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Folks, it's silly, ''and completely irrelevant,'' to spin an ongoing clean-up as tit-for-tat. Wikipedia has too many me-too products advertising themselves here. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Homeboyfrisco|Homeboyfrisco]] ([[User talk:Homeboyfrisco|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Homeboyfrisco|contribs]]) 16:16, 28 March 2009 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
Folks, it's silly, ''and completely irrelevant,'' to spin an ongoing clean-up as tit-for-tat. Wikipedia has too many me-too products advertising themselves here. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Homeboyfrisco|Homeboyfrisco]] ([[User talk:Homeboyfrisco|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Homeboyfrisco|contribs]]) 16:16, 28 March 2009 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
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*'''Delete''' as not notable. --Thomas <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Thomasjnewsome|Thomasjnewsome]] ([[User talk:Thomasjnewsome|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Thomasjnewsome|contribs]]) 17:04, 27 March 2009 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
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*'''KEEP''' Anki is highly innovative. Being able to define multi-dimensional facts from which multiple cards can be derived is a brilliant development. I believe this is driving it's popularity, and why it's under such active development. There's no other SRS with this advanced knowledge management mechanism. It is particularly popular for language learning. [[Special:Contributions/206.126.170.20|206.126.170.20]] ([[User talk:206.126.170.20|talk]]) <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|undated]] comment added 17:18, 27 March 2009 (UTC).</span><!--Template:Undated--> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
*'''KEEP''' Anki is highly innovative. Being able to define multi-dimensional facts from which multiple cards can be derived is a brilliant development. I believe this is driving it's popularity, and why it's under such active development. There's no other SRS with this advanced knowledge management mechanism. It is particularly popular for language learning. [[Special:Contributions/206.126.170.20|206.126.170.20]] ([[User talk:206.126.170.20|talk]]) <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|undated]] comment added 17:18, 27 March 2009 (UTC).</span><!--Template:Undated--> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
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See the discussion referenced above. There are strict requirements for [[Wikipedia:Notability|notability]] and [[reliable sources]] -- also see requirements for [[Wikipedia:No original research|no original research]]. [[Anki]] fails on all three, and only one failure is sufficient cause for deletion. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/98.210.152.178|98.210.152.178]] ([[User talk:98.210.152.178|talk]]) 18:16, 27 March 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
See the discussion referenced above. There are strict requirements for [[Wikipedia:Notability|notability]] and [[reliable sources]] -- also see requirements for [[Wikipedia:No original research|no original research]]. [[Anki]] fails on all three, and only one failure is sufficient cause for deletion. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/98.210.152.178|98.210.152.178]] ([[User talk:98.210.152.178|talk]]) 18:16, 27 March 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
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*<s>'''Weak delete'''.</s> Yes, there's the coverage at Lifehacker, but it's only one source. —'''[[User:C.Fred|C.Fred]]''' ([[User_talk:C.Fred|talk]]) 21:45, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
*<s>'''Weak delete'''.</s> Yes, there's the coverage at Lifehacker, but it's only one source. —'''[[User:C.Fred|C.Fred]]''' ([[User_talk:C.Fred|talk]]) 21:45, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
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*<small class="delsort-notice">'''Note''': This debate has been included in the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Software|list of Software-related deletion discussions]]. </small><small>——'''[[User:C.Fred|C.Fred]]''' ([[User_talk:C.Fred|talk]]) 21:54, 27 March 2009 (UTC)</small>
*<small class="delsort-notice">'''Note''': This debate has been included in the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Software|list of Software-related deletion discussions]]. </small><small>——'''[[User:C.Fred|C.Fred]]''' ([[User_talk:C.Fred|talk]]) 21:54, 27 March 2009 (UTC)</small>
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* '''Keep''' - I believe that lifehacker and other referenced review sites provide sufficient notability. If paper sources are required, there is also an article due out in a Japanese journal in June, but unfortunately that is too late to be useful for this AfD.
* '''Keep''' - I believe that lifehacker and other referenced review sites provide sufficient notability. If paper sources are required, there is also an article due out in a Japanese journal in June, but unfortunately that is too late to be useful for this AfD.


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Oh - and Anki was included in the April 2008 issue of the German c't magazine. It also ships with 3 of the major Linux distributions (Ubuntu, Fedora and Debian). You can find it talked about on many language learning forums. Perhaps not arguments for notability in wikipedia's official guidelines, but a demonstration of notability none the less.
Oh - and Anki was included in the April 2008 issue of the German c't magazine. It also ships with 3 of the major Linux distributions (Ubuntu, Fedora and Debian). You can find it talked about on many language learning forums. Perhaps not arguments for notability in wikipedia's official guidelines, but a demonstration of notability none the less.
[[Special:Contributions/58.3.182.104|58.3.182.104]] ([[User talk:58.3.182.104|talk]]) 00:39, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
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*<small class="delsort-notice">'''Note''': This debate has been included in the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Japan|list of Japan-related deletion discussions]]. </small><small>—[[User:Fg2|Fg2]] ([[User talk:Fg2|talk]]) 01:47, 28 March 2009 (UTC)</small>
*<small class="delsort-notice">'''Note''': This debate has been included in the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Japan|list of Japan-related deletion discussions]]. </small><small>—[[User:Fg2|Fg2]] ([[User talk:Fg2|talk]]) 01:47, 28 March 2009 (UTC)</small>
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*'''Delete''' non-notable and no proper references [[Special:Contributions/114.158.117.221|114.158.117.221]] ([[User talk:114.158.117.221|talk]]) 06:11, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' non-notable and no proper references [[Special:Contributions/114.158.117.221|114.158.117.221]] ([[User talk:114.158.117.221|talk]]) 06:11, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
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*'''Weak Keep'''; Whilst the [http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=%22Anki%22+%22spaced-repetition%22&hl=en&start=0&sa=N mass of language blog reviews] may not be enough to tip the [[WP:N|notability]] scales, I believe [http://www.hindu.com/2009/02/23/stories/2009022350081400.htm this article] in [[The Hindu]] lends a bit of weight. I'll continue to look for sources, but for the moment it's still a weak one. Not too impressed by the very [[WP:POINT|pointy]] nom and the gaggle of associated SPAs, but I guess what I'm even less impressed with is the possibility of this being some corporate tit-for-tat, following the [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Crammage|Crammage AFD]]. ''[[User:Onebravemonkey|<span style="color:#006400">one</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Onebravemonkey|<span style="color:#8B0000">brave</span>]][[User talk:Onebravemonkey|<span style="color:#8B4513">monkey</span>]]'' 07:35, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
*'''Weak Keep'''; Whilst the [http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=%22Anki%22+%22spaced-repetition%22&hl=en&start=0&sa=N mass of language blog reviews] may not be enough to tip the [[WP:N|notability]] scales, I believe [http://www.hindu.com/2009/02/23/stories/2009022350081400.htm this article] in [[The Hindu]] lends a bit of weight. I'll continue to look for sources, but for the moment it's still a weak one. Not too impressed by the very [[WP:POINT|pointy]] nom and the gaggle of associated SPAs, but I guess what I'm even less impressed with is the possibility of this being some corporate tit-for-tat, following the [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Crammage|Crammage AFD]]. ''[[User:Onebravemonkey|<span style="color:#006400">one</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Onebravemonkey|<span style="color:#8B0000">brave</span>]][[User talk:Onebravemonkey|<span style="color:#8B4513">monkey</span>]]'' 07:35, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
*'''NOT''' Lol, The Hindu and c't (both!) are AdSense-based republications of random blog posts! I think Onebravemonkey's credibility is shot at this point.
*'''NOT''' Lol, The Hindu and c't (both!) are AdSense-based republications of random blog posts! I think Onebravemonkey's credibility is shot at this point.<small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:76.14.82.5|76.14.82.5]] ([[User talk:76.14.82.5|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/76.14.82.5|contribs]]) </span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned -->
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*'''Keep'''. While the coverage in ''The Hindu'' isn't the most expansive, it tells me that coverage is out there, and coupled with the mention in ''c't'' (which I have not seen to verify), the article should be improved rather than deleted.
*'''Keep'''. While the coverage in ''The Hindu'' isn't the most expansive, it tells me that coverage is out there, and coupled with the mention in ''c't'' (which I have not seen to verify), the article should be improved rather than deleted.
:I agree with Onebravemonkey's assessment that this nomination is tit-for-tat over the deletion of Crammage; however, I don't think it's a bad-faith nomination, so I'm considering the matter solely on the issue of notability and verifiability of this article. Precendent may be useful as a guideline, but [[WP:OTHERSTUFF|other stuff exists]], so articles have to be evaluated on a stand-alone basis. —'''[[User:C.Fred|C.Fred]]''' ([[User_talk:C.Fred|talk]]) 13:11, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
:I agree with Onebravemonkey's assessment that this nomination is tit-for-tat over the deletion of Crammage; however, I don't think it's a bad-faith nomination, so I'm considering the matter solely on the issue of notability and verifiability of this article. Precendent may be useful as a guideline, but [[WP:OTHERSTUFF|other stuff exists]], so articles have to be evaluated on a stand-alone basis. —'''[[User:C.Fred|C.Fred]]''' ([[User_talk:C.Fred|talk]]) 13:11, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
*'''NOT''' See comment above about The Hindu and c't being an AdSense-based republication of random blog posts. In my mind, this questions C.Fred's credibility as well.
*'''NOT''' See comment above about The Hindu and c't being an AdSense-based republication of random blog posts. In my mind, this questions C.Fred's credibility as well.<small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:76.14.82.5|76.14.82.5]] ([[User talk:76.14.82.5|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/76.14.82.5|contribs]]) </span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned -->
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*'''Delete''' -- no [[reliable sources]]. Thinly vailed advertisement. --John Hwang
*'''Delete''' -- no [[reliable sources]]. Thinly vailed advertisement. --John Hwang
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*'''Keep'''; An Anki screenshot is the screenshot image on Wikipedia's own [[Spaced Repetition]] page, and Anki is widely recognized as the only [[FOSS]] alternative to [[SuperMemo]]. While I agree that Spaced Repetition itself may be a small field, Anki is a major player in that small field. If Anki does not meet Notability guidelines, then neither does the Spaced Repetition learning technique. In fact, the Spaced Repetition page links to [[Sebastian Leitner]], [[Cecil Alec Mace]], the [[Pimsleur language learning system]], and [[Paul Pimsleur]], all of which should be deleted for non-Notability. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Dotancohen|Dotancohen]] ([[User talk:Dotancohen|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Dotancohen|contribs]]) 13:36, 28 March 2009 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
*'''Keep'''; An Anki screenshot is the screenshot image on Wikipedia's own [[Spaced Repetition]] page, and Anki is widely recognized as the only [[FOSS]] alternative to [[SuperMemo]]. While I agree that Spaced Repetition itself may be a small field, Anki is a major player in that small field. If Anki does not meet Notability guidelines, then neither does the Spaced Repetition learning technique. In fact, the Spaced Repetition page links to [[Sebastian Leitner]], [[Cecil Alec Mace]], the [[Pimsleur language learning system]], and [[Paul Pimsleur]], all of which should be deleted for non-Notability. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Dotancohen|Dotancohen]] ([[User talk:Dotancohen|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Dotancohen|contribs]]) 13:36, 28 March 2009 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


To be fair, [[Mnemosyne_(software)]] is also a notable FOSS alternative to SuperMemo, and has been around for longer than Anki - so I wouldn't call Anki the 'only' alternative.[[Special:Contributions/58.3.182.104|58.3.182.104]] ([[User talk:58.3.182.104|talk]]) 13:43, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
To be fair, [[Mnemosyne_(software)]] is also a notable FOSS alternative to SuperMemo, and has been around for longer than Anki - so I wouldn't call Anki the 'only' alternative.[[Special:Contributions/58.3.182.104|58.3.182.104]] ([[User talk:58.3.182.104|talk]]) 13:43, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
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Delete. The less people know about this software, the better it is for me (my [[comparative advantage]] increases). Maybe I'll start deleting all the [[spaced repetition]] links. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/119.92.180.15|119.92.180.15]] ([[User talk:119.92.180.15|talk]]) 15:01, 28 March 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
Delete. The less people know about this software, the better it is for me (my [[comparative advantage]] increases). Maybe I'll start deleting all the [[spaced repetition]] links. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/119.92.180.15|119.92.180.15]] ([[User talk:119.92.180.15|talk]]) 15:01, 28 March 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
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This is part of an ongoing cleanup of Wikipedia to remove articles about minor products. By precedence, me-too articles about flash-card software do not qualify when only blogs are referenced for notability. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Homeboyfrisco (talkcontribs) 15:28, 27 March 2009 (UTC) This template must be substituted. Folks, it's silly, and completely irrelevant, to spin an ongoing clean-up as tit-for-tat. Wikipedia has too many me-too products advertising themselves here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Homeboyfrisco (talkcontribs) 16:16, 28 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]


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  • KEEP Anki is highly innovative. Being able to define multi-dimensional facts from which multiple cards can be derived is a brilliant development. I believe this is driving it's popularity, and why it's under such active development. There's no other SRS with this advanced knowledge management mechanism. It is particularly popular for language learning. 206.126.170.20 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 17:18, 27 March 2009 (UTC).[reply]

See the discussion referenced above. There are strict requirements for notability and reliable sources -- also see requirements for no original research. Anki fails on all three, and only one failure is sufficient cause for deletion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.210.152.178 (talk) 18:16, 27 March 2009 (UTC) This template must be substituted.[reply]




  • Keep - I believe that lifehacker and other referenced review sites provide sufficient notability. If paper sources are required, there is also an article due out in a Japanese journal in June, but unfortunately that is too late to be useful for this AfD.

This AfD seems to have been created out of spite and a number of 'Keep' voters on the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Crammage page are now voting 'Delete'. (I did not participate in that AfD). I acknowledge that Anki may be a borderline case, but it would be a shame to see it go because a few people with a "if we can't be here, nobody can" attitude have tipped the scales.

Oh - and Anki was included in the April 2008 issue of the German c't magazine. It also ships with 3 of the major Linux distributions (Ubuntu, Fedora and Debian). You can find it talked about on many language learning forums. Perhaps not arguments for notability in wikipedia's official guidelines, but a demonstration of notability none the less. 58.3.182.104 (talk) 00:39, 28 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]



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  • Keep. While the coverage in The Hindu isn't the most expansive, it tells me that coverage is out there, and coupled with the mention in c't (which I have not seen to verify), the article should be improved rather than deleted.
I agree with Onebravemonkey's assessment that this nomination is tit-for-tat over the deletion of Crammage; however, I don't think it's a bad-faith nomination, so I'm considering the matter solely on the issue of notability and verifiability of this article. Precendent may be useful as a guideline, but other stuff exists, so articles have to be evaluated on a stand-alone basis. —C.Fred (talk) 13:11, 28 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • NOT See comment above about The Hindu and c't being an AdSense-based republication of random blog posts. In my mind, this questions C.Fred's credibility as well.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.14.82.5 (talkcontribs)

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To be fair, Mnemosyne_(software) is also a notable FOSS alternative to SuperMemo, and has been around for longer than Anki - so I wouldn't call Anki the 'only' alternative.58.3.182.104 (talk) 13:43, 28 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Delete. The less people know about this software, the better it is for me (my comparative advantage increases). Maybe I'll start deleting all the spaced repetition links. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.92.180.15 (talk) 15:01, 28 March 2009 (UTC) {{Spa|119.92.180.15}[reply]