Talk:Die Hard with a Vengeance

Trivia Inappropriate Comment

"The World Trade Center is visible in several shots in this movie, it was destroyed in the September 11, 2001 attacks."

Why is this trivia? Many movies show the World Trade Center towers, and therefore it should not be a major deal that Die Hard with a Vengeance displays it. I don't believe this warrants being put as trivia as well as including information that alludes to the fact they were destroyed.

Is it spelled out anywhere that McClane was in danger of being lynched? A knife is thrown at him while he is wearing the sandwich board, but I do not recall any discussion of lynching in the film.

Furthermore, according to the Internet Movie Database, the Sandwich board that McClane is wearing in actuality says "I Hate Everybody" and was changed using CGI to read "I Hate Niggers."

I agree with everything and yes the sandwich board change was done after the fact but the "I Hate Everybody" version is still used for TNT and TBS broadcasts while the other is used for premium cable channels like Encore and HBO. --Chad 06:45, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

I for one think the trivia section needs searious trimming. Its about 2 pages of trivia, with only 4 or 5 actual trivia pieces in it. Someone needs to take the time to read, and delete most of the worthless trivia in there. DurotarLord 01:22, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Flaws with Plot Flaws comments

One thing that was pointed out was that had McClane not reached to the bomb in the subway, Simon would not be able to carry out his plan due to all the emergency crew, police, and likely military precense. Due to the timing of McClane catching the bomb, the only real difference between what could have happened and what did happen was the body count. The bomb still went off, the train wrecked and the tunnel destroyed. People still could have been killed, and yet, with all the emergency crews and police, Simon gave them a reason to abandon the site. The plot scenario was fine and not flawed. The only difference was the death toll.

Another 'flaw' that was mentioned was that Smion had intended to have McClane killed in Harlem, yet he had various other traps laid about, supposedly for McClane to handle. Two problems with the calling this a flaw. One is thinking it was only for McClane and his plans centered around that. Without his enemy to solved the riddles, his plan would be useless. But it could be assumed that after offing McClane, Simon would just sucker someone else to do the chosen tasks. McClane only got the next task after surviving the previous one. Simon knew they were all deadly and figured one would get him sooner or later. Also, since the elephant bomb and the Yankee tickets were together, it could be assumed that it may have been a last minute ploy when McClane survived the subway encounter, which Simon planned to destroy in the first place. Even McClane mentioned it was a miracle he lived or even arrived in time, and only got the elephant assignment afterward. That assignment was solely meant to have McClane killed. All the other bombs had a purpose and McClane was not the only one that could have done it, considering how well laid out the plan was. The elephant bomb was the only one out of place. All the others would have happened just as they did in the movie without McClane. Except for the side projects to kill McClane, you'll notice Simon did not have to alter his plan. Remember, about killing McClane, Simon said,'Life has it's little bonuses.' Killing McClane was preffered, but not necessary.

Just wanted to add to this as I just removed these 2 supposed plot holes. You can look at a couple of ways. 1, the track record of the Gruber characters, and this is eluded to later in the film with McClane saying "I know the family." In the first film, Hans had the entire heist planned perfectly, with the FBI cutting the power, blowing the roof, etc. McClane was "The fly in the ointment."

In the third film, Simon, wanted revenge, but also wanted to compete with McClane. He probably figured that because McClane bested his brother, that he would most likely survive the Harlem stunt and in doing so, would not be able to interrupt the train (he didn't give them enough time even with McClane's improvising).

The whole idea was to get rid of the police, which he did. There were rescue crews and such there and the dump trucks would not look suspect because they would appear to be hauling rubble away from the site. I could probably go into it further if I wanted to waste time, but it's definitely not a plot hole.

Venom-smasher 22:29, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

The factual error about the gold need to be removed. It is mentioned by John McClane that they did not take all the gold, therefore they would only take enough to fill the dump trucks.Agonsw 00:43, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Alternative ending factual accuracy

i think whoever wrote the alternative ending section was confused - they say the original ending is set in germany, wheras this doesnt seem to be correct, and indeed is not the case in the film I own. - Pm504 21:46, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Gruber → Simon

I have changed all occurrences of “Gruber” to “Simon”, which is the name by which he is called throughout the movie, and is the name who Jeremy Irons is billed as having played. “Gruber” is not even the character’s name! “Peter Krieg was born Simon Peter Gruber”; i.e. Gruber is not his last name anymore. I would move the Simon Gruber article to Peter Krieg, but it’s already taken, and I don’t really have the energy to create a disambiguation page and move stuff. --193.11.177.69 02:13, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Trivia

Just caught Die Hard with a Vengeance on TV tonight and noticed a rather blatant allusion to Dirty Harry - in the school with the bomb in it just before the kids are evacuated the teachers are leading them through a group sing-along of 'row row row your boat', just like Scorpio made the kids do on the bus in Dirty Harry.

Dubious trivia in the ending section

The fact about the man carrying a 4 gallon jug being beaten to solve the riddle is clearly false. it's in the wrong section and just doesn't make sense. I've read alot of trivia and listened to alot of interviews about this film and never once have I heard that factiod. Fenton Bailey 07:51, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Alternate Ending Flaw

I guess I'm really glad they didn't go with the overblown alternate ending after all. The comment that really stands out is that after all of these years, the FBI took away his Pension.

That is illegal. Qualified pension plans are governed by the Internal Revenue Service. Pensions are also referred to as a "defined benefit" plan, meaning that the contributions are based on a defined rate of company contribution typically, contrary to 401ks, where it is based on what the employee puts in.

It is illegal to take away a portion or all of somebody's pension for arbitrary reasons. The FBI would have had to terminate the Pension for everybody in the company by amending the governing plan document, and even then, the benefits promised and accrued before the Pension plan termination would still have to be paid out to all plan participants.

So if something like that happened, McClane could simply call the Department of Labor and he'd have his Pension back. --72.188.153.103 14:38, 8 July 2007 (UTC)SlayerRob

Learn something new every day -- thanks. --EEMeltonIV 21:18, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Correction to One of the Production Notes

Just want to make a correction on the McClane/Sandwich Board production note. That scene was not, at all, filmed in Harlem. In fact, that scene was filmed in Washington Heights (right outside my building), and Willis' board was blank. "I Hate Niggers" was actually added on in post-production. Patriot174 01:36, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Frozone=zuez

In a trivia section i think we should add the refrence to The incredibles. The bit where frozone is at gunpoint trying to get a drink in the jewlry store is the exact same premisis as when zuez carver is trying to awnser the phone in the subway.May i add that frozones voice actor, Samual L Jackson, is zuez carver in the film —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lord Cuthberton (talk • contribs) 14:32, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

"Alternate title"

Whoever is replacing the the title with, or inserting, that the film is called "Die Hard 3: With a Vengeance," or "Die Hard: With a Vengeance," please stop. Both these titles are incorrect. The film never had a 3 in the title, ever, and the only place where an ellipse is inserted in the title is in the commercial for the DVDs.