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Gucci Gang controversy

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Article seems to be built on innuendo, allegations, suspicions, and gossip. Almost all the refs are from one source - Philippine Daily Inquirer. While I can't claim to know much about PDI, the fact that over half the refs come from that one source, with two more coming from Blogger.com, throws serious doubt on the Notability of the article. Furthermore, the event happened two weeks ago - we have no way of knowing how significant the event might be - a flash in the pan, or not? SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 05:43, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

the issue is very insignificant. the article was clearly made for personal motives.. i don't think wikipedia is a place for gossips because people go here for relevant information. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.163.207.161 (talk) 13:07, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Well, there are references from Manila Standard Today and The Philippine Star, not just the Philippine Daily Inquirer. Notability does not specify that there shouldn't be a majority source, but instead specifies that there are multiple sources, which the article seems to meet. As for the "built on innuendo... gossip" well, the whole subject is a gossip event so that's unavoidable. I'm not for the retention/deletion of the article; I'm just replying to your points that I don't think has a substantial bearing on the worthiness of the article's existence. --seav (talk) 06:40, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

• Keep. Article meets notability guidelines and independent sourcing. The reason why other Philippine newspapers do not dare tackle the subject is because some of the people mentioned in the blog work as lifestyle columnists in such publications (i.e. Celine Lopez and Tim Yap for The Philippine Star). Controversial news topics have also become Wikipedia articles within weeks after the issue "exploded", check Edison Chen photo scandal. Starczamora (talk) 07:29, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
• Keep. It's been covered by the local media. PDI is the widest read newspaper in the Philippines. If it's covered by Inquirer, it's notable. The nature of the internet in terms of news is its ability to be viral, hence in just a short amount of time the attention and publicity is intense. It could be a flash in the pan but that is the nature of viral picks. Berserkerz Crit (talk) 09:26, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
• Keep. Aside from PDI, another widely read Philippine newspaper, Manila Standard Today, has published an article on the said controversy (footnote no. 9). A Wikipedia article about a controversy is not claiming that the issue is true, it just states that there is such a controversy of public interest. The blog concerned has also gained a phenomenal number of hits, which means that the issue cannot be ignored or excluded from history. Lenoil odarama (talk) 15:13, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
• Delete. WP:NOT#NEWS -- a single bout of news coverage does not make a topic notable. If it proves to be more than a flash in the pan, it can always be re-created, or reconsidered at a deletion review, but per WP:CRYSTAL it shouldn't be allowed to stay on the assumption that this will be the case. —Snthdiueoa (talk|contribs) 14:30, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
• Comment. Is not it weird that the nominator was anonymous? If the article clearly was written with personal motives, I would have not included the Legal issues and Criticisms on freedom of speech in blogging sections. Starczamora (talk) 14:41, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Actually, I nom'd this article. The IP wrote their comments above mine. I've moved theirs to clean up the header and prevent confusion. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 15:41, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for clearing that up. Starczamora (talk) 15:45, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

• Keep. Plenty of verifiable notability. It's a messy subject, yeah, but if one can't go to Wikipedia for an encyclopedic report on this sort of crap then where can one go? This internet phenomonon or whatever we want to call it may be (as an editor above states) "a flash in the pan" but so are various obscure military commanders, investors and artists whom history has forgotten but Wikipedia hasn't! - House of Scandal (talk) 21:49, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Wikinews, that's where. —Snthdiueoa (talk|contribs) 13:56, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Response to all the "keep" nominations. Granted, there are reliable sources and the subject matter is verifiable, however, as I said, it still fails Wikipedia policy that Wikipedia is not a news source. This article should really be transwikied to Wikinews, if it is not there already. —Snthdiueoa (talk|contribs) 13:53, 20 March 2008 (UTC)