbearable without one). Where is the proper place to discuss the content of the banner? I would like to weigh in, as first impressions are important on a behemoth project like wiki. [[User:Halond|Halond]] 23:44, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
:Please [[WP:CACHE|bypass your cache]] (usually Ctrl+F5) to view a temporary dismiss button. [[User:Gracenotes|<span style="color:#960;">Grace</span><span style="color:#000;">notes</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Gracenotes|<span style="color:#960;">T</span>]]</sup> <span title="Talk:Main Page">§</span> 23:52, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Whose idea was this? It was a terrible one. [[User:Pacific Coast Highway|Pacific Coast Highway]] <sup><font color="orange"><b>{</b>[[User talk:Pacific Coast Highway|Trick]] • [[Special:Contributions/Pacific Coast Highway|or treat!]]<b>}</b></font></sup> 23:53, 22 October 2007 (UTC)</font>

:Evidently it was the decision of the Wikimedia Foundation. <font face="Edwardian Script ITC" size="3">[[User:Dreamafter|<font color="red">Lord Dreamy</font>]]</font> <font size="2">[[User talk:Dreamafter|<font color="purple"><sup>tm</sup></font>]]</font> 23:54, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

===Troubleshooting Fix===
*Does anyone else find that the codes above don't work? (I'm assuming they should be in monobook). I'm using Camino (ie, Mac-ized Firefox) on a Mac OS X 10.4. Any help would place me in your eternal debt. --[[User:Bfigura|<font color="Green">'''B'''</font><font color="Blue">figura</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:Bfigura|talk]])</sup> 23:13, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

:Did you [[MediaWiki:Clearyourcache|clear your cache]]? &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Mxn|Minh Nguyễn]] <small>([[User talk:Mxn|talk]], [[Special:Contributions/Mxn|contribs]])</small> 23:15, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

::Yep. Command-Opt-E on a mac. Also tried quitting and restarting the browswer. :-\ --[[User:Bfigura|<font color="Green">'''B'''</font><font color="Blue">figura</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:Bfigura|talk]])</sup> 23:19, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

:::Are you using [[Special:Mypage/monobook.js|this]], or [[Special:Mypage/monobook.css|this]]? You should put the code:
div#siteNotice {display:none}
in your [[Special:Mypage/monobook.css|monobook.css]]. <font face="Edwardian Script ITC" size="3">[[User:Dreamafter|<font color="red">Lord Dreamy</font>]]</font> <font size="2">[[User talk:Dreamafter|<font color="purple"><sup>tm</sup></font>]]</font> 23:22, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

: The marquee code needs to go. I'm all in favor of contributing to Wikipedia by any means possible, including donations, but this is more likely to annoy people than anything. [[User:Can't sleep, clown will eat me|Can't sleep, clown will eat me]] 23:23, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
:A bit of a disclaimer about that code: it will hide all future site notices, not just the donation notice now. [[User:Gracenotes|<span style="color:#960;">Grace</span><span style="color:#000;">notes</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Gracenotes|<span style="color:#960;">T</span>]]</sup> <span title="Talk:Main Page">§</span> 23:30, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

I don't even know anything about the marquee code, I just used the one above. <font face="Edwardian Script ITC" size="3">[[User:Dreamafter|<font color="red">Lord Dreamy</font>]]</font> <font size="2">[[User talk:Dreamafter|<font color="purple"><sup>tm</sup></font>]]</font> 23:24, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

It's been resolved. Apparently, I'm a bit of an idiot :) Many thanks all. --[[User:Bfigura|<font color="Green">'''B'''</font><font color="Blue">figura</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:Bfigura|talk]])</sup> 23:27, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, that seems to work! [[User:Espresso Addict|Espresso Addict]] 23:29, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

:The box at the top is really annoying, and I noticed the lack of a "[dismiss]" button, like always. Additionally, it's making my computer go even slower when editing. I can barely even see the edit cursor on my computer. This should be modified. [[User:166.129.150.188|166.129.150.188]] 23:36, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

::Again, it cannot be edited, unless you are a programmer. <font face="Edwardian Script ITC" size="3">[[User:Dreamafter|<font color="red">Lord Dreamy</font>]]</font> <font size="2">[[User talk:Dreamafter|<font color="purple"><sup>tm</sup></font>]]</font> 23:37, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

:This is now a dismiss link, only as a stopgap solution for complaints. [[WP:CACHE|Bypass your cache]] (usually Ctrl+R) to view it. [[User:Gracenotes|<span style="color:#960;">Grace</span><span style="color:#000;">notes</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Gracenotes|<span style="color:#960;">T</span>]]</sup> <span title="Talk:Main Page">§</span> 23:43, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

I can't help mentioning: this is not only about scrolling, the presentation is tasteless - the yellow polo over black t-shirt... the beard... the close-up of his eyes and hands, ugh, and then it abruptly goes back to reply this over and over. With so many volunteers around, could someone do a better job? it looks like a mock-up of a Steve Jobs' keynote presentation. - [[user:Alsandro|Alsandro]] · [[user talk:Alsandro|T]] · [[:ka:user:Alsandro|w:ka:]] [http://ka.wikipedia.org/wiki/user_talk:Alsandro?action=history Th] · [[:ka:user talk:Alsandro|T]] 23:52, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

:Could someone please tell me where to find the monobook.css file (or equivalent)? (I'm using Firefox on a W2000 system.) Thanks. (I wasn't planning to make a donation anytime soon, but that annoying scroll makes it official.) Thanks, [[User:Wanderer57|Wanderer57]] 23:59, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
::Try [[User:Wanderer57/monobook.css]]. --[[User:Bfigura|<font color="Green">'''B'''</font><font color="Blue">figura</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:Bfigura|talk]])</sup> 00:02, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
::::Thank you! That opens a whole new dimension of Wikipedia to me. I probably won't do any editing for months. ''':o)''' [[User:Wanderer57|Wanderer57]] 00:14, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

I wouldn't have even looked at that ad, naturally tuning it out, if not for the fact that I was so disgusted with the idea of Wikipedia having ads. Then I thought "They must be in dire straights to put in ads, maybe I'll click it" then I realised what it was. Surely a better idea could have been found than this? --[[User:69.138.69.107|69.138.69.107]] 00:02, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
::Wikibake sales? [[User:Wanderer57|Wanderer57]] 00:14, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
:What? <font face="Edwardian Script ITC" size="3">[[User:Dreamafter|<font color="red">Lord Dreamy</font>]]</font> <font size="2">[[User talk:Dreamafter|<font color="purple"><sup>tm</sup></font>]]</font> 00:32, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
::Hi Lord. It was just a joke in answer to the previous comment. "Wiki" plus "bake sale". Maybe they don't have bake sales where you are. Cheers, [[User:Wanderer57|Wanderer57]] 06:11, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

=== English wikipedia ===

If this is the english wikipedia, why do we have messages from people who donate funds in different languages; surely they should be translated? Is it time for another fundraising event?--[[User:Hadseys|Hadseys]] 23:27, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

:Well, it is a lot of programming work to make one for every language. <font face="Edwardian Script ITC" size="3">[[User:Dreamafter|<font color="red">Lord Dreamy</font>]]</font> <font size="2">[[User talk:Dreamafter|<font color="purple"><sup>tm</sup></font>]]</font> 23:29, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
::*In which case, just omit the foreign language statements. I don't like the whole idea anyway, it feels to me as if I'm being pressured to raise funds, which isn't right --[[User:Hadseys|Hadseys]] 23:37, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
:::If you really want it changed, you could go to the [[Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)|village pump]], and ask there, or poke a programmer, though, they may be a little grouchy. <font face="Edwardian Script ITC" size="3">[[User:Dreamafter|<font color="red">Lord Dreamy</font>]]</font> <font size="2">[[User talk:Dreamafter|<font color="purple"><sup>tm</sup></font>]]</font> 23:41, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
I agree with the above. Plus it's really ugly.. :/ — [[User:Jackrm|<b><font color="Red">j</font><font color="black">acĸrм </font></b>]]<small>([[User_talk:Jackrm|<font color="Black">talk</font>]])</small> 00:49, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

=== Make it better ===

Fundraising is unfortunately necessary, but the ugly banner is not. If we can design a better banner, we can replace it. Please contribute to [[Wikipedia:Fundraising redesign]]. [[User:Dragons flight|Dragons flight]] 05:07, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
:That page is totally worth a visit just for the image. Heh. - [[User:BanyanTree|Banyan]][[User talk:BanyanTree|Tree]] 22:30, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

== That annoying Wikipedia Money advertisement ==

Hoe do you get rid of it? Ive cleared my cache several times but it is still staring at me. It is annoying and distracting. I can't even read whatever language they're saying. Please remove it. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/71.112.227.133|71.112.227.133]] ([[User talk:71.112.227.133|talk]]) 04:26, 23 October 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:You can't do anything about it. You'd have to register to "dismiss" it. --'''[[User:Howard the Duck|<font color="#FFA500">Howard</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Howard the Duck|<font color="#FFA500">the</font>]] [[User talk:Howard the Duck|<font color="#FFA500">Duck</font>]]''' 05:00, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
:If you're using Firefox, install the Adblock extension and block the following:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:NoticeLoader&action=raw
: which will stop it showing up at all (once you've refreshed the page) even if the CSS is changed – [[User talk:Gurch|Gurch]] 05:27, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

At least could the languages be identified - might as well "learn a factoid". [[User:Jackiespeel|Jackiespeel]] 17:14, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

I couldn't agree more, translate them or omit them, its very silly. [[User:Brando130|Brando130]] 17:28, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
:The quotes totally threw me until I realised they weren't in English - the worst bit is the fund raising page they link to has no mention or explanation of them! [[User:86.147.148.96|86.147.148.96]] 19:44, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Is there any way to read all the different things people have said when they contributed?[[User:71.56.155.117|71.56.155.117]] 00:28, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

:I don't believe there is... <font face="Edwardian Script ITC" size="3">[[User:Dreamafter|<font color="red">Lord Dreamy</font>]]</font> <font size="2">[[User talk:Dreamafter|<font color="purple"><sup>§</sup></font>]]</font> 00:31, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

::There really should be. Some of these comments are really worth looking at. '' "You iz da most best guy, all Hungarian people love you! :)" '' I'm sure Jimbo is happy about being the "da most best guy". [[User:Pacific Coast Highway|Pacific Coast Highway]] <sup><font color="orange"><b>{</b>[[User talk:Pacific Coast Highway|Trick]] • [[Special:Contributions/Pacific Coast Highway|or treat!]]<b>}</b></font></sup> 01:04, 24 October 2007 (UTC)</font>

:Try [http://donate.wikimedia.org/en/fundcore_browse here] to view the contribution notes. &#10154;[[User_talk:HiDrNick|<span style="color:#CC3300">Hi</span><span style="color:#0088FF"><b>DrNick</b></span>]]! 03:57, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

How do I edit it? The line in spanish has 3 spelling mistakes.--[[User:84.108.69.102|84.108.69.102]] 13:38, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

== Radical proposal ==

Lets add a Featured Quote of the day![[User:Tourskin|Tourskin]] 00:43, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
:That could actually be pretty interesting, where could it go though?<br>[[User:Ferdiaob|Ferdia O'Brien]] <small><span style="-moz-border-radius: 5px; border: solid 2px #ff0000; background-color: #96d4ff; color=#1200ff">The Archiver, Reformatter And Vandal Watchman</span> ([[User talk:Ferdiaob|Talk]])</small> 01:08, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
::I would say that it should go between the featured article section, and the Did you know... section. <font face="Edwardian Script ITC" size="3">[[User:Dreamafter|<font color="red">Lord Dreamy</font>]]</font> <font size="2">[[User talk:Dreamafter|<font color="purple"><sup>§</sup></font>]]</font> 01:09, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
:::Wikiquote says "Hi!" [[User:The Placebo Effect|The Placebo Effect]] 01:13, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
::::(edit conflict) Wikipedia is not wikiquote. [[User:PseudoEdit|<span style="color:red"><b>PseudoEdit </b></span>]]<small><sup>([[User talk:PseudoEdit|yak]]) </sup><sub>([[Special:Contributions/PseudoEdit|track]])</sub></small> 01:14, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
:::If you put this between the featured article section, and the Did you know... section, how many items would you remove from In the news and On This Day to maintain some sort of balanced layout? [[User:Zzyzx11|Zzyzx11]] [[User talk:Zzyzx11|(Talk)]] 02:01, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
::Remove? I would say add, to keep it equal. Like this:

{| class="wikitable"
|-
| Today's featured article
| In the news
|-
| Did you know...
| On this day...
|}

{| class="wikitable"
|-
| Today's featured article
| In the news
|-
| Featured Quote
|-
| Did you know...
| On this day...
|}
You see? <font face="Edwardian Script ITC" size="3">[[User:Dreamafter|<font color="red">Lord Dreamy</font>]]</font> <font size="2">[[User talk:Dreamafter|<font color="purple"><sup>§</sup></font>]]</font> 02:06, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

The point of the main page is to feature the encyclopedia's ''content''. A quote is not encyclopedia content. Plus, how would they be seleted? "*'''Support''' very intelligent sounding" and "*'''Oppose''' doesn't sound good"? That's rather subjective, as can be expected, since there is really no objective way to pick a quote. In conclusion, this isn't happening. [[User:Picaroon|Picaroon]] [[User talk:Picaroon|(t)]] 02:10, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

:I was merely pointing out how it ''might'' fit in. <font face="Edwardian Script ITC" size="3">[[User:Dreamafter|<font color="red">Lord Dreamy</font>]]</font> <font size="2">[[User talk:Dreamafter|<font color="purple"><sup>§</sup></font>]]</font> 02:12, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

This wouldn't fit well, as wikipeida is not a repository of quotations. We have [[Wikiquote]] for that purpose. '''[[User:Firefoxman|ff]]<font color="darkgreen">[[User talk:Firefoxman|m]]</font>''' 13:46, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

===Featured media of the day===
If you want to put something new on the main page, I think it would be a much better idea to do a "featured media" of the day - a movie or sound file, like the Media-of-the-day I set up on Commons. [[User:Raul654|Raul654]] 02:13, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
:For that one, I must agree. <font face="Edwardian Script ITC" size="3">[[User:Dreamafter|<font color="red">Lord Dreamy</font>]]</font> <font size="2">[[User talk:Dreamafter|<font color="purple"><sup>§</sup></font>]]</font> 02:14, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
:This sounds like a better suggestion than the quote thing. But are there enough featured media files for one a day? [[User:Picaroon|Picaroon]] [[User talk:Picaroon|(t)]] 02:24, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
::There is a large enough pool of videos and sounds to feature a different one every day for several years. (I say this having upload a very large number myself) But they aren't "featured", because the "featured sounds" process is basically a ghost town, and there is no such "featured video" designation that I know of. [[User:Raul654|Raul654]] 02:42, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
:::I think it might be cool to have a variable section. The first day a video, then a list, then a sound etc. Maybe a different type of a thing every day of the week. I think it would be cool, if technically possible.<br /><b>Note:</b> I didn't really think about it too much, so there's probably a major flaw. Oh well...[[User:{{{User|Puchiko}}}|{{{User|Puchiko}}}]]&nbsp;([[User talk:{{{User|Puchiko}}}|talk]] <small>•</small> [[Special:Contributions/{{{User|Puchiko}}}|contribs]]&nbsp;<small>•</small> [[Special:Emailuser/{{{User|Puchiko}}}|email]]) 13:48, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

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