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Rajveer Singh (Actor)[edit]

I can see that this article was created, then deleted as per G7 - if you wouldn't mind, could I ask which user created it to begin with? I noticed a suspicious account asking about it today. Thanks for your help. — GABgab 15:03, 16 June 2017 (UTC)

I also found another account involved in promoting this guy. — GABgab 15:04, 16 June 2017 (UTC)

...You're not singhing, you're not singhing anymore...! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi (talkcontribs)

Face-smile.svg Thank you. GABgab 17:25, 16 June 2017 (UTC)

Poldi[edit]

I see you deleted this. Was the presence of cs and de interwikis insufficient to prove sufficient notability? — Railwayfan2005 (talk) 22:18, 16 June 2017 (UTC)

Hopeless[edit]

Hello! I would like you to restore the article [shouting redacted] so that I can make improvements in to make it suitable for wikipedia. Link: HOPES (Help Of Patients in Exigency by Students). Thank you. Muhammad Wamiq 20:29, 18 June 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wamiq Husnain (talkcontribs)

Akshay Rakate AR[edit]

Can you block this editor as he is creating multiple useless pages Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Akshay Rakate. Using two accounts User:Akshayrakate18, User talk:Akshayrakate12. --Marvellous Spider-Man 14:25, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

Please explain[edit]

Hi, I created a page Usingenglish.com a little earlier today and you have removed it citing advertising. It is not meant to be advertising at all. I have tried carefully to replicate the style of entries on other reputable sites such as Dictionary.com. I don't understand why my entry is so different or classed as advertising when other live entries are left standing. Please can you either reconsider, or provide me with the original entry so I can try and revise it to your standards. Any advice here on what is missing or needs changing would be very welcome. Thanks for your time, Adam — Preceding unsigned comment added by Adamgking (talkcontribs) 19:20, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

  • Kindly have the decency to wait until someone who a) knows how to create wikilinks and b) has no CoI thinks your website is notable and writes about it here. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 22:08, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

Emotional Speech Blocks Deletion Syndrome[edit]

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NJFX[edit]

Hi - I just got a speedy deletion notice and almost immediately after saw that you deleted the page NJFX. I never got a chance to contest the deletion. Can you explain why you thought it was promotional? In over six years, I've never had an article deleted before, let alone speedy deleted. Wikipedia is weak on info about data centers and cable landing stations. I've been focusing a bit more in this area recently, including updating info on Windstream, Tata Communications and Hibernia Networks. Thanks. Timtempleton (talk) 14:35, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

  • In over six years, you have not learnt to provide a link when you talk about an article. Restored. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 14:56, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

The article and business is called NJFX, and I actually did link to the article in my note above. Thanks for restoring it, although from what I've read it appears that NJFX is more commonly used than the draft name you restored the article to, New Jersey Fiber Exchange. Nonetheless I will discuss on the talk page. Cheers. Timtempleton (talk) 15:07, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

I reread the article with a fresh perspective and took out a few sentences that could be considered borderline promotional. I just resubmitted. I'm still hoping the nominating editor can tell me what he thought was promotional, if I didn't already delete it, and give me a chance to discuss before deleting. I'll ping him after this. On a side note, it was this specific article being held up in NPP that led me to this project and the submission I made Wikipedia talk:New pages patrol/Analysis and proposal#A modest proposal to clear the patrol backlog. What do you think of better triage? It's been years since I proposed an article - I normally just write them directly into namespace. Because of the large NPP backlog, do you think it would be faster going forward to just submit article drafts? I have no idea myself which is faster, but I still have some recent articles awaiting patrol, and one was just patrolled and accepted. — Timtempleton (talk) 15:29, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

  • Timtempleton, belated addition. As an experienced user, you don't need to bother with draft space. You know to avoid the newbie pitfalls such as starting a stub in mainspace. The reasons I restored to draft space were: a) in case the original speedy tagger was watching, an AfC tag provides a measure of protection against another speedy and b) restoring to mainspace would imply my wholehearted approval of the article. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 21:35, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
Thanks - appreciate the heads up, and keep up the good work. Timtempleton (talk) 23:10, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

G13[edit]

FYI, I see that you have deleted a large number of drafts as G13 when those drafts were never a part of the AFC project--see e.g. Draft:Rats in Boston, Draft:Pierre-Henri Chaudouard, User:TALOOT HUSSAIN/TALOOT HUSSAIN, Draft:Natalie Majala Waldburger, Draft:Late April 2016 Northern United States tornado outbreak, Draft:Jack Callaghan, Draft:Kamboh, Draft:Indian Interdependence Day, Draft:Mary Dsouza (Sequeira). I don't believe this is permissible -- how long has it been your practice? Is it possible to identify and restore affected drafts? — Calliopejen1 (talk) 23:52, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

I'm concerned with your statement here suggesting that you have been doing this for years despite the language of G13 itself. — Calliopejen1 (talk) 00:05, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

  • As they say in diplomatic circles, I am still considering my response to your message but in the meantime: a) make your link "here" more specific. Remember that you can create a wikilink to a specific section thus. And b) I have restored Draft:Rats in Boston in case anyone else wants to pick it up. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 22:52, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

The statement is at User_talk:RHaworth/2013_Dec_18#To_be_honest_I.27m_a_little_confused ("I allow G13 even if there is no AfC tag."). Calliopejen1 (talk) 22:54, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

Also, I have no particular affection for Draft:Rats in Boston; it's just the article that prompted me to look into this issue. Calliopejen1 (talk) 22:55, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

  • Calliopejen1, are you seriously saying that stale pages must be left indefinitely? What annoys me is the total inconsistency of the situation: if a page has an AfC tag it may be deleted after six months even if it was created by an active user. Omitting the tag somehow protects it magically.
"Is it possible to identify and restore affected drafts?" I am very surprised that you ask this question. As an admin you know perfectly well that would be possible. Such an execise would also give an accurate answer to "how long has it been your practice?" The approximate answer is: since 2013 or earlier but with the frequency increasing in the last year or so.
I am usually willing to action specific requests for the re-instatement of individual drafts that I have deleted. Such a request will be better received if it is accompanied by a statement that active improvement of the page will be done soon. It was to emphasise this willingness that I restored draft:Rats in Boston. A very significant indicator in this area is the number of such requests that I have so far received: approximately zero. Nobody is interested in this stuff.
Some the stuff I have deleted could also be deleted with U5: blatant not web host violations. If a page is patently unsuitable for mainspace then it has no place here. But you are probably going to be pedantic and say that U5 only applies in the user: namespace. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 21:35, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

I am not saying that stale pages must be left indefinitely, but I am saying that they may not be deleted as G13. G13 has never allowed the deletion of non-AFC stale drafts, and semi-recent discussions about this have yielded no consensus to extend it to non-AFC drafts, with plenty of opposition to that extension (see Wikipedia_talk:Criteria_for_speedy_deletion/Archive_58#G13_Drafts; there may be others). I don't have strong personal views about the what the correct policy is here, but that isn't the relevant question here (the relevant issue is that these deletions were out-of-process according to rules developed by the community as a whole). If you want to change the CSD criteria, the place to do that is WT:CSD. If you want to change the PROD criteria, the place to do that is WT:PROD.

I obviously realize that it is possible to identify these deleted pages by looking through every article you have ever deleted as G13 and seeing if it had an AFC tag, but I'm not sure if there is any realistically feasible way of doing this since they apparently go back years. (E.g. were you working off of certain lists to identify deletion candidates and we could check these lists?)

There should be no issue about whether you are "willing to action specific requests"--these pages never should have been speedy-deleted in the first place. And, as you predicted, I will say that U5 doesn't apply, because it doesn't. You are not the final arbiter of whether a "page is patently unsuitable for mainspace" where the CSD do not apply.

Will you commit to not deleting any more non-AFC drafts as G13 in the future? And will you commit to making an effort to identify and restore pages deleted out of process? If so, how will you go about doing this? — Calliopejen1 (talk) 00:22, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

I also see that you deleted (while this discussion was ongoing) the page User:Amanr123 despite the absence of an AFC tag. I agree that this editor probably was not here for the right reasons, but this page does not qualify under G13 and probably not under U5 either (seems like a plausible user page). You also recently deleted as G13 User:Skhaled3/Enter your new article name here, Draft:Shah Syed Hasnain Baqai, Draft:Anushka Sen, Draft:Kunal Choudhary, and Draft:Shah Syed Hasnain Baqai which do not qualify for G13 or any other CSD as far as I can tell. BTW I also see you deleted Draft:Samuel Ebenezer Entsua-Mensah and Draft:Karstein under G13 when they didn't technically qualify for G13 but I agree they should have been speedied for other reasons. — Calliopejen1 (talk) 19:23, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

Tarak Ghosh notability, or lack thereof[edit]

Hi RHaworth, I've just been cleaning up an article - Tarak Ghosh created by a new user User:Arnab sen kol. Apparently Tarak Ghosh is an author, and although he has entries on amazon and good reads for a number of self-published books, I'm struggling to find any reliable indication that he'd be notable enough for the english wikipedia. I've left a note on the page creator's talk to tell him to dig up some solid evidence - my inability to do so, may well be because I'm searching in english... When I went to add a note about the notability, or lack of it to the article's talk page, it came up with a message saying you deleted it earlier today. If that's the case, I'm guessing you probably speedy deleted an earlier version of the article as well? Thanks, AntiVan (talk) 13:38, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

  • Stop guessing! Use the tools provided! What does the log say? Really, it is speedy material but since you did not apply a speedy tag, I have moved it to draft:Tarak Ghosh. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 21:35, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

Yeah, the log didn't say anything. He'd created it under a different article name Novelist Tarak Ghosh, and I'd helpfully moved it... Thanks for your help. AntiVan (talk) 11:54, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

  • "Didn't say anything". It told you that I had done the deletion so that you did not need to guess that I had done it. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 20:50, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

Deletion of User page[edit]

On 4 December 2016 you deleted my sandbox, saying "not english". You didn't inform me, just deleted the whole page, hoppa, including the whole history. I saw it before, thought for a while: let it go, but I just saw it again and it still frustrates me. I cant believe such thing can happen on Wikipedia. Please act a bit more constructive in the future. At least inform before acting as you did. -- Pimbrils (talk) 20:34, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

  • FYI, G7 does not justify speedy deletion in userspace on the basis of page blanking. Nor is the fact that a page is not in English a valid reason to speedy-delete. — Calliopejen1 (talk) 00:29, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

Alliance for a Better Utah - 1[edit]

Dear Sir: You deleted the page I created. The Alliance for a Better Utah affects Utah policy, law, life, and more. They influence on a national level. There is not much known about them. The wiki was intended to get the information out there. I scoured all sources to find information out on this entity. I am not affiliated. I followed the wikipedia example/template of a similar entity, judicial-watch.org (www.judicial-watch.org and also Judicial Watch). I included the organizational information page linking directly to the source at Utah.gov business entity search/verification. I included news links. I included founder's name and board members names. I do not want to advertise for these people and organization. I challenged their claim to fame (is that advertising when you challenge an entity's claim to fame?) I appreciate your twelve years of experience and helping the wikipedia community and the world+ with your voluntary selfless efforts. I want to contribute as well. I endeavored to follow all guidelines. Please help me understand, what in my entry crossed the line from informative to advertising? In this day and age where dark money and purchased for lobbying/special interests can go undetected, information on these lobbyists and special interest groups can be invaluable. The Alliance For A Better Utah needs exposure to the world and to wikipedia. Thank you for your explanation and assistance. Lux-veritas (talk) 11:29, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

  • See also Josh Kanter below. If, and only if, you genuinely have no CoI in this organisation, resubmit via AfC. Note that correct capitalisation of the organisation's name will significantly increase your chances of success. Text emailed. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 20:50, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

CSB[edit]

I saw that you recently deleted this page. I just sent an email to permissions-en@wikimedia.org and donated the content. Please advise on next steps to have the page restored. — Shoffy (talk) 14:27, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

  • The next steps are simply that you wait until someone with no CoI thinks your school is notable and writes about it here. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 20:50, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
    • Thank you for your response. Though, I'm not clear about your statement regarding COI. Are you inferring my post is a COI? If so, I would be interested to know how this page is presently on Wikipedia and this page is not. Has the page that presently exists gone through the proper channels and donated content? As you can clearly see here that the content of the Wikipedia page and the one I've linked is very similar. Is this a copyright issue? A COI? Please advise. Shoffy (talk) 08:00, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

My G5 noms[edit]

I nominated an 2 articles and 3 files G5 today. The SPI had a CU which showed no connection. You kindly deleted File:Truck driver 2.jpg and File:Ritesh pandy.jpg which may now need some reconsideration. The article Ritesh Pandey was deleted A7 so his image will be unused even if restored. The G5 deletion rationale may be misleading in future. The article on the movie Truck Driver 2 is unsourced. I'll PROD it. If the PROD succeeds the file will be unused. Thanks, and sorry for the misplaced G5s. — Cabayi (talk) 19:56, 22 June 2017 (UTC)

Alliance for a Better Utah - 2[edit]

Dear Sir, My name is Josh Kanter and I live in Salt Lake City, Utah. I am the founder of an organization called the Alliance for a Better Utah. I recently received a Google alert that a Wikipedia page has been created about our organization. We did not create this page but when I went to find it, it appears to have been deleted by you. I am not much of a Wikipedia user, so I do not know the appropriate protocol but I am hoping that you can share with me either the text of what was originally published, who published it, or why it was deleted. I hope this is enough for you to be able to, and to agree to, respond to me. Thank you for your consideration. Josh Kanter, Jkanter3 (talk) 14:03, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

  • Interesting. If you had looked but three messages earlier on this page, you would have seen who published it. In a way, your frank declaration of CoI lends credence to the claim of Lux-veritas (talk · contribs) to have no affiliation. You may well know their real identity, if the name does not give you a clue, possibly their handwriting may and I would be very interested to learn your views on whether they are affiliated. As to why it was deleted, the log entry that told you that I had deleted it also told you why. Text emailed. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 20:50, 23 June 2017 (UTC)
  • Messrs: My affiliation is not a secret. My name is Kelly E. James II. I left Canada to move to the States and write, research, investigate, and work to make positive meaningful contributions to the world. I work primarily right now with a group known as Proletariat-Watch that seeks to investigate, uncover and punish corruption. I appreciate Mr. Kanter's work. I want to know more about it. Hence, my research and contribution to Wikipedia by drafting the initial article after I did investigation and citation documentation. Please ask for any further questions. I'm not the worst. I'm learning and trying to improve. Thanks for your guidance.Lux-veritas (talk) 23:10, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

DJ Jackson[edit]

Hello RHaworth. You've deleted my page called DJ Jackson because of copyrights of the text. But it was my own text and own biography. And it wasn't copied from Allmusic. It was taken from my own official website. Is it possible to restore the page DJ Jackson? Best regards, Kerem A. (talk) 16:41, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

  • Kindly have the decency to wait until someone with no CoI thinks you are notable and writes about you here. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 20:50, 23 June 2017 (UTC)

Page that encourages misspelling[edit]

Hi - Hopefully this is an easy non-drama one for you. I accidentally misspelled Berkeley, California as Berkley, California in an article draft and didn't catch it at first because someone added a redirect for the misspelling, and you can see they're both blue linked. I'd like to delete the redirect page, since if I type Berkley, California in the search box it will ask me if I meant Berkeley, California, and if the redirect is gone the red-link will alert me to fix it. Taken to the extreme, articles could be filled with misspellings that don't show up as such, further propagating bad spelling habits. Here's the page. [[1]] Is there a policy on this? Timtempleton (talk) 00:12, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

@Timtempleton: Well, it's not a policy to ensure future generations can spel corectly  :) and, actually, I'd suggest that that's a useful redirect. I swear that Berkeley is one of those words I'm always having to correct myself over! — O Fortuna semper crescis, aut decrescis 12:35, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
@Fortuna Imperatrix Mundi: It just seems that creating a crutch (the faulty spelling redirect) that has the effect of actually enabling misspellings and incorrect behavior is contrary to the goal of fostering knowledge. Without the prompt of a red-link, I would be unaware of my mistake, and if I was like the ocd "comprised of" vs. "consists of" editor, I could spend my day changing all the Berkeley spellings to the wrong Berkley. Removing the redirect would encourage correct spellings in articles and improve contributing editors' literacy. Timtempleton (talk) 22:13, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

Teefa in Trouble[edit]

Hi! Can you please share the text of Teefa in Trouble, that you have recently deleted? I will try to modify it, and will create page / update wiki after when film's official teaser will release. Thanks! M. Billoo 12:24, 24 June 2017 (UTC)

Intro and deleted page[edit]

Hi Roger,

This is Mihai Vilcu, new social media manager at Novozymes. We are represented with a company page at the moment, however, the page for our CEO has not been set up properly and deleted. I understand you are the one I should contact in order to have it reinstated, so we can work with independent editors on adding new content.

The page is for Peder Holk Nielsen and has been taken down on August 17th, 2016.

Thank you,

Mihai Mihainovo (talk) 08:39, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

Draft:Sedat Sonmez (Businessman)[edit]

FYI, this was moved to draft space prior to deletion. I was removing the CSD and inserting the AfC banner when you nuked. The author has made a apparent good faith request to improve the article, and anyway, it's ineligible for A7 in draft space. TimothyJosephWood 18:53, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

For whatever it's worth, looking at this page, I'm seeing a lot of not replying at all, or replying in a way that is... a bit abrasive. For future notice, when an NPP reviewer goes to the trouble of moving a page to draft, which takes 1) the review, 2) the author's comment, 3) moving the page, 4) tagging the old redirect, 5) tagging the draft for AfC, and then 6) replying to the author, you know... act like you know your talk page exists. TimothyJosephWood 00:26, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

  • So why did you not remove the speedy tag when you moved it to draft space? — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 00:51, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
As I said, I was literally doing that when you deleted it. I had removed it and placed the AfC banner instead, and when I clicked save, I got an error that it had been deleted. Sorry if I wasn't totally clear on that. It was an error of a few seconds, but one that probably could have been resolved if you had been responsive while you were active. The user probably won't ever return, and may not have anyway, but BITE still applies, and when an NPP leaves a note, ADMINACCT probably does too.
I understand that you get flooded with deletion comments, but maybe when there's a name you recognize, or a fancy signature that indicates the editor commenting is not a new user, it would be helpful to be responsive. I'm AGF and assuming that when you clicked on it it was still an article and eligible for A7, but page moves can be wonky, and... you know... that's what talk pages are for. TimothyJosephWood 01:42, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

Draft:Sedat Sonmez (Businessman)[edit]

hello dear admin deleting an article is very easy you should help me and guide me to improve that . Sedat Sonmez(Businessman)AMIRABBAS3 (talk) 19:11, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

RHaworth Hey there, wanted to ask about this. Please also see here. I don't see anything that indicates he is actually notable so I am rather confused about the move to mainspace as I see nothing that indicates anything has changed since the other 6 deletions. CHRISSYMAD ❯❯❯¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 09:41, 27 June 2017 (UTC)