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Columns

What do the columns F, A stand for? --Boguslav (talk) 01:26, 30 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

And do the 'Matches include domestic cups and European competions?--Boguslav (talk) 01:29, 30 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Stats

For the anonymous editor(s) who keep changing the career stats of Mourinho and Grant, please cite a source. Per Soccerbase (here and here) the current ones are correct. SteveO (talk) 02:52, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That source you are referring to records losses on penalty shootouts as draws. This shouldn't be allowed because, for example, if the UEFA Champions League final was truly a "draw", then neither team would have been awarded the trophy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.79.0.22 (talk) 22:03, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Matches decided on penalty shoot-outs are always officially recorded as draws, because that's what they are. The teams have finished level after 120 minutes of football, and have only been separated by an extracurricular exercise. That's why successful kicks are never recorded in a player's stats. FIFA, UEFA, soccerbase etc all record them as draws, and so should Wikipedia. Edit: note how FIFA records England's matches against Portugal [1] or Englandfootballonline records England's matches against West Germany. [2] SteveO (talk) 22:22, 29 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

They are not ALWAYS officially recorded as draws because websites such as the BBC record a penalty shootout as either a win or a loss under a manager's profile. After all, a loss on penalties is still a loss. Logically, if Chelsea had "drawn" with Manchester United in the UEFA Champions League Final, then how come there was an "official" victor?

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 ::Matches decided on penalty shoot-outs are always officially recorded as draws, because that's what they are. The teams have finished level after 120 minutes of football, and have only been separated by an extracurricular exercise. That's why successful kicks are never recorded in a player's stats. FIFA, UEFA, soccerbase etc all record them as draws, and so should Wikipedia. Edit: note how FIFA records England's matches against Portugal [http://www.fifa.com/worldfootball/statisticsandrecords/headtohead/team1=eng/team2=por/index.html] or Englandfootballonline records England's matches against West Germany. [http://www.englandfootballonline.com/Opp/OppWGer.html] [[User:SteveO|SteveO]] ([[User talk:SteveO|talk]]) 22:22, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
+They are not ALWAYS officially recorded as draws because websites such as the BBC record a penalty shootout as either a win or a loss under a manager's profile. After all, a loss on penalties is still a loss. Logically, if Chelsea had "drawn" with Manchester United in the UEFA Champions League Final, then how come there was an "official" victor?