Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Marching band

Article naming conventions

I'd like to propose that we use similar article naming conventions as Wikipedia:WikiProject College football and Wikipedia:WikiProject College basketball where the general format would be "University of Foo Band Name Here". An example would be Washington State University Cougar Marching Band. There are some existing articles such as Marching Illini that would become University of Illinois Marching Illini with a redirect since the name is specific enough. Less specific cases like "Cougar Marching Band" would likely be disambiguation pages pointing eventually to a number of band pages. -- Upholder 20:18, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Sounds good to me. I support the idea. —Wordbuilder 20:41, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

I agree, though there are quite a number of University Bands that have or use what would be non-standard names. I hope supporters don't get too fired up, when we get it all set up.--Rocksanddirt 15:56, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

I don't know of any examples where the convention couldn't be used. For example, Texas Tech's band is the Goin' Band from Raiderland. So, using this convention, the article would be moved to Texas Tech University Goin' Band from Raiderland. The stub I just created for Baylor's Golden Wave Band is Baylor University Golden Wave Band. —Wordbuilder 16:32, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Agree with the convention, as long as the more 'unique' names (without the university) are made redirects since there is some liklihood they'd be typed into the search box like that. AUTiger » talk 16:38, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm just thinking of how proprietary people are about their band. I agree with autiger, the nonstandard names should have redirects.--Rocksanddirt 17:50, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

I agree. Articles that are moved will automatically have redirects created. Creators of new articles should take the initiative in this department. —Wordbuilder 18:19, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Sounds like a great idea, I definitely support the idea --Littledrummrboy 18:38, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

I recommend that the main article be the band's own given name. My recommendation is that Redirect articles would be the ones titled "proper name of institution marching band" which would then either be the complete article if none exists or redirect to the name by which the band calls itself. The convention would be "name band calls itself" is the "institution name marching band". A case could be made for marching bands which are part of the student association or ROTC and permitted to use the institution moniker, but are not "owned" or funded by the institution itself. I do agree that the disambiguation page would be "common mascot marching band may refer to " X list of bands. Group29 20:53, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Good point, and one I hadn't considered in co-signing above. Thoughts? --Littledrummrboy 18:22, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Hmmm, that seems fine. though we do want to include redirects as well. and make sure they are on the universities main page/project pages as well. --Rocksanddirt 16:15, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Community marching Bands

perhaps a category? or maybe a short article discussing the existance of these types of organizations? --Rocksanddirt 15:56, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Definitely something that should be addressed somewhere; perhaps as an addition to the marching band article or as its own article. I support the category as well; I'll do some wiki-surfing in attempts to find articles which pertain to the category. --Littledrummrboy 18:42, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

Category for user box?

Would anyone be against putting a category in the user box? That way we could quickly find each others talk pages if we needed help or whatnot. Bassgoonist Talk 05:45, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

I think it's a good idea. —Wordbuilder 16:09, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm not a userbox fan, but categories are good. AUTiger » talk 19:07, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Sounds good to me. --Littledrummrboy 01:06, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

I gots no problems.--Rocksanddirt 04:02, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

New Observation

Ok, so whilst looking at the Tennessee (sp) band's article I noticed they had a big section with fight song lyrics and such. Other schools have the more notable songs as their own articles. so, should the notable school/fight songs with their own articles be included in the project? I would think so, as they are a big part of the marching band thing. --Rocksanddirt 16:14, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

The general rule for notability should apply: can you find reliable sources that allow you to support an article written about the subject? I doubt most fight songs actually qualify, although some digging through microfilm/fiche in libraries might uncover something on some fight songs. Also, including fight song lyrics in an article is generally a no-no as many would be under copyright. AUTiger » talk 03:41, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Good point on the copywrite stuff. --Rocksanddirt 03:49, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

I would think that, as long as the articles exist, they should be included in the project. Thus far, I don't know of any that have been nominated for deletion based on non-notability or on copyright violation. Not saying it hasn't happened or won't happened; I just don't know of any. Never mind that; see the discussion here. Incidentally, I created the new article and changed the redirect on the "deleted" article without checking the history. It wasn't until now that I realized it was part of an AfD discussion. However, the new article was never nommed for deletion and there are huge amounts of other fight songs now. So, with over a year passing, the issue should either be left alone or, at least, be revisited. →Wordbuilder 04:43, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Ok, include, but maybe we need to edit and update them (as we can)? --Rocksanddirt 01:21, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Hey, neighbor! We recently encountered such issues at Wikipedia:WikiProject College football, and we decided to put a section on our front project page called "Articles & Pages being considered for deletion" -- it's helped some, that's for sure. Maybe it can help you!--Paul McDonald (talk) 13:37, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice! →Wordbuilder (talk) 15:18, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

YouTube links

Rocksanddirt suggested that a link to a YouTube video of a marching band performing their fight song could be linked from the fight song article. I thought I would copy the discussion here. It looks the a proposal for a Wikipedia YouTube policy was discussed and rejected at Wikipedia:External links/YouTube. It would seem that a link to a video is OK as long as the linked material is not a copyright violation. However, some discussions I have seen dislike the linking of YouTube videos from Wikipedia. The issue has not been settled yet. In this particular case, there are videos at YouTube loaded by user "campcopake". They are linked from the uclaband.com site, so I would guess that they are officially sanctioned. The shots appear to be taken from the Rose Bowl press box as official band video. Thoughts? Group29 21:01, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

well, if it's official video we might still need to see what the copywrite situation is. If the broader en-wiki community is not for it, that's fine. --Rocksanddirt 21:12, 27 August 2007 (UTC) And I guess what it comes down to on any bit of video is "does it help the article, and not be a copywrite violation." --Rocksanddirt 21:17, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

I suppose it would be okay. However, if it's unsettled, I think it would be better to wait. →Wordbuilder 21:16, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

I think I'll wait in general, unless I know the source is solid, and it really helps the article. --Rocksanddirt 03:43, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Category for template

The template {{WikiProject Marching band}} needs a category added so all pages on which it is placed will be included on a list. This is common with other templates of this nature but missing from ours. What do y'all think? →Wordbuilder 14:42, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Seems fine to me. --Rocksanddirt 15:20, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Deletion attempts

There needs to be a section on the Project page where editors can post when associated articles are nominated for deletion. I just found out that there was a delection attempt on this (oddly by someone who has since left Wikipedia because the "community has become obsessed with... legalism to the point of absurdity.") Had I known about the proposed deletion—which didn't end up being upheld—I would have come to the defense of the article. →Wordbuilder (talk) 03:05, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Good idea. maybe a sub page to list them, and the location of the Afd discussion? --Rocksanddirt (talk) 17:16, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

We've put together CFB:DELETIONFAQ and have found it useful. You are welcome to swipe it!--Paul McDonald (talk) 20:24, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Fight song proposals

Anyone interested in possible policies (guidelines) about inclusion of fight songs on Wikipedia should review the discussion and offer your input at Wikipedia:Centralized discussion/Fight songs. AUTiger » talk 21:31, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Notability of fight songs

From a discussion on merging The Victors article into the main University of Michigan article on the Talk:University of Michigan page: As a song, The Victors is notable without even being placed into the category of Fight Songs. It was named in Wikipedia:Centralized_discussion/Fight_songs as an example of a notable fight song. The article itself has a ref from the New York Times. Template:Big Ten fight songs is one of many places that refer to the song and other Big Ten songs directly. The sports articles use a template similar to Template:NCAAFootballSchool where the fight song has its own link. The actual bar of notability in Wikipedia is not set that high should the question arise again. Group29 (talk) 22:16, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

I'm sure the question will come up again since that discussion pretty much came to a conclusion that no one is going to bother to enforce. Perhaps the next time it arises, it'll be just as much a waste of time as it was the first go around. →Wordbuilder (talk) 22:27, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Marching band

Since Marching band is essentially the flagship article of this WikiProject, does anyone else think we should work to get it to Good article, at the least, or maybe even Featured article status? Right now, it's in a miserable state and is a sad reflection on this project. →Wordbuilder (talk) 16:18, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Excellent idea. I implore all members of this WP to lend time to the cause. As we all know, it gets tricky, as each of us have a slightly different perspective, based on how/where we marched or have otherwise experienced marching band. I challenge all to keep the article informative, concise, and NPOV. Use the discussion page as well as this WP to discuss with us all as collaborators. Good call, Wordbuilder! Littledrummrboy (talk) 22:53, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Discussion regarding new stub template

There is a discussion in progress regarding this template created by Fliry Vorru. →Wordbuilder (talk) 15:37, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

AFD Notification

Howdy "neighbors across the street" !! You may be interested to participate in a deletion discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of drum corps. If there's anything we can do for you at Wikipedia:WikiProject College football just let us know!--Paul McDonald (talk) 21:00, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up. I contributed to the discussion and added the AfD to our Deletion Notices page. →Wordbuilder (talk) 22:10, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

A Barnstar for all project members

		The College football Barnstar
		For all you do to support college football and for never getting anything more than light applause, I award to the entire Wikipedia:WikiProject Marching band the College football barnstar. College football would not be the same without you.--Paul McDonald (talk) 13:35, 27 July 2008 (UTC) All members of the marching band project are entitled to display this barnstar on their talk page.

L. D. Bell High School (Hurst, Texas)

L. D. Bell High School (Hurst, Texas)'s marching band, the current Bands of America Grand National Champs, have been very successful for the past several years and beyond, but they don't have their own article. Is it appropriate to add the high school's article to 'Category:High school marching bands'? Also,I know notability is always a tough question, but are there any rough guidelines about what would make a high school marching band notable enough to have its own article? Thanks! --216.62.101.13 (talk) 19:34, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

I would say that it would not be appropriate to add the school's article to the band category. As far as notability goes, articles for most high school marching bands probably don't make the grade. However, ones that have won high-ranking awards are likely the exception. The rule of thumb is the amount of third-party coverage. If you can get good information from newspapers, magazines, and news websites, you're probably okay. If the only source is the school or a band organization, you're probably in trouble. →Wordbuilder (talk) 20:11, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the sanity check. I'm not sure why I was thinking of going by anything but the normal notability guidelines... I'm going to not create an article for the band. I think their notability too temporal and depends a lot on their current success. Maybe a second or third BOA win would be a good opportunity to examine whether there is notability for the long-term such that would justify an article. Thanks again! --216.62.101.13 (talk) 20:19, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Large number of AfD's in progress

There are (at present count) 58 pages up for deleletion in AfD Discussions at the College Football Project. Since your project is listed as a related project, your project members may wish to participate. This large volume is really more than we can handle in such a short period of time and the project asks for your input. Please review Articles & Pages being considered for deletion immediately.--Paul McDonald (talk) 20:32, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Wow! Someone is really going after football article. I'll take a look and hopefully others here will as well. →Wordbuilder (talk) 20:42, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

We would truly appreciate all the help we can get on this one. Hey, if it should be deleted, that's fine... but we just don't have the time or manpower to address the sheer volume we're facing!--Paul McDonald (talk) 20:03, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia 0.7 articles have been selected for Marching band

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Folks, we better make it a priority to cleanup Marching band. It has a refimprove tag on it, which is not a good thing. →Wordbuilder (talk) 16:39, 28 September 2008 (UTC)