User talk:SpiritBeing

Speedy deletion of Universal Church Of Metaphysics 501(c)3

to get other opinions

I would like to get other opinions on this page. I have reposted this page 4 times now and the users who have been deleting it have consistenly deleted all conversations previous to this, refuse to be reasonable or discuss things in a manner fitting of wikipedia, have started to hide their identieies so they don't get in trouble with wikipedia, and now I would like to invite some other administrators to view this page and give constructive advice as to how to handle this situation. I am feeling rather ganged up on. No matter what I post, my articles are attacked no matter what changes are made, no matter how dry and encyclopedic they are, no matter what I take out or add, and it is beginning to feel like religious discrimination, rather than a true editing or opposition. It also is a matter of opinion as to whether a church is important if it has thousands of members, several branches in three states, corporate registrations in three states and more to come, branches opening in other countries, and ministers who would like to see their church listed on wikipedia. I would like to hear from reasonable people now and seek a deletion resolution process from wikipedia rather than fight with people who don't respond to reasonable changes and additions to this article and others I present. I have joined wikipedia to fill in some of the blanks I see in this site, since there are many subjects that don't seem to be covered here, and this is only the beginning of what I would like to contribute to wikipedia. I believe that reasonable conversations should take place, speedy deletions should not happen without discussions and acknowledgements of changes made, etc. My article keeps getting deleted before I can even finish making the suggested revisions, so it is seeming to be a bit biased and unfair now. I would like another opinion. I hope that a higher administrator is able to take a look at this situation and I will keep seeking a higher administrator until I can reach someone who has reasonable input. Thank you so much for taking a look at this situation. (SpiritBeing (talk)SpiritBeing)

A tag has been placed on Universal Church Of Metaphysics 501(c)3, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G11 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article seems to be blatant advertising which only promotes a company, product, group, service or person and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become an encyclopedia article. Please read the guidelines on spam as well as the Wikipedia:Business' FAQ for more information.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding {{hangon}} to the top of the page that has been nominated for deletion (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the article meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Lastly, please note that if the article does get deleted, you can contact one of these admins to request that a copy be emailed to you. Mayalld (talk) 15:44, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

• "I don't see how there can be a verifiable source independent of the church unless it has ended up in a newspaper or something." So you admit it does not begin to meet Wikipedia's notability criteria. And there is no need for anything terrible to happen for an organisation to receive media coverage. — RHaworth (Talk | contribs) 17:57, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

(SpiritBeing (talk) 18:12, 14 July 2008 (UTC)SpiritBeing) Hello RHaworth. Take a look at the many reliable references I have provided, including three references to the secretary of state's offices in which the church is registered. If that is not a reliable source as to it's existence, then this is blatant religious discrimination. No I do not see that a newspaper article is relevant to the situation, and that is my point. I believe that the secretary of state's offices in California, Minnesota and Washington should be verifiable enough for you. Thank you for your input, but I respectfully disagree. Go look at the references and you will see verifiable references of its existence, and since it does not sell anything, then it is not a blatant advertisment. I believe an advertisement is supposed to be trying to get you to buy something. (SpiritBeing (talk)SpiritBeing)

Article subjects are required to have significant coverage in reliable sources independent of the subject. This could be books written by academics, papers that have been published in scholarly journals, or media coverage. Have a look at the reliable sources guideline.--PhilKnight (talk) 18:17, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

I have looked at the reliable resources guidelines and I believe that the Secretary of State's offices do indeed qualify. Thank you for causing me to get those references, it is good to have them here anyway. Also, books do not normally mention churches, nor are books always printed on the internet since they are trying to sell them. If all books were on the internet for free, then they wouldn't be able to sell them. Please, let's not fight over this. Let's just all live and let live. Thank you for your help in getting the article more verified, I do appreciate that. I am going to post a lot more contributions to Wikipedia as time goes on because I see a lot of gaps in your information concerning my particular leanings in spirituality, and I would appreciate not having to fight about every article I ever upload just because you may not agree with this particular spiritual religion. I have written factually, provided verifiable references to government agencies that are acceptable sources in wikipedia, and I have refrained from my own opinions. I am only here to provide information for an encyclopedia that is missing information. Part of wikipedia's bad reputation for being faulty is that it doesn't have all the information it should have, so please let me remedy that situation and make wikipedia a better place, just as you are. I don't see any churches listed with this particular religion, so it means that wikipedia could be seen as biased against particular religions if no one is allowed to post articles about relevant and important organizations that are well known to those in that particular religion. People have asked about this unbalance on wikipedia, and I am hoping to be a contributor to wikipedia that brings more balance to an ignored religious category that an encyclopedia should be unbiased about. (SpiritBeing (talk) 18:29, 14 July 2008 (UTC)SpiritBeing)

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Please stop applying {{hangon}} to Christine breese. The article has not had a speedy tag applied so it does not need hangon. — RHaworth (Talk | contribs) 20:44, 14 July 2008 (UTC)