Template talk:Politics of Scotland

Image

Since creation this template has carried an image of the flag of Scotland. User:Astrotrain has been trying to unilaterally, without explanation, change the image to the Arms of the United Kingdom. What do other users think? --Mais oui! 10:46, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

In response:

• It is standard to use the coat of arms in a politics template rather than a national flag
• The coat of arms is actively used in politics, appearing on all Acts of Parliament, offical documents, court buildings etc
• The Scottish Executive's arms and logo all feature the arms
• The arms are the main image in the politics section of the main Scotland page Astrotrain 11:32, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

What is wrong with using the Scottish arms? - Calgacus (ΚΑΛΓΑΚΟΣ) 12:07, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

We are using the Royal Arms in Scotland, which are actually still in use, as noted above. Astrotrain 12:24, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Politics of X templates I looked at show coats of arms. Is there any reason why Scotland should buck the trend ? Which coat of arms it should be can easily be determined by looking at official documents to see what they use. Angus McLellan (Talk) 13:31, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

I'd prefer the flag, which is symbolic of the Nation of Scotland, whereas the arms of the UK are the arms of the UK Monarch, with English bias. The Scottish Arms would be more acceptable than the UK Arms, but overall I'd say the National Flag would be preferable. File:Icons-flag-scotland.png Canæn File:Icons-flag-scotland.png 06:40, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

I see no reason why the Scottish Quatering has been removed in favour of the National Flag, when all the Courts, Parliament and the Executive use the Royal coat of arms of Scotland. Now some Scots may feel that Scotland should be a republic but this is an encyclopedia meant to represent reality not political points of view. Unless I hear to the contrary I will report the continued changes as a Point of View Dispute and request a formal vote with intervention from senior editors. Davidkinnen 21:55, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

This all came up some weeks ago: we cannot use the "Scottish Quartering" in templates, because of image licensing issues. The UK arms were also removed from Template:Politics of the United Kingdom for this reason. Please see Template talk:Politics of Scotland#Free use image section, below. --Mais oui! 10:13, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

We cannot use the Royal Coat of Arms as it is Crown Copyright however I have changed it to the Scottish Executive's logo as this is the symbol of the goverment of Scotland. --Barry^talk 21:56, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

But Barry, the exact same rules apply to those Arms as they do to the Royal Arms: we cannot use them in templates. (In addition in must be pointed out that this template covers all Scottish politics, not just the Scottish Executive, which is only one topic in a very wide range of articles.) --Mais oui! 09:59, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Not only was the use of the Royal coat of arms of the United Kingdom as used in Scotland not usable but using the Lion Rampant without permission from the Lord Lyon is a technically a criminal offence. I will revert to the Flag of Scotland. Davidkinnen 19:55, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

The offence is not 'use' or display but rather 'usurpation'. There is a very noteworthy difference. --Breadandcheese 14:42, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Template use

I have been using the template in articles about Scottish Parliament constituencies. Not sure this is appropriate, as individual constituency articles are not listed by in the template itself. Is there a similar template, without This article is part of the series: (which seems to imply that the article in which the template appears should be listed as one of the series) and designed to sit at the foot of an article page? Laurel Bush 10:09, 26 June 2006 (UTC).

Free use image

Is the image used on this template free use? I was under the impression that Royal Arms and departmental logos may not be reproduced freely. Unless, of course, authorisation to reproduce the departmental logo and use it here has been obtained, but I do not see that on the image page.--Bob 17:31, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

You are quite correct. They spotted the same issue over at the UK politics template in May, and promptly removed the Arms:

• Template talk:Politics of the United Kingdom#Royal Arms in templates

I have restored the flag which was used until recently. --Mais oui! 22:39, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Parliamentary Election

I've switched the title of the Scottish Parliamentary Elections from General Election to Parliamentary Election so as to avoid confusion with the UK wide General Election for those not altogether familiar with the various elections present throughout the UK. There seems to be little activity on the talk page so I've made the changes but if anybody wants to switch it back and start a discussion, feel free. Kind Regards - Heligoland | Talk | Contribs 19:11, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Elections to the Scottish Parliament are called general elections please see this discussion Talk:Scottish Parliament election, 2007#Is this really a General Election? and the Scottish Parliament election pages states that it is for the devolved parliament.--Barry^talk 21:39, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

There's no consensus for the wording "General Election" on that page at all, the consensus, if anything points towards "General election to the Scottish Parliament" or some such similar wording. Kind Regards - Heligoland | Talk | Contribs 18:01, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Scottish Government

Surely the offical name of "Scottish Executive" should be used rather than the unoffical term?

Indeed it should, as it is the term officially used by the Scottish Executive and is the legal term (although some may dispute that it is used more widely than statute permits to refer to the entire Scottish Administration. --Breadandcheese 14:43, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Well the new official name is "Scottish Government", Scottish Executive is now confined to contracts and legislation. --Barryob Vigeur de dessus 09:24, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Arms

This is not the Coat of arms of Scotland it is the Coat of arms of the United Kingdom for use in Scotland, its use in this template is wrong --Barryob (Contribs) (Talk) 20:49, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

That is obviously incorrect. These are the Royal Arms used in Scotland (which is part of the UK anyway). It's use in this template is correct since it is the arms used by the Scottish Government, and the arms that appear on all Acts of the Scottish Parliament and statutory instruments. It appears on all Scottish court buildings.