User talk:CJKC

Hello, thanks for registering

I've posted a welcome box below, they are usually handy for quick links to policies and sources of help. In response to your messages on my talk page - I don't anyone is specifically trying to prevent you from including mention if the civil recovery laws and civil sanctions for shoplifting. We have many issues on Wikipedia with editors who we describe as single purpose accounts. These are folks who have a specific agenda in mind, i.e. insertion of a particular type of information into one or a set of related articles. Sometimes, IP editors are identified as showing this type of disruptive activity when they intended to be constructive and are simply unaware of the 'way things are done around these parts.'

I would suggest starting off with small edits and discussing the information you would like to add on a talk page. It is essential that you provide specific citations to where you find particular information - it needs to be from a reliable third party source, like a newspaper/magazine/book/journal etc. The directions on creating a citation are at this page. If you believe that the phenomena of civil recovery demands is important enough to warrant its own article, you might consider creating Civil Recovery Demands or Civil Recovery Demands (Shoplifting) and including a "See also" in the shoplifting article. Let me know if this helps or if you have difficulties with this sort of thing. ^Avruchtalk 18:29, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks Avruch! I really think that Wikipedia needs an article on Civil Recovery for Shoplifting but I think that it should be written by an attorney who knows how to research the current laws on civil recovery or who could get the current research from someone like Civil Demand Associates in California. Maybe Civil Demand Associates would write an article for Wikipedia as a public service. It is difficult for attorneys to talk about Civil Recovery for Shoplifting beyond what a specific state's laws indicate and you see that all of the Internet Sites are not terribly specific about the mixed practice of criminal and civil sanctions, etc... and the laws are changing as we see by the Tennessee Statute http://www.attorneygeneral.org/shoplift.html (DAG, 7th JD, TN:Shoplifting) Not being an attorney, I'm not sure that this statute, in practice, in any way prevents the local police from arresting or ticketing shoplifting suspects on probable cause for larceny shoplifting if this is the policy of the city. It may be that cities can continue to ticket or arrest shoplifters on probable cause for theft but just can't prosecute the defendant for larceny if the defendant agrees to pay a civil demand to the retailer. All very complicated. Maybe the Prosecutor drops the criminal charges or never files them or there is a Plea Bargain, or Rehabilitation, etc.. and the bond is forfeited to the city? And, there is big business in the expungement of arrest records. I am not qualified to write this article because I am not an attorney but it needs to be written in the interests of protecting the rights promised under our Constitution. It needs to be written in a neutral manner that doesn't disguise the purpose and the affect of civil demand letters, the subsidy, given to US retailers.

CJKC 16:15 30 Jan 08

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Avruch Good luck, and have fun. --^Avruchtalk 18:22, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

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Hello. In case you didn't know, when you add content to talk pages and Wikipedia pages that have open discussion, you should sign your posts by typing four tildes ( ~~~~ ) at the end of your comment. You may also click on the signature button located above the edit window. This will automatically insert a signature with your username or IP address and the time you posted the comment. This information is useful because other editors will be able to tell who said what, and when. Thank you. nat.utoronto 21:32, 30 January 2008 (UTC)