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Hello, I'm Debbie. Many of you have given your support and condolences to Jeffpw over the last many weeks since he lost Isaac. I'm Jeff's sister (and no nothing about Wikipedia, except that my brother enjoyed the site, the friendship and suport). |
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[[Image:Weddinginholland.jpg|380px|thumb|left|[[User talk:Jeffpw/Isaäc's Memorial Page|Jeff's beloved husband Isaac and Jeff on their wedding day]]]][[Image:Joy.jpg|380px|thumb|right|[http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=W4VwFl0JG7o A video tribute to Isaäc]]] |
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I hope I'm going about this in the right way, if not, I'm so sorry. |
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My brother died yesterday- I suppose of a broken heart. But he recieved so much compassion from all of you, and you all made these last days (almost) bearable to him. I am so grateeful to you and HE was so grateful. He intended to acknowledge each condolance sent to him individually, but since he can't, I thought I'd let you know. |
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The world will have a little less color without him. I love him and miss him already. |
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[[User:Jeffssister|Jeffssister]] ([[User talk:Jeffssister|talk]]) 23:46, 8 August 2008 (UTC)jeffssister |
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[[Image:Weddinginholland.jpg|380px|thumb|left|[[User talk:Jeffpw/Isaäc's Memorial Page|My beloved husband Isaac and me on our wedding day]]]][[Image:Joy.jpg|380px|thumb|right|[http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=W4VwFl0JG7o A video tribute to Isaäc]]] |
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'''''There will be little rubs and disappointments everywhere, and we are all apt to expect too much; but then, if one scheme of happiness fails, human nature turns to another; if the first calculation is wrong, we make a second better: we find comfort somewhere.''''' [[Jane Austen]], [[Mansfield Park]]''''' |
'''''There will be little rubs and disappointments everywhere, and we are all apt to expect too much; but then, if one scheme of happiness fails, human nature turns to another; if the first calculation is wrong, we make a second better: we find comfort somewhere.''''' [[Jane Austen]], [[Mansfield Park]]''''' |
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== My brother Jeff == |
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Hi, I'm Debbie, Jeff's sister. Our mom, Eleanor is here with me. We just wanted to let you know that Jeffpw died yesterday. His Wikipedia friends (and I hope this is the correct way to do this)were so supportive of him these past weeks and he appreciated you all so much. He had intended to personally respond to each of your emails, when he could. So we're doing that now. Thank you all for being a friend to someone we love so much. |
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jeffssister[[User:Jeffssister|Jeffssister]] ([[User talk:Jeffssister|talk]]) 21:48, 8 August 2008 (UTC) |
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:Umm, I do hate to sound so process driven, but is there a chance you could verify this at all? We had no indication on Wikipedia that Jeff was ill? I can supply an immediate email or indeed UK phone number if that helps for you to make contact. These things are not taken lightly, and I apologies for intruding on your grief, but this is sadly the nature of our project. <small><span style="border:1px solid #0000ff;padding:1px;">[[User:Pedro|<b>Pedro</b>]] : [[User_talk:Pedro|<font style="color:#accC10;background:#0000fa;"> Chat </font>]] </span></small> 21:51, 8 August 2008 (UTC) |
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::What? This better be a joke. It can't be true, it just can't. Pedro, let me know if this is verified, and Jeff, please reply here if this isn't true....[[User:Keeper76|<font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper</font>]] {{IPA|ǀ}} [[User talk:Keeper76|<font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76</font>]] 21:54, 8 August 2008 (UTC) |
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:::I'm online until we can clarify this. Can I ask we keep this ON THIS TALK PAGE and not go flying off to AN or whatever. Keeps - I'll keep you in the loop. <small><span style="border:1px solid #0000ff;padding:1px;">[[User:Pedro|<b>Pedro</b>]] : [[User_talk:Pedro|<font style="color:#accC10;background:#0000fa;"> Chat </font>]] </span></small> 21:55, 8 August 2008 (UTC) |
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::::Yes, please, we're all on it. Keep it here, keep the comments under control. We'll find out soon enough. [[User:SandyGeorgia|Sandy<font color="green">Georgia</font>]] ([[User talk:SandyGeorgia|Talk]]) 21:57, 8 August 2008 (UTC) |
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::::(EC)NO ANI, promise. I just posted to your talk, get rid of it if you feel your talkpage is watched by too many people. In fact, I'll do it myself...[[User:Keeper76|<font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper</font>]] {{IPA|ǀ}} [[User talk:Keeper76|<font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76</font>]] 21:58, 8 August 2008 (UTC) |
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:::::I emailed [[User:Aleta]], who has been in contact with Jeff via phone in the recent past.--[[User:The Fat Man Who Never Came Back|The Fat Man Who Never Came Back]] ([[User talk:The Fat Man Who Never Came Back|talk]]) 22:00, 8 August 2008 (UTC) |
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:::::: I had no indication of illness ... or anything :-((( I'm not adding anything else for now. [[User:SandyGeorgia|Sandy<font color="green">Georgia</font>]] ([[User talk:SandyGeorgia|Talk]]) 22:01, 8 August 2008 (UTC) |
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:I'm on IRC and a checkuser is going to take a look at it in a few minutes. Hopefully this can be resolved quickly. '''[[User:Ryan Postlethwaite|<font color="green">Ryan</font> <font color="purple">Postlethwaite</font>]]<sup>See [[Special:Contributions/Ryan Postlethwaite|the mess I've created]] or [[User talk:Ryan Postlethwaite|let's have banter]]</sup>''' 22:08, 8 August 2008 (UTC) |
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::Ryan, I could supply some background that ''might'' be helpful on CU (it's a long shot), and I'm going through my email now to try to locate a phone, but it will take me a while. Can we take this to e-mail? I don't do IRC. Can you geolocate the cu for us? [[User:SandyGeorgia|Sandy<font color="green">Georgia</font>]] ([[User talk:SandyGeorgia|Talk]]) 22:10, 8 August 2008 (UTC) |
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:::Not that everyone doesn't already know this, but [[User:Aleta]] has spoken to Jeff in the past, by phone. An email to her would be prudent. [[User:Keeper76|<font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper</font>]] {{IPA|ǀ}} [[User talk:Keeper76|<font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76</font>]] 22:11, 8 August 2008 (UTC) |
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:::To be honest Sandy - the CU's will have all the IP date there with them, so I don't think we need any, but thanks for offering. '''[[User:Ryan Postlethwaite|<font color="green">Ryan</font> <font color="purple">Postlethwaite</font>]]<sup>See [[Special:Contributions/Ryan Postlethwaite|the mess I've created]] or [[User talk:Ryan Postlethwaite|let's have banter]]</sup>''' 22:12, 8 August 2008 (UTC) |
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:::: I mean I ''might'' (not certain) know a geolocation of his sister and mother if Jeff's known location doesn't pan out. [[User:SandyGeorgia|Sandy<font color="green">Georgia</font>]] ([[User talk:SandyGeorgia|Talk]]) 22:14, 8 August 2008 (UTC) |
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:::::Oh, I understand now. If you could pass them to User:FT2 by email, that would be much appreciated. '''[[User:Ryan Postlethwaite|<font color="green">Ryan</font> <font color="purple">Postlethwaite</font>]]<sup>See [[Special:Contributions/Ryan Postlethwaite|the mess I've created]] or [[User talk:Ryan Postlethwaite|let's have banter]]</sup>''' 22:15, 8 August 2008 (UTC) |
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:::::: Will do. [[User:SandyGeorgia|Sandy<font color="green">Georgia</font>]] ([[User talk:SandyGeorgia|Talk]]) 22:17, 8 August 2008 (UTC) |
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Phone number found, I'm calling. [[User:SandyGeorgia|Sandy<font color="green">Georgia</font>]] ([[User talk:SandyGeorgia|Talk]]) 22:20, 8 August 2008 (UTC) |
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:Good stuff - my thanks. I'm available by phone if I can help - just let me know. <small><span style="border:1px solid #0000ff;padding:1px;">[[User:Pedro|<b>Pedro</b>]] : [[User_talk:Pedro|<font style="color:#accC10;background:#0000fa;"> Chat </font>]] </span></small> 22:25, 8 August 2008 (UTC) |
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:: No answer. :-( [[User:SandyGeorgia|Sandy<font color="green">Georgia</font>]] ([[User talk:SandyGeorgia|Talk]]) 22:27, 8 August 2008 (UTC) |
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:::Okay, we need to see what we get of CU. <small><span style="border:1px solid #0000ff;padding:1px;">[[User:Pedro|<b>Pedro</b>]] : [[User_talk:Pedro|<font style="color:#accC10;background:#0000fa;"> Chat </font>]] </span></small> 22:33, 8 August 2008 (UTC) |
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::: No, Sandy, I had not seen it, nor pretty much anything outside of the article I was writing, which really sucks, because I think Jeff would (have?) enjoy(ed) it. I don't know what to think or say about this. Please verify that it's true. Jeff's gotten in some really nasty battles with people. This could be some sick person's idea of fun. --[[User:Moni3|Moni3]] ([[User talk:Moni3|talk]]) 22:35, 8 August 2008 (UTC) |
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::::Everyone is doing the right thing, kudos all round and lets hope it is not true. Thanks, [[User:SqueakBox|SqueakBox]] 22:45, 8 August 2008 (UTC) |
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I know Jeff's last name; can anyone who knows of one please e-mail me the URL of a newspaper where he lived so I can do a search? [[User:SandyGeorgia|Sandy<font color="green">Georgia</font>]] ([[User talk:SandyGeorgia|Talk]]) 22:52, 8 August 2008 (UTC) |
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Right guys. I've had a CU check the information, and after discussing the location of his sister privately with Sandy, I can confirm that User:Jeffsister does come from the same state as Jeff's sister. I would therefore suggest that we should take it as though they are the same person. My heart goes out to Jeff's family. '''[[User:Ryan Postlethwaite|<font color="green">Ryan</font> <font color="purple">Postlethwaite</font>]]<sup>See [[Special:Contributions/Ryan Postlethwaite|the mess I've created]] or [[User talk:Ryan Postlethwaite|let's have banter]]</sup>''' 22:55, 8 August 2008 (UTC) |
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: But I'm not positive his sister was also from that same place. Please let me be wrong. [[User:SandyGeorgia|Sandy<font color="green">Georgia</font>]] ([[User talk:SandyGeorgia|Talk]]) 22:58, 8 August 2008 (UTC) |
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::Do keep ringing as this needs verifying, it does seem genuine though, and yes very sad. more information would be appreciated, jeff's sister, as and when, as we are all left wondering. Thanks, [[User:SqueakBox|SqueakBox]] 23:00, 8 August 2008 (UTC) |
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::: Per the time change, I will ring again tomorrow, and continue to monitor google for Jeff's last name. [[User:SandyGeorgia|Sandy<font color="green">Georgia</font>]] ([[User talk:SandyGeorgia|Talk]]) 23:07, 8 August 2008 (UTC) |
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(ec)I just found all this, including FatMan's email to me. I tried to call the number Jeff gave me few weeks ago, and got a message saying it had either been "changed, disconnected, or was no longer in service". I don't know if this could be a quirk of my cell phone and international calls??? (I never telephoned Jeff myself - he called me when we talked on the phone.) I'll give FatMan that number by email (not of course posting it here) so someone else can try in case it is a quirk of my cell phone service. [[User:Aleta|<b><font color="#990066">'''Aleta'''</font></b>]] [[User_Talk:Aleta|<font color="#0095B6"><sup><small>'''Sing'''</small></sup></font>]] 23:12, 8 August 2008 (UTC) |
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:Aleta, my call went through to an international ring tone, but got no answer. Did you dial 011 before the country code? I sent the last two digits of the number I have to The Fat Man; you can compare to see if we have the same no. [[User:SandyGeorgia|Sandy<font color="green">Georgia</font>]] ([[User talk:SandyGeorgia|Talk]]) 23:14, 8 August 2008 (UTC) |
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::Thanks for the 011 tip, Sandy; I didn't know that. I just tried that and got a message saying that international dialing is not part of my service. I didn't see what you sent FatMan; the last two digits of the # I have are 22. [[User:Aleta|<b><font color="#990066">'''Aleta'''</font></b>]] [[User_Talk:Aleta|<font color="#0095B6"><sup><small>'''Sing'''</small></sup></font>]] 23:21, 8 August 2008 (UTC) |
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:::Yes, 22. I got the call through, but no answer. [[User:SandyGeorgia|Sandy<font color="green">Georgia</font>]] ([[User talk:SandyGeorgia|Talk]]) 23:22, 8 August 2008 (UTC) |
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::::OK, thanks for the confirmation, Sandy. This does not look good. :( :( [[User:Aleta|<b><font color="#990066">'''Aleta'''</font></b>]] [[User_Talk:Aleta|<font color="#0095B6"><sup><small>'''Sing'''</small></sup></font>]] 23:32, 8 August 2008 (UTC) |
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::::: Pedro or Ryan, can we please cap all of this portion off with a hide template? [[User:SandyGeorgia|Sandy<font color="green">Georgia</font>]] ([[User talk:SandyGeorgia|Talk]]) 23:34, 8 August 2008 (UTC) |
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Sorry to have to leave this sort of message, but may I please point out a comment left on Jeff's tribute video to his late husband 13 hours ago: |
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:"jeffers1961...he is passed away...he is now bij isaac" - from http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4VwFl0JG7o |
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Again, sorry to have to leave such a message to all of you who worked closely with him and knew him [[User:George The Dragon|George The Dragon]] ([[User talk:George The Dragon|talk]]) 23:16, 8 August 2008 (UTC) |
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Dear Debbie and Eleanor; |
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My heart goes out to you and your family, and my thoughts and prayers are with you. I once helped Jeff with an article he was writing, and for that simple task, I gained a solid friend, who was always around to support and defend me from there forward. I never spoke to him "in real life", but he did send me his phone number after Isaac died. Now that I read back through my e-mail and talk page messages, I am garnering the idea that Jeff intentionally told me, more than once, that he was fine and healthy, when in fact, he may have been protecting and shielding me from the truth about his health, always with a kind word, a joke, something to cheer me up or make my day. He assured me that he was fine, more than once. If he did that on purpose, to spare me from worry, it was a generous and selfless act of friendship, and I'm sorry I couldn't have been there for him more fully. You have a fine son and brother, a person to be proud of. My kindest regards, [[User:SandyGeorgia|Sandy<font color="green">Georgia</font>]] ([[User talk:SandyGeorgia|Talk]]) 23:47, 8 August 2008 (UTC) |
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:Dear Debbie and Eleanor,<br> |
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:I am so so sorry for your loss of Jeff. I have known him for a while on Wikipedia and spoke with him some on the phone after Isaac's death, and I know how that grieved him. I know words can not express the depths of grief adequately. You and Jeff are in my heart. He was a kind-hearted man. This is a sad day for all of us. [[User:Aleta|<b><font color="#990066">'''Aleta'''</font></b>]] [[User_Talk:Aleta|<font color="#0095B6"><sup><small>'''Sing'''</small></sup></font>]] 23:52, 8 August 2008 (UTC) |
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::I'm bawling. I don't see the point in continuing to edit ridiculously unimportant Wikipedia articles. Jeff was loved. He is still loved. Both on wikipedia, and in the real world. It is so evident to me that he loved Isaac, and Issac loved him. I'm so very sad, and I want this to be untrue.....I'm going on a break to re-evaluate what exactly I'm doing here. Jeff was so necessary (what's the word? that's not the word...), he was so ''essential'' to this project. I'm going offline, I already miss Jeff....[[User:Keeper76|<font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper</font>]] {{IPA|ǀ}} [[User talk:Keeper76|<font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76</font>]] 00:25, 9 August 2008 (UTC) |
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::: We didn't get to say goodbye; he shielded us all. [[User:SandyGeorgia|Sandy<font color="green">Georgia</font>]] ([[User talk:SandyGeorgia|Talk]]) 00:35, 9 August 2008 (UTC) |
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I would like to extend my sympathy to jeffpw's family and friends, he was a fine wikipedian and, although I didn't do a lot of work with him personaly I was always aware of the outstanding contributions he made to the project and the community. It is very rare for anyone to be as highly regarded and valued as Jeff was. |
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His passing is a tragic loss to us all and my thoughts are with you, Debbie, Eleanor, and your family. |
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May he rest in peace |
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<font color="#00bb00">[[User:Pi|Pi]]</font><small><font color="#00bb00">[[User_talk:Pi|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Pi|Contribs]]</font></small> 00:26, 9 August 2008 (UTC) |
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== Jeff... == |
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Miss Julie, you ass. [[Stonewall riots|You missed my article.]] I wrote it for you and for WP:LGBT because the stupid crap we have to go through just to prove we're Wikipedians and the articles we concentrate on are important. I'm really proud of that article, and now I'm really fucking sad. |
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Queens still have a hard life. --[[User:Moni3|Moni3]] ([[User talk:Moni3|talk]]) 23:48, 8 August 2008 (UTC) |
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:Queens certainly do. This queen already misses Jeff. Say "Hi" to Isäac for me. -- <span style="background: #EECCFF;">[[User:SatyrTN|SatyrTN]] <small>([[User talk:SatyrTN|talk]] / [[Special:Contributions/SatyrTN|contribs]])</small></span> 00:59, 9 August 2008 (UTC) |
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::Add my name to the list of queens who are going to miss Jeff's humor and wit. [[User:AgnosticPreachersKid|<b><font color="#99BADD">'''APK'''</font></b>]] [[User talk:AgnosticPreachersKid|<font color="blue">'''is gonna miss Jeffpw'''</font>]] 10:07, 9 August 2008 (UTC) |
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== In memoriam == |
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[[Image:Iris 'Stepping out' 2007-05-13 388.jpg|thumb|Jeff, my friend, we miss you here. [[User:Aleta|<b><font color="#990066">'''Aleta'''</font></b>]] [[User_Talk:Aleta|<font color="#0095B6"><sup><small>'''Sing'''</small></sup></font>]] 00:31, 9 August 2008 (UTC)]] |
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:Nothing else to say. Miss you Jeff. Peace be with you, kind soul....[[User:Keeper76|<font color="#21421E" face="comic sans ms">Keeper</font>]] {{IPA|ǀ}} [[User talk:Keeper76|<font color="#CC7722" face="Papyrus">76</font>]] 00:34, 9 August 2008 (UTC) |
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::Que se descansa en paz. Yo tendria todos los desacuerdos con usted otra vez sin pensar ni un momento. La vida esta echaa de3 amor y lucha. Granny, who died in the last month, always wanted to be with papa, who died years ago. I travelled 6000 miles to be with her and we all kept calling the funeral a wedding. The dead spirits are the strongest. Thanks, [[User:SqueakBox|SqueakBox]] 00:38, 9 August 2008 (UTC) |
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*My god. Jeff....no. :( [[User:Agne27 |Agne]][[Special:Contributions/Agne27|<sup>Cheese</sup>]]/[[User Talk:Agne27|<sup>Wine</sup>]] 02:27, 9 August 2008 (UTC) |
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*I had hoped that events might have unfolded overnight to be different. At least you are with Isaac now, and from that we can take comfort. Miss you Jeff. <small><span style="border:1px solid #0000ff;padding:1px;">[[User:Pedro|<b>Pedro</b>]] : [[User_talk:Pedro|<font style="color:#accC10;background:#0000fa;"> Chat </font>]] </span></small> 08:46, 9 August 2008 (UTC) |
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*I remember this guy from a while back. Always seemed a great person with a kind spirit. Rest in peace amigo. You will be sorely missed by those who care for you. My thoughts are with the family. Best [[User:Blofeld of SPECTRE| <span style="border:1px solid blue;padding:1px;"> <font style="color:#fef;background:navy;">'''''♦ Dr. Blofeld ♦'''''</font>]]</span> <sup>[[User talk:Blofeld of SPECTRE| <font size="-4"><font color="Navy">'''"Talk"?'''</font></font color> ]]</sup> 16:21, 9 August 2008 (UTC) |
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* I can't believe this is happening. I was only speaking with him two weeks back. My sincere condolences to your family. Man, I'm going to miss you, Jeff. You were a great guy - [[User:Alison|<span style="color:#FF823D;font-family:Monotype Corsiva">'''A<font color="#FF7C0A">l<font color="#FFB550">is</font>o</font>n'''</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Alison|❤]]</sup> 19:23, 9 August 2008 (UTC) |
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* I am very saddened by this. You've always been a kind editor, and I remember your kindness from when I was new around here: you influenced me to continue and improve. As well as your kindness and good work, I'll be sure to remember [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Acalamari&diff=prev&oldid=168136331 this post] of yours on my talk page, which was a very nice thing that you said there. I will miss you and your work. [[User:Acalamari|Acalamari]] 20:56, 9 August 2008 (UTC) |
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* Goodbye Jeff (we share first names). Tell Isaac I wish I met him. --I'm an '''''[[Special:Contributions/Editorofthewiki|Editor]][[User:Editorofthewiki|of]][[User talk:Editorofthewiki|the]][[Special:Random|wiki]]'''''<sup>[[Wikipedia:Editor review/Editorofthewiki|[''citation needed'']]]</sup> 20:57, 9 August 2008 (UTC) |
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Revision as of 22:19, 9 August 2008
This is the user talk page of an editor who has died. His family has requested that the page be preserved, which it is through the edit history. Editors wishing to leave memorial comments should do so here.
There will be little rubs and disappointments everywhere, and we are all apt to expect too much; but then, if one scheme of happiness fails, human nature turns to another; if the first calculation is wrong, we make a second better: we find comfort somewhere. Jane Austen, Mansfield Park