Talk:Labyrinth (1986 film)

Should there be a link to a page just about Labyrinths for people interested in mazes...

No need; People looking for mazes would go to Labyrinth straigth away and not to Labyrinth (film). --Fritz S. 14:27, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

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The other version listed the writer as Dennis Lee. Anyone resolve this? Meelar 23:11, 30 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Story by Lee and Henson, screenplay by Jones, according to the credits. --Paul A 03:38, 3 Apr 2004 (UTC)

I am shocked and appalled that in a wiki article on the labyrinth there is not one mention of the legendary, yet frightening, bowie bulge. It just pokes out of the screen at you; one time it was the only thing in focus on the camera as if it was drawing the cosmic energy of the film unto itself.

Link to changeling?

I was going to be bold and remove the link, but I figured I'd ask here before I do so: why does the text "take away her screaming baby brother" link to changeling? Is it a reference to what Jareth plans to do with her brother? Thanks, Deathphoenix 15:47, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

• Hi, I think it should stay. Sometimes, for example, there is a phrase in another article that goes: "and she was [[xenophobia|afraid of strangers]]". And other examples, too. I think it shows that there is a page on Wikipedia devoted to that subject. Hope it helps. ^KILO-_LIMA 23:07, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

• I agree-it should stay, the kidnapping of her brother resembles the changeling myth, but perhaps it should be referenced in a better way. Seavv 04:17, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

Influences

The "two people, one who always lies and one who always tells the truth" scenario didn't originate with Labyrinth. Is there any reason to think that their Powerpuff Girls appearance was specifically inspired by their Labyrinth appearance? Sailorptah 20:29, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Same with the new Samurai Jack addition. It's likely these were inspired by Labyrinth, because creator Genndy Tartakovsky is a nerd, but unless there's some citation to back this up, I propose the "spoofs" of this classic riddle be removed. However, the Order of the Stick reference appears to be spoofing Labyrinth somewhat, as they use the line "certain doom." —Ragdoll 20:26, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

The "knights & knaves" puzzle in which one person tells only the truth & another tells only lies was created by Raymond Smullyan, not by this film. Frankly, I'm surprised they were invented as recently as they were. I've removed the "Influence..." section not because the header isn't valid, but because all the information contained therein was based on the logic puzzle. -mordicai. 02:46, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Something to consider. Paying real close attention reveals that both doors were lying. Confirming that the Labyrinth is not fair. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Zerothis (talk • contribs) 08:01, 12 December 2006 (UTC).

The Knights and Knaves puzzle has appeared in popular culture long before Labyrinth such as in the 1975 Doctor Who serial, Pyramids_of_Mars. In fact, it appears in a more pure form in the Doctor Who episode than in Labyrinth. So it should not be automatically assumed that latter iterations of the puzzle are necessarily homages to any one particular source.IanThal 13:56, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Author of book

Please update this article to a link to the author of the book http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A._C._H._Smith thistlechick 18:14, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Someone has done this Adrian J. Hunter 13:06, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

My bad- I added the reference without mentioning here that I had done. -mordicai. 20:14, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

The article says that Labyrinth is BASED on the book by A.C.H. Smith. This is not correct. A.C.H. Smith wrote the novelization of the movie; the movie came first then the book, so the movie is not BASED on the book. Can someone please fix that?

Bowie does gurgling

David Bowie admits in the documentary about the Labrynth that he did baby Toby's sounds in the song Magic Dance because the baby wouldn't gurgle.

David Bowie's "gurgles" only appear in the soundtrack release and 12" record of "Magic Dance" and not on the actual movie.

Yeah you're right. Also on the Soundtrack it is *so obvious* that the noise is Bowie messing about and not a real baby!Gunstar hero 16:59, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

What the h*** George Lucas banner is doing there?

Labirynth was creation of Jim Henson!

Did you look at it? He was a producer on the film. - Zepheus <ツィフィアス> 17:26, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Interpretation Section

The interpretation section is wholly original editorializing, and per WP standards, it should either be removed or edited to reflect published commentary. If there is no comment on this within a week of me posting this, I will take the action of removing the interpretation section. Azlib77 19:35, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

I support this, it's blatant OR. Cop 633 22:20, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

I don't support deleting the Intepretation section. Theoretically to say, Labyrinth is a children's film, it has many under-meanings to it and that's a part of its beauty. The lead female Sarah is in an in-between stage of maturing from a girl to a woman and the film is a fantasy type. Deleting this section would be like cutting away the fantasy part of the film. The intepretation section is the only place where one can express and share their intepretation on the movie and its many meanings. In stead of deleting it, I suggest careful supervision over it. Sythe 23/11/2006, Bangkok Thailand.

As interesting a read the Interpretation Section is unfortunately it contains far too much original research and speculation at the moment to remain. It should be either removed (though it could be maintained on another site) or overhauled with references to any relevant published research, should such research exist. I like it too but it is full of Wikipedia No-Nos I'm afraid :( --GracieLizzie 23:29, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm surprised this section makes no mention of the importance of the fact that only 3 of the female characters in this movie are significant. One of the few places where females are seen (and they are all minor characters) is at the grownup party. There is much personal enmity between Sarah's and the other two females in the movie. Her real mother is deceased. All of Sarah's companions are male (even Ambrosia and Merlin). Sarah holds some level of authority over all the main male characters (Hoggle, Ludo, Sir Didimus, Jareth, Toby, Merlin). If I weren't such a dumb male I would probably see the meaning behind this--Zerothis 08:28, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Actually, the script called for the junk lady to be a puppet being manipulated by Jareth. I guess this proved to difficult to preform and was changed. So Sarah's stepmother is the only major female character. And, there is no major female characters in the labyrinth, only minor ones at the adult masquerade.--75.111.20.47 15:35, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

I have removed the interpretations section, due to the aforementioned problems.--Drat (Talk) 13:48, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Would it be appropriate to keep the Interpretation heading, if there was a simple statement such as "fans have published online articles that explore possible interpretations of the film, including Jungian and Freudian symbolism. (etc)" And then include the links to these articles? We could also quote statements of intent from the creators that the film "mean something" (to quote Henson in the making-of documentary) with citations, of course. It seems a pity not to acknowledge the deeper interpretations of the film just because there hasn't been conventionally published material about it.--Psipes 06:00, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

There's nothing to stop someone recreating the section using citations and such. I removed the section entirely because it was just some random person's interpretation. In fact, it had recently been expanded with some IP user's screwball theory that Sarah murdered Toby.--Drat (Talk) 06:18, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

I need the interpretation section. I can't find it in the edit history, and it was the main reason I send people here to read this article in the first place. Coolgamer 01:08, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

This is the last diff before I removed it. I don't see why it'd be much use though. It's just someone(s) random BS ideas.--Drat (Talk) 05:57, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Themes Section

This seems to have the same problem as the aforementioned Interpretation section, but I feel like some acknowledgement of the themes should be made, if only through links to off-site articles. (See my suggestion under Interpretation Section discussion.)--Psipes 06:13, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Merge discussion for The Bog of Eternal Stench

• Merge As this can easily be incorporated into the Labyrinth article. OverMyHead 15:47, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Absolutely.--NeilEvans 22:09, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

• 'Merge and redirect speedily. This is such a silly article. - Zepheus <ゼィフィアス> 18:26, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
• Merge, definitely while I could understand Jareth or Toby having there own articles as they play important parts in both this and Return to Labyrinth I'm not sure the bog is significant enough to warrant it's own article. Does it play an important role in Return to Labyrinth? --GracieLizzie 18:39, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
• Merge Having read Return to Labyrinth, I can tell you it has no significant role in it at all. I believe it's mentioned once from Jareth, as a usual threat to some lackey. FAE 06:02, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
• Merge without further delay. --mordicai. 23:43, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
• Merge immediately. The current version isn't even worthy of being called an article, quite apart from its superfluous subject matter.Gunstar hero 17:03, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

External Links

I'm removing the external links to fansites per WP:EL. The sites are not verifiable sources. Jtconroy88 04:32, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Character list

First of all kudos to the person who added all that information on the characters in the film. However, I feel that it is a bit excessive. Personally I think only Sarah and Jareth should be given any great detail as they are the main characters, the protagonist and antagonist. All the other characters are surplus and should only be listed on this page with one or two short sentences. What do other people think?--NeilEvans 00:07, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Definitely excessive detail. Take the shears to it.--Drat (Talk) 02:23, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

So you take it upon yourself to cut it down just because you want to keep the article short? The Labyrinth franchise is in the process of expansion. Do you think the people involved would really approve?— Preceding unsigned comment added by JTheGoblinKing (talk • contribs)

The people behind the productions don't own the article. This isn't meant to be a fansite spilling over with trivial detail.--Drat (Talk) 09:42, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Cut it down! It's ridiculous. When 'the junk lady' (who has like, one scene) is being given as much space as Jareth and Sarah combined, it's fairly obvious that the article has lost its direction. As they stand the two character lists are little more than elaborate trivia sections.Gunstar hero 17:07, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Anniversary Edition DVD

Would it be worth mentioning that a new remastered anniversary edition of Labyrinth is being released in September and it will feature never-before-seen footage and new interviews with various cast and crew?

Return to Labyrinth

I am removing the mentions of Return to Labyrinth from the character area. This is an article about the movie, not the manga. I do not intend to remove the section on the manga, but by all means, give it its own article and put character synopsizes there.

Sting??

What's all this about Sting? I thought it was David Bowie? IMDB agrees with me...

Actually, looks like vandalism...I reverted it.

The DVD documentary suggests that Sting and Micheal Jackson were the two artists considered along with Bowie during the early writing stages. That may have been the source of the joke. Gunstar hero 17:10, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Everyone always says that Henson said they were the other two choices, using the behind the scenes as reference. But in that footage, all he said was that he wanted a pop musician to play the role and then, in an "off the top of his head" fashion, he proceeded to name a few. Trakx (talk) 02:03, 29 December 2007 (UTC)