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Original research on Battle of Opis

You commented earlier on Talk:Battle of Opis about Ariobarza's original research. Unfortunately he's ignored everything that was said and has created a POV fork based on his OR, at Battle of the Tigris. It's been nominated for deletion - see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Battle of the Tigris. Please feel free to contribute to the AfD discussion. -- ChrisO (talk) 20:27, 27 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

done. Sigh. --Alvestrand (talk) 20:39, 27 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You probably also noticed that Ariobarza is now lashing out with personal attacks against myself and other editors who have !voted to delete. This seems to be a habit of his. Having reviewed his edits systematically, I believe there are significant concerns about him that need to be addressed. I have raised this issue at WP:AN/I#User:Ariobarza. Please feel free to contribute to the discussion. -- ChrisO (talk) 20:27, 28 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Question

I do not know if I am breaking the rules here by commenting on your page but what does this mean?

You are breaking the rules. You're supposed to log in and use your talk page.

Ariobarza blocked "for a time period of infinite" by Jehochman. What does "for a time period of infinite" mean?

Ask Jehochman. I think his comment on AN/I was pretty clear:

I concur. The block evading sock puppetry combined with the history of disruption shows that this user account should not be allowed to edit further. If somebody would like to volunteer to mentor them and take responsibility for ensuring that they do not resume disruption, I will consider undoing the indefinite block that I am placing on the account. Jehochman Talk 12:57, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

[The below is what I told ChrisO], he wants to ban me! He is trying to delete sourced articles, and ignoring me, I knew there was something fishy about him... I could not reach you by any communication, so I am [Sorry] I am commenting on your page now. I do not know why I can edit from my computer now. I know I should not, so I will make this brief. I had prophesied I would get finally banned, despite my efforts to be nice, you escalated things, and I am now blocked, and now you want to ban me? THIS WAS YOUR AGENDA PERIOD! You just needed to sway the crowd a little, so good job. By the way check out my home page, and do not edit it please. So again I know I should not break the rules now, but seeing that your trying to delete valid articles, I had to put in the sources. I do not know if my articles (with you here) will survive in a week, so I had to do it. I am willing to not edit Wikipedia for two weeks (I will double my own sentence, to make up for my breaking of the rules) IF you promise me you will not delete those articles until the end of November, when I come back with my Public Apology and Reconciliation Letter to all(maybe even to you too, ChrisO). I want to come back, I love editing Wikipedia (it has a good feeling, and I ask to have a mentor if I knew I could make articles before making them when putting my name in front of the title I would have done that, and no OR would have occured, I needed to put enough material to sustain the article in the begining, that is why it looks like OR, so this is my solution to how I will be good, thats if you do not ban me of course, if you do I will never come here again, the founder of Wikipedia made mistakes too, and he's a Libertarian like me, so we have something in common, and I have potential to improve, I accept I have made major mistakes in Wikipedia, mostly in OR and CIVIL stuff, I came here to Wikipedia last year, so I am technically new to the game, and wish to survive, so my life is in your hands...) I say this to you from the bottom of my {heart}. Thank you.

Please, I beg you Alvestrand, don't let him do this, when editing articles I will uses sandboxes to perfect it before posting it from now, I will do anything, just do not let him keep tricking the crowd in his favor, he thinks he is special. God help us all.--99.49.15.82 (talk) 04:26, 1 November 2008 (UTC)Ariobarza talk[reply]

The problem has nothing to do with ChrisO. It's all about you. --Alvestrand (talk) 05:21, 1 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ancient Persian problems

You've recently contributed to discussions about problems with articles about ancient Persian history. I have been reviewing the contributions of the editors who have been involved in these and other related articles, and have found a considerable number of issues - bad writing, original research, lack of sourcing or citations, and POV problems. I have posted the results of my review at User:ChrisO/Ancient Persian problems (it's a work in progress, as I'm still going through the contributions). Please feel free to add to it and leave any comments at User talk:ChrisO/Ancient Persian problems. I would be interested in any feedback that you might have. Thanks in advance. -- ChrisO (talk) 01:03, 6 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

John DeFrancis

I'm refactoring the stuff that User:ㄏㄨㄤㄉㄧ puts here into a single section.

John DeFrancis= OWNED and PAwned by me

i have a good reason why john defrancis is wrong, chinese has a massive amount of homophones per sound, but they are written in different characters, if you were to get rid of them, then you cant tell the difference between the words "bright", and dark, which are BOTH pronounced míng, yet written with different characters, 冥 and 眀 see this for proof:[1] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.83.138.17 (talk) 18:43, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome back, User:ㄏㄨㄤㄉㄧ. --Alvestrand (talk) 19:30, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

regardless, i still pawned both john defrancis AND you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.155.143.217 (talk) 19:36, 9 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

the rule only says you get to block me, not blank my contributions. it doesnt say " i dont get to make changes here", plus it says right in the article that DeFrancis says ideographic writing is impossible. and in your book review too..... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.160.247.92 (talk) 07:16, 10 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

now, what would be the point in blocking someone if he is then allowed to make edits from another account? That's called sockpuppetry, and that's why you were blocked in the first place. I'm being liberal in not reverting edits you did to talkpages. (btw, "pawned" usually means "given away as security for a loan of money"). --Alvestrand (talk) 16:17, 10 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

WRONG. i was blocked for HARRASMENT, not SOCKPUPPETRY OWNED

i had sockpuppets before i was blocked, but only started to abuse them after i was blocked for "harrasment". and if you check my edit record, all i did was place a sockpuppet template on someones talk page, just like that person did to me. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.107.79.137 (talk) 20:31, 10 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

and considering the fact that my talk page is indef blocked, i cant request unblock....

I've heard that there is this ancient technology around called "email".... seriously, if you go on being insulting, abusive and aggressive like you've demonstrated here, there's not much use in asking. --Alvestrand (talk) 20:51, 10 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The Chinese language

You're welcome :). It seems that Chinese guy has a hidden political agenda, and intends to make up a "Rebuttal" section as a way to assign the Chinese language (and the writing system) the status of a "special language", a language with great properties that set it apart from all the other languages of the planet.

I do not know anything about Chinese -- I am just a curious reader about languages in general --, so I can't say whether professor John DeFrancis' opinions are academically criticizable, but I do not like when people (like that Chinese guy) use Wikipedia as a vehicle to promote hidden political agendas. That is why I have reverted the edits of that Chinese guy. --Antonielly (talk) 16:49, 10 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

WRONG. almost every single sound in chinese has over a dozen homophones, with few exceptions. this is not engilsh, antonielly. maybe you should stop drinking. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.107.79.137 (talk) 20:27, 10 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

since when did i say chinese was a special language? OWNED OWNED OWNED OWNED —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.107.79.137 (talk) 20:30, 10 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It seems that Chinese guy has a hidden political agenda, and intends to make up a "Rebuttal" section as a way to assign the Chinese language (and the writing system) the status of a "special language",

there is no single chinese language. therefore how can i be promoting it? OWNED

i was not blocked for suckppetry liar

see the block log again. you may have been hallucinating after eating that mushroom. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.155.143.232 (talk) 20:42, 10 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Then why does your user page say so? --Alvestrand (talk) 20:45, 10 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

i dont know, i didnt put it up.... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.155.155.111 (talk) 22:01, 10 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I guess someone put it up after your other sockpuppets were discovered. Sigh. --Alvestrand (talk) 22:12, 10 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

WRONG, i started abusing them AFTER i was blocked...... lets talk about tis on your norwegian accont talk page, i dont have any editing history or blaocking history on there. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.107.74.182 (talk) 19:18, 11 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

havent you thought of a way to stop my edits? did you realize you could stop my edits by semi protecting the page? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.84.161.134 (talk) 23:07, 11 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

it's much more fun watching you record all your IP blocks. Pretty cold in New York today, isn't it? --Alvestrand (talk) 23:17, 11 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

nope. online weather sources arent reliable —Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.155.144.147 (talk) 23:25, 11 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

you havent responded about the homophones —Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.84.136.35 (talk) 23:45, 11 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I don't respond on matters of content with a blocked user on English Wikipedia. --Alvestrand (talk) 06:18, 12 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

and all i was blocked for was placing a sockpuppet template on someones talk page.... you claim i was blocked for sockpuppetry, and then "incivility".

Incivility constitutes putting a sockpuppet template on someones talk page? also my block log records nothing of sockpuppetry. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.83.176.100 (talk) 06:49, 12 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I was too kind. The block message said "(Personal attacks or harassment: blocked until reasonable answer for recent actions can be provided)" - with the previous one being "‎(Disruptive editing: account only for nationalist provocations)". --Alvestrand (talk) 07:41, 12 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

you know what ill stop because this isnt fun. i will return to regular vandalism i.e. targeting random pages, redirecting them and inserting text into them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.160.245.92 (talk) 20:36, 12 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

your list

I have put some other sources here. Curtis for example is a well known scholar[2]. Another way to find more scholars is to search www.iranica.com and see which Achaemenids articles are assigned to which scholars on which topic. Most (unfortunately in my opinion not all) of their topics are written by the expert in that topic.--Nepaheshgar (talk) 17:34, 10 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! Your page seemed organized around quotations, not publications and credentials, which is what I wanted to find a way to get a handle on - but I'll see what I can crosslink. --Alvestrand (talk) 18:12, 10 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Alvestrand, I was wondering if I could get you to delete the De Gobineau reference on your Persian sources page? I have no idea how I happened to put in a reference to a white supremacist in this article but apparently I did. I have deleted it and since it is apparently not really relevant to the page, I would appreciate it if you dumped it. I assure you I will not add him again and am quite uncomfortable being responsible for his addition to this page. Otherwise the page is a very good idea and quite interesting. Tundrabuggy (talk) 02:02, 11 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No problem - I wanted to keep his name around in case I encountered it again, so I made a special section for "People who should be cited warily if at all", and removed the notes about where I found the reference. Have fun! --Alvestrand (talk) 06:57, 11 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

can you help with the summary in the footnote? I think it is crucial Daku, Nishu and etc. be written. The problem expressed by one user is that the quote from Lambert (since it is kind of long) can violate copy right issues. The best way to go around this is obviously to rewrite for Lambert has written. The stuff about Daku, Nishu though is crucial and I would appreciate it if you as a 3rd party can summarize that portion. --Nepaheshgar (talk) 22:40, 11 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Can you share the article(s) with me? I don't have JSTOR access, so I can't see anything but the first page. --Alvestrand (talk) 22:46, 11 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi I can send you the JSTOR article. But the issue was not the JSTOR article. Check the last r.v., the other side is claiming that the quote I brought from Lambert(exact by exact wording) is too long and can violate copy right. So I thought a 3rd party can help to summarize that quote in the footnote while keeping the main points of Lambert, specially with the Daku and Nishu. --Nepaheshgar (talk) 23:27, 11 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I don't have Lambert's article either - was hoping you had that, too, from JSTOR. I can't write anything on the basis of an article I haven't read in its entirety - especially not in this rather tense context. --Alvestrand (talk) 06:16, 12 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. Okay if you send me a wiki email, I'll send you the JSTOR and Lambert article. Thank you. --Nepaheshgar (talk) 06:25, 12 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

What the...?

Who do you think you are factoring me out on a deletion page? And inspiring a topic ban for me, when I did not break any rules (I copy pasted existing text from the Gordium article to the siege page, I DID NOT make anything up), your trying my patience. Give a good response on my page! Thanks...--Ariobarza (talk) 18:19, 17 November 2008 (UTC)Ariobarza[reply]

I don't know anything about a topic ban. Your habit of trying to fill up AfD pages with cruft is damaging to the process of AfD, damaging to your own reputation, and damaging to any chance of making the article survive. I'm trying to reduce the amount of damage you do in all 3 areas, without censoring you in any way. Try to understand instead of yelling; it usually is more effective in achieving your aims. --Alvestrand (talk) 18:36, 17 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"Actions speak louder than (capital) words"

Sigh, okay here I go, firstly, please talk to Ev, and tell him/her to come back to reality. Secondly, though I do not care now, I got blocked for incivility, but I did not neccessarily break any rules. The only problem I have with that is because it stained my record on Wikipedia (there was a similar case in the ANI page about someone getting blocked for line in a straightforward comment). Please do not be in denial, being blocked for an opinion is not right, the truth was told [kindly implied] (to one person). I am sorry however it offended you, and that is not what I wanted.

[[[But currently, I will tell you a secret now, your welcomed to canvass this on to ChrisO. I am GaThErInG a list of so called sins similar to what a certain user had for me on my ANI page that I was later blocked for. I do not want to further this dispute I have with a certain user. I want to end it, because, to tell you the truth (though I have made mistakes too) I am at a breaking point. I will decide this once and for all with comparison of FACTS on the ANI page, and upon seeing the truth, it will be hard for anyone to not to realize it. The end.]]]

As you can see, I do not have an issue with you. I was civil in the begining. But labeling, calling names, incivility, and threats ON ME, (plus my own ravings) led to a block. Therefore I know now how things are run here. Welcome to the real world, robots now rule.

Really think about this one, before responding on my page...--Ariobarza (talk) 19:40, 17 November 2008 (UTC)Ariobarza[reply]

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 ''"Actions speak louder than (capital) words"''
-Sigh, okay here I go, firstly, please talk to Ev, and tell him/her to back to reality. Secondly, ''though I do not care now,'' I got blocked for incivility, but I did not neccessarily break any rules. The only problem I have with that is because it stained my record on Wikipedia (there was a similar case in the ANI page about someone getting blocked for line in a straightforward comment). Please do not be in denial, being blocked for an opinion is not right, the truth was told [kindly implied] (to one person). I am sorry however it offended you, and that is '''not''' what I wanted.
+Sigh, okay here I go, firstly, please talk to Ev, and tell him/her to come back to reality. Secondly, ''though I do not care now,'' I got blocked for incivility, but I did not neccessarily break any rules. The only problem I have with that is because it stained my record on Wikipedia (there was a similar case in the ANI page about someone getting blocked for line in a straightforward comment). Please do not be in denial, being blocked for an opinion is not right, the truth was told [kindly implied] (to one person). I am sorry however it offended you, and that is '''not''' what I wanted.
 [[[But currently, I will tell you a secret now, your welcomed to canvass this on to ChrisO. ''I am GaThErInG a list of so called sins'' similar to what a ''certain'' user had for me on my ANI page that I was later blocked for. I do not want to further this dispute I have with a ''certain'' user.  I want to end it, because, to tell you the truth (though I have made mistakes too) I am at a breaking point. I will decide this once and for all with comparison of FACTS on the ANI page, and upon seeing the truth, it will be hard for anyone to not to realize it. The end.]]]