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Celia en el mundo

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Fails WP:BK. It has no notability, no major coverage in third-party reliable sources, and the article is completely unreferenced, despite including plot analysis and interpretation, and consist primarily of plot summary and a completely unrelated mention of the television series that it was not adapted for. Not even sure the purpose of that section. Collectonian (talk) 23:10, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

• You are right that WP:BK C3 doesn't apply here, unlike possibly Celia en el colegio. The series as a whole, however, is clearly notable, if only only on WP:BK C3 grounds, so at worst a merge to a series article. Given what I'm finding online, it shouldn't be too hard to reference the notability asserted in the article; I'd do it myself, but my Spanish is rusty enough I don't trust myself to fully evaluate the reliability of sources. Withholding !vote till others have a chance to research. —Quasirandom (talk) 23:43, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

The Celia books are the Little Women and Anne of Green Gables of Spain, they're classics. Why on earth should they be dropped? The books were not written to support the television series, the series was made due to their popularity among children for over seven decades.

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Spain-related deletion discussions. —Quasirandom (talk) 23:47, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Literature-related deletion discussions. —Quasirandom (talk) 23:47, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

• Keep need to avoid recentism and systemic bias. Book is of notable author. Not a tie-in as it antedates the TV material. Criteria 3 and 5 look likely to be fulfilled to me. Book sourcing can be difficult online due to wading thru online booksellers. Should notify spanish wikiproject methinks. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 04:21, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Has nothing to do with either "recentism" nor "systemic bias." If author is notable, why does she have no article either? Online searches for information about her almost all book store listings. If she's notable, please actually show it rather than just say it. Give the sources and fix the articles. Also, from above del sorts, Spanish project was notified. FYI, though these are claimed by the creator to be "classics" and important to Spanish literature, there are no articles for any of the Cecil books on the Spanish Wikipedia. There is a single very brief article on the television series and a brief one on the author.Collectonian (talk) 04:20, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Lack of online content means little in this case - many older notable folks lack articles - much of the online info on various notable people is meagre at best and there are requests all over for various redlinks. Doesn't worry me. I have this hope we can do better research and sourcing than just googling for a few minutes. I have found books essential for all my FAs and an increasing number of my GAs too. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:40, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Yes, but can you do the same here is the question. Its not enough to just say "I'm sure sources exist" but they must actually be provided to point out the notability of this specific book. Collectonian (talk) 05:43, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

I can't as I am not familair with the material. I am extrapolating that there would be from what I have seen and the depths to which material of similar calibre has been covered. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 06:31, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Collectonian, how about understanding a subject and being familiar with it before deciding or judging upon its notability? The arguments you make here are pretty poor; very immature of you to attack the subject by purposely renaming it to "Cecil" (twice), what's Celia done to you? You may be surprised to know that the Spanish Wikipedia lacked an article on Spain and the Deutsch Wikipedia lacked an article on Germany until one was began for each. You should stick to Wikipedia's standard criteria and not rely on your own made up one, then claim that all these users simply "don't know the policies have changed." So far, all your nominations for deletion have been antagonized and not been supported once; this makes your credibility seriously questionable. Please refrain from reviewing further articles of my creation, I'll prefer someone who uses the standard Wikipedia known to all serious contributors, not just yourself. Also, do something about that angry tone you can't help but show in all of your recent comments regarding these articles. Thank you very much and no, this comment isn't meant to "attack." T.W. (talk) 21:32, 20 May 2008 (UTC)