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==Fetured article, no citations et cetera?== |
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That would be highly unorthodox, yes? There also appear to be some examples of poor grammar, and parts read like a student essay instead of an encyclopedia article. |
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[[Special:Contributions/71.241.85.16|71.241.85.16]] ([[User talk:71.241.85.16|talk]]) 05:36, 27 May 2008 (UTC) |
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:There are plenty of inline citations now. Which phrases are of concern? [[User:Slambo|Slambo]] <small><font color="black">[[User talk:Slambo|(Speak)]]</font></small> 14:20, 21 August 2008 (UTC) |
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== A more current photo? == |
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{{reqphoto|transport|in=Washington, D.C.|of=a contemporary picture of the locomotive}} |
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Is there someone in the Washington DC area that can visit the museum and get a picture of the locomotive as it appears today for me? AdThanksVance. [[User:Slambo|slambo]] 21:08, Dec 7, 2004 (UTC) |
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== 2-4-0 vs 4-2-0 designation == |
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As described in the "Mechanical Modifications and Early Exhibitions" paragraph: "Effectively, the John Bull became a 2-4-0 (a locomotive with two unpowered leading axles followed by one powered axle and no unpowered trailing axles)" Based on the descriptions at [[Whyte notation]], [[2-4-0]], and [[4-2-0]]; the parenthetical describes a [[4-2-0]]. |
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http://www.rrmuseumpa.org/about/roster/johnbull.htm also mentions that the John Bull was a 4-2-0 after modification. |
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I'm going to correct the article text as well as the category to reflect this. |
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[[User:Munkee|Munkee]] 17:02, 15 September 2006 (UTC) |
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I now see that someone not logged in changed it from 4-2-0 to 2-4-0 recently. Please don't change it back to 2-4-0 unless you can provide some evidence on the discussion page. [[User:Munkee|Munkee]] 17:05, 15 September 2006 (UTC) |
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:4-2-0 is the correct designation for the post-modification configuration as there were two leading axles and only one powered axle. Thanks for catching this. [[User:Slambo|Slambo]] <small><font color="black">[[User talk:Slambo|(Speak)]]</font></small> 17:52, 15 September 2006 (UTC) |
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::4-2-0? I would think (2-2)-2-0, maybe? The two unpowered axles are independent of each other. It's customary to write it as "4-2-0" only if the leading unpowered axles are on the same truck (bogie). |
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::[[Special:Contributions/71.241.85.16|71.241.85.16]] ([[User talk:71.241.85.16|talk]]) 05:38, 27 May 2008 (UTC) |
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:::That's the way it's listed in the reference material, so that's the way it's listed here. [[User:Slambo|Slambo]] <small><font color="black">[[User talk:Slambo|(Speak)]]</font></small> 10:49, 27 May 2008 (UTC) |
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== Correct date on picture? == |
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The last picture on the page, which appears to be a painting, not a photograph, mentions the date 1981. Is this correct, and, if so, to what does the date refer? Was it a depiction of a long-ago time which was '''painted''' in 1981? It hardly seems likely that the scene was supposed to depict the exhibit occuring the year 1981... -[[User:Grammaticus Repairo|Grammaticus Repairo]] 17:07, 15 September 2007 (UTC) |
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:Yes the date is correct. The locomotive was restored and operated by technicians in period costume. [[User:Slambo|Slambo]] <small><font color="black">[[User talk:Slambo|(Speak)]]</font></small> 17:17, 15 September 2007 (UTC) |
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::This image really doesn't look like a photograph to me. Is it a painting? If so, why on earth would an artist create a '''painting''' of the locomotive being operated by '''techncians in period costumes''' that is inteded to depict the machine in the year '''1981'''? -[[User:Grammaticus Repairo|Grammaticus Repairo]] 18:50, 10 October 2007 (UTC) |
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:::It is not a painting, it is a photograph. The locomotive was restored and operated in 1981, the people operating the locomotive dressed up in period costume while they operated it. From [http://www.150.si.edu/chap4/bull.htm]: "On September 15,1981, after considerable analysis, a careful examination by a boiler-inspection firm, and a 1980 trial run on a branchline track in Virginia, John Bull displayed its magic before a rapt audience. Belching fire and smoke under the care of White and colleague John Stine, the locomotive ran on the Old Georgetown Branch rails beside the C&O Canal in Washington." It is that run that was photographed and that photograph is reproduced here. There are two other photos from the run on that page too. [[User:Slambo|Slambo]] <small><font color="black">[[User talk:Slambo|(Speak)]]</font></small> 10:56, 11 October 2007 (UTC) |
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:::It is the fact that this locomotive operated after 150 years from its construction that makes it especially notable. [[User:Slambo|Slambo]] <small><font color="black">[[User talk:Slambo|(Speak)]]</font></small> 10:58, 11 October 2007 (UTC) |
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== Inspected by Matthias Baldwin == |
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In going back through the reference materials for this article, I found notes that the ''John Bull'' was inspected by [[Matthias W. Baldwin]] (founder of [[Baldwin Locomotive Works]]) before he built his own first locomotives. This information should be included in this article, but I'm not sure where is the best place for it right now. Refs that mention this include: |
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* {{cite book| author=Alexander, E. P.| title=Iron Horses: American Locomotives 1829-1900| publisher=Courier Dover Publications| year=2003| isbn=0486425312| pages=p 26| }} |
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* {{cite book| author=Warner, Paul Theodore| title=Motive Power Development on the Pennsylvania Railroad System, 1831-1924| publisher=Pennsylvania Railroad Company| year=1924| pages=p 7}} |
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[[User:Slambo|Slambo]] <small><font color="black">[[User talk:Slambo|(Speak)]]</font></small> 17:52, 4 August 2008 (UTC) |
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== Another tidbit == |
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The New York Times had a note about the first engineer to drive this locomotive. On November 8, 1909, Tatem Parsons, the ''John Bull''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s first engineer who was also noted as being the nation's oldest locomotive engineer, died. |
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:{{cite news| work=New York Times| title=First Engineer of John Bull Dead| date=[[1909-11-09]]| url=http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=9507E6DE1239E733A25755C0A9679D946897D6CF| format=PDF| accessdate=2008-08-04| }} |
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[[User:Slambo|Slambo]] <small><font color="black">[[User talk:Slambo|(Speak)]]</font></small> 20:19, 4 August 2008 (UTC) |
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