Talk:Jewish deicide

Christ killers

I deleted the following sentence which I introdiced myself:

According to the Kingdom of David PBS TV documentary, the latter term is attributed to the preacher John Chrysostom, who introduced it in his cermons against "Judaizers".</nowiki>

Here is the full translated text of all 8 anti-Judaizer cermons. Indeed, he says that Jews murdered Christ, but I see no immediate indication on a term "Christ killer". (I see phrases "those who slew Christ", "Christ whom they crucified", "slayers of Christ", "those who shed the blood of Christ") It may be a problem or artifact of translation (several are known). Also, this website does not have the source of the translation, hence there is some doubt in translation.

So until I see a WP:RS, supplied with original Greek text, I don't think that the statement is properly grounded and I don't trust American TV to be a reliable source in this respect.

Also the "John Chrysostom" article referring to Walter Laqueur's book mentions the term "assassins of Christ"

In any case "Christ killer" is a typically English language collocation and one must be careful in claiming that some Ancient Roman of Greek "first introduced it".

What do you think, colleagues? Meanwhile I will write something vague to replace. Mukadderat (talk) 00:05, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Here is a ref to 1996 book quoting this (Malcolm Hay, 1950) for "assassins of Christ" term attributed to Chrysostom. Mukadderat (talk) 00:17, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

P.S. the article 'Kingdom of David itself requires expert oversight. Mukadderat (talk) 01:48, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Proceeding further

When searching certain antisemitic topics in wikipedia using google I could not help but notice that there is an enormous amount of content duplication in the "Antisemitism" domain, and some of it starts diverging and turning into chaos, while other sits cut-and-pasted neglected and unreferenced. It particular, I would strongly recommend you'all to refresh familiarity with wikipedia:Summary style. IMO it will help to cope with this text bloating due to duplication.

Do you have any wikiProject which keeps an eye from the "bird's-eye view"? If not I'd advise to have one.

Anyway, I wrote the separate "Jewish deicide" article, mostly by cut'n'paste from wikipedia and subsequent removal of errors and nonsense. And I linked it from surprisingly many wikipedia article, so I am wondering why the idea to write in did not occur to someone earlier.

I don't think I will continue to elaborate it (only watch against vandalism). Therefore I would like you to ask three things:

1. Address the concern in section #Christ killers above
2. Expand/fix the article
3. Optionally find a better article title (I hope it will happen without move wars)

Good luck, bye, Mukadderat (talk) 01:48, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Similar claims in islam

Many muslim extremists have apparently transformed the charge of deicide into that of murderers of prophets (cf article in The Atlantic [1]). Some of them believe that jews had treated both Jesus and Mohammad quite unfairly, although there is lack of consensus on their part into many aspects of Jesus's human and divine life and also on the cause of death of Mohammad. 69.157.229.153 (talk) 23:38, 2 January 2009 (UTC)