Talk:Autonomism

Merger/Templates

Autonomism is a more correct translation of the term "autonome". Furthermore, maybe this article should be merged with autonomist Marxism? Tazmaniacs 16:32, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

Merge done. Tazmaniacs 00:06, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Couldnt some 'part of series' template be added? im also quite confused with the 'socialism' 'communism' 'marxism' templates, but this should certanly be part of some of them ...--Aryah 02:04, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Why not? The problem though with these templates is that they tend to "appropriate" themselves movement. For example, the "marxist" template is relevant, but so is the "anarchist" one. Although the movement originally grew up out of Italian autonomist marxism, even in Italy the autonomist movement shared strong characteristics (spontaneous, direct action or propaganda of the deed, emphasis on other people than the factory worker seen as the only real member of the proletariat according to classic marxism & communist parties, etc.). So, if we put one, it will invariably be biased. I don't really want to engage in this "war" between anarchism & marxism, I don't believe it's worth it. Maybe a solution would be to include "autonomism" in the relevant templateS without including the template here (or else we'll have to put both of them). Tazmaniacs 14:48, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I see your point! Previously, it was simply part of the 'communism' template, that didnt prejudicate I think much about its ideology in the anarchism vs marxism area.. Is that template being depreciated now? Simply, with marxism having its template, anarchism its, socialism its, what else is there left for communism, but, maybe, specific ideologies of particular countries? --Aryah 10:03, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

I don't know. Look it out... Tazmaniacs 13:43, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

I think it should be under the anarchist template. At least the Danish autonome are seem close to social anarchism like in Anarchism#Anarchism_as_a_Social_Movement and Social Anarchism. Carewolf 21:10, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

The theoretical strand known as Autonomism should not be confused with what was known as the Autonome in Germany and Denmark (and Holland I believe). The Autonome grew out of squatter movements in the 80s in Germany, while Autonomism out of Operaismo. The fomer is Anarchist, the latter is not (though they do have similarities). In fact there is a lot of Leninist heritage in Italian Autonomism. In addition Autonomism is the label English/American writers such as Harry Cleaver, Nick Dyer-Whitford has used to describe it. Autonomism could as well be labeled Post-Operaismo. I would suggest that this (also known as post-Operaismo) be added right after Autonomism is mentioned in the entry. Khawaga (talk) 10:44, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

autonomist Marxism?

There's a big problem here with the term 'autonomia' used to describe a historical movement. It didn't by any means grow out of autonomist marxism. It was a separate pre-existing movement which operaismo (the current which would later be called 'autonomist marxism' after this point) dissolved itself into. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 80.195.1.2 (talk • contribs).

I absolutely agree. The term Autonomia can not be restricted to Workerism and Autonomist Marxism. I believe that the viewpoint of the article is too politically biased, favouring only those specific trends of Autonomia. This article should be properly modified so that it includes all trends of Autonomia, in a balanced way. Autonomia! (talk) 14:24, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Copyedit and rewrite

I've given this a copyedit and restructure, and requested. I've also expanded it a little with some information from the Italian Wikipedia.

There are a couple of places where I've added {{Fact}} tags - not implying that what's been said is untrue, but they're fairly sweeping statements and citations would be useful. Tpth 05:22, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

expanding the autonomism article

maybe you can add some more info from http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autonomismo to the english autonomism article. for example, that autonomism is a hybrid ideology of marxism and anarchism, etc. i think this will help to better understand what autonomism is about. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 80.128.222.228 (talk) 08:25, 12 April 2007 (UTC).