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Pls help to imrove the situation with Volga Finns. Pls have a look at this talk page. Just trying to appeal to common sense. Thank you anyway. --Khazar II (talk) 22:12, 4 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'd love to help, but this is not a topic I know much about, so I'm afraid my opinion on that talk page will not be of much value. Sorry.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 14:11, 5 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Apologies

I am just a irregular cat tagger who saw a lot of cat changed to Cat by the bot (!!) last night and wondered if it was really worth the effort and time (over 12 hours on the australian project material) - I am not as cluey as some on the Australian project who seem to have a better handle on the assessment and template and etc side - my apologies for casting any possible questionable aspersions at russavia's talk page as well - If anyone ever gives an idea of why and how the russian project might benefit from such a going over - I'll either let you know or direct them to you - sorry to have been a nuisance - cheers Satu Suro 15:14, 5 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No hard feelings at all. I am still very interested to hear Russavia's side of the story—it seems it was him who's been tagging many of the cats I later untagged (without realizing that a human person tagged them in the first place), so I imagine he must have a reason of his own. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 15:18, 5 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well I hope I didnt edge him into it in anyways - I think I once mentioned about tagging being a way of good project management - but hey each project has slightly different template structure (the tweaking of templates is well beyond me) which means in WP Australia I tag class cat for category pages - but in WP Indonesia and WP New Zealand I tag cats with NA - I simply try to maintain consistency - I think a lot rests with template tweakers - maybe the russia project needs someone with the sufficinet knowledge of the coding to have a look inside its project template - we had an outsider muck around with the australian template a week or two ago - did a good job - Satu Suro 15:24, 5 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I can fix the template no problem (it was me who added the C-class to it), but like I said, I just don't see the utility of having the counts of cats and templates in the stats. If someone enlightens me on this point later, I may very well change my attitude towards that practice :)—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 15:28, 5 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

OK well thats where I am of no help at all - I had developed an automatic response to red discussion tags because I saw so many Australian and Indonesian categories that were not tied into the overall project in any way (they were created but had no project tags) - And I evolved the idea and perceived that a well managed project is one that has all categories tied into a list of either NA or Cat category pages which in some way tied in with the assessment or other thingoes - and not a drop of science or rational coding was involved - just a personal predeliction- so I am sorry I cannot explain further the more technical issues - I'm signing off now - cheers and sorry to have been a nuisance and not very helpful at all Satu Suro 15:34, 5 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Basically as far as i can tell from my perspective of total ignorance the template is stuffed or has an internal issue if it cannot cope with cats. Please could you help the person at my talk wh is having problem with the article Chicken ? looks like a serial pest or puppets playing with the poor editor - in your time zone - I am tryng to get off - cheers Satu Suro 15:02, 6 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Probably storm in a thimble - I keep forgetting to llook at histories- it has got me into interesting waters over the last day or so :( Satu Suro 15:14, 6 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Better be vigilant and overcautious than sorry :) No trouble at all.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 15:18, 6 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I suppose what i should do is dig up the name of the person who rejigged the australian template and offer them the challenge as to your problem - and I am intrigued to think that there hasnt been some form of standardisation across all wikipedia projects re formatting - hey i said id be off an hour ago i gotta get off - cheers - and thanks for putting up with me and my ignorance(s) Satu Suro 15:36, 6 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Consistency

Autonomous okrugs of Russia (edit talk links history) ... Template:Ivia Autonomous district (edit talk links history) Template:Iand Template:Types_of_administrative_country_subdivision(edit talk links history)

Beg to differ, but they are certainly one of the larger Administrative districts of Russia... and hence that would be the best translation... alternatively, Autonomous province which redirects to Autonomous area... but "Autonomous" anything is void of meaning in English.

Did you see the talk? All such articles ought be Districts of FOO names. This is not a loan word we need... just one to be mentioned in a lang template in the article. (And yes, I remember you're Russian. This is not a ego thing, but a what conveys sense question. The terms don't have any coverage or usage in English.)

The concept is there and that's all that matters. "Okrug" and "Oblast" and other non-English names don't convey anything but confusion. The slavic term is just confusing to native speakers of English. Those category names using the term need changed too, imho.

LASTLY, reverting someone is a hostile act... should only be used as a LAST RESORT after discussion. As an admin, you ought be ashamed! // FrankB 20:33, 6 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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 I suppose what i should do is dig up the name of the person who rejigged the australian template and offer them the  challenge as to your problem - and I am intrigued to think that there hasnt been some form of standardisation across all wikipedia projects re formatting - hey i said id be off an hour ago i gotta get off - cheers - and thanks for putting up with me and my ignorance(s) [[User:SatuSuro|Satu]][[User talk:SatuSuro|Suro]] 15:36, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
+== Consistency ==
+{{las|Autonomous okrugs of Russia}} ... {{I}}via {{las|Autonomous district}} {{I}}and {{lts|Types_of_administrative_country_subdivision}}
+Beg to differ, but they are certainly one of the larger [[Administrative district]]s of Russia... and hence that would be the best translation... alternatively, [[Autonomous province]] which redirects to [[Autonomous area]]...  but "Autonomous" anything is void of meaning in English.
+Did  you see the talk? All such articles ought be [[Districts of FOO]] names. ''This is not a loan word '''we need.'''.. just one to be mentioned in a lang template in the article.'' (And yes, I remember you're Russian. This is not a ego thing, but a what conveys sense question. The terms don't have any coverage or usage in English.)
+The concept is there and that's all that matters. "Okrug" and "Oblast" and other non-English names don't convey anything but confusion. The slavic term is just confusing to native speakers of English. Those category names using the term need changed too, imho.
+LASTLY, reverting someone is a hostile act... should only be used as a LAST RESORT after discussion. As an admin, you ought be ashamed! // <b>[[User:Fabartus|Fra]]</b><font color="green">[[User talk:Fabartus|nkB]]</font> 20:33, 6 August 2008 (UTC)