Talk:Pizzle

Produced and consumed?

Ummmm... where exactly are these dog treats being produced and consumed? Not around here, here being Texas, although it certainly sounds like a big ol' redneck Texan thing to do. Another one of those Wikipedia unsolved mysteries. Maybe the UK or Netherlands based on etymology? Whoever wrote this article should perhaps share the answer...for all we know that person just made this whole thing up since there is no reference to sources. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.250.119.243 (talk) 05:23, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

1) Maybe the redirect from Bull pizzle to Pizzle should be removed and bull pizzle be turned into an article in its own right? At least to my knowledge, the bull pizzle was indeed used as a flogging device in its own right as well as the dog food used today.

2) I would like to add a picture of a bull pizzle as dog food, however I do not know how to do it in wikipedia and whether there are legal implications. At least, a proper picture is easy to find via google picture search or on some online pet food shops, e.g. http://www.dog-training.com/images/bgbbullpiz.JPG would be suitable (this link is just the first suitable picture link returned by google as an example here). I find it hard to imagine that food shops would mind the publication of these images.

--62.30.170.39 12:19, 20 April 2006 (UTC)20.04.2006

On a visit to Papeete, they were selling "pizzle sticks" as satays to the foreigners. I think this should be included at least as a warning.

My dad, of German heritage, used to use it like "gizmo" (e.g. (I pushed the doorbell, but nothing happened. It's pizzle is sprung.") Kirkpasf 01:57, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

SUGGESTION: this entry should be combined with the one for bully stick. These appear to be addressing the same item. Snarfa 23:09, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

What Happened to Facts?

None of the citations are complete on this article. They just say "citation needed." If we cannot confirm or deny a piece of information it does not belong in this enyclopedia. D0ggieM0mma 18:36, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

What kind of citations could there be? Links to producer's webpages? Wouldn't that be a problem with commercial advertising? Scanning the packages of bull pizzles I buy for my dog? Wouldn't that be a copyright violation? These things are commonly sold in most pet shops around here, but how do I prove this? Scanning receipts? --138.251.194.12 12:01, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Big Bull?

The result is a very hard, 4 km long brown stick,

4 km?? I'd love to see a 4km long penis from any species. Citation??? Mgt74 01:37, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Beluga pizzle! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.6.88.31 (talk) 01:02, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Sun drying?

Is the normal treatment high-temperature drying? Are they sometimes made by sun-drying, which is not high-temperature and thus inconsistent with the current content? Sources please, given the WP:COI and WP:SPAM problems we've had here. --Ronz (talk) 16:53, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Yes the normal process for this item is high-temperature drying! You seem so concerned maybe you could do some research on sources of information before editing articles 5 times which constitutes spam and vandalism. First, drying them at high heat is required to produce a finished dried product otherwise they would not be able to be used as dog chews. In some countries, especially in the third world they don't have the technology like ovens in the US, which causes them to sun dry the product (which is at a high temperature - as most production happens along the equator). But, you can continue to spam and vandalize topics which you obviously have no knowledge of as evidenced by your edit history! Could an admin please suspend this editor? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.127.142.120 (talk • contribs) 23:20, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Please provide a reliable source as required by WP:V. --Ronz (talk) 00:03, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Ronz, we certainly aren't taking anything personal, but as an editor we feel the need to prevent Spam and Vandalism on Wikipedia; please stop vandalizing articles on Wiki, not too much to ask is it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.127.142.120 (talk) 01:41, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

As I understand it, sun-drying is a low-temperature drying method, most suitable for thin material. Sun-drying along the equator? Aren't most equatorial areas humid (at least those where cattle would be raised)? --Ronz (talk) 15:31, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

How would you suggest that they are dried if not by the Sun or in ovens, maybe magically (magic still exists in some areas of the world)! And many meat products all around the world are sun dried at what most people would agree are "high temperatures". Pretty interesting that it appears that this is your 10th edit to a page on Wiki, which is considered edit-warring as I have seen it. Appreciate your willingness to discuss topics rather than deleting relevant content which improves the encyclopedia! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.140.14.63 (talk) 16:49, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

If no one can provide a reliable source, the information will be removed per WP:V.

My very clear concerns are that "either using the Sun" is inconsistent with "very high heat", nor consistent with "as most production happens along the equator". Drying is accomplished by a combination of temperature, humidity, and pressure, depending upon the size and type of the material to be dried. The material in question is extremely dubious. --Ronz (talk) 17:02, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

I agree with Ronz, adding "using ovens" a fairly reasonable statement, however it is redundant (as ovens would be required to reach a high heat). Addition of "using the sun" to reach high heat requires a citation from a reliable source to remain, also the annon IPs should realize that the onus is on the editor who adds content to an article to provide the reference, not other editors to "do their research".--kelapstick (talk) 17:13, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

I am the one that added ovens and sun and I have contacted several manufacturers of these products and confirmed that they are either dried in the sun or using ovens, otherwise how would they get dried? Aren't a lot of meat products dried in the Sun? Isn't this common knowledge. Perhaps before deleting and editing pages 10 times you both could get together and do a little research too!

Also, why not remove the whole article as there is no citation for most of it? With the two of you editing Wiki would cease to exist...— Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.140.14.63 (talk • contribs) 18:08, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Contacting a manufacturer to find out how they are made constitutes original research which is not valid as a source for Wikipedia. "Common knowledge" is also not a reliable source for Wikipedia either. Wikipedia requires verifiability for all of its sources, and requires those sources to be reliable, which among other things, means they are independent of the subject of the article, in this case the manufacturer of the pizzles are not independent. As I said before, if you add material (especially material that is likely to be challenged) you are required to provide a citation for the information, other editors are not required to "get together to do a little research".

On a side note, Wikipedia seems to exist perfectly fine with "the two of us" editing, so there is nothing to worry about.--kelapstick (talk) 18:30, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Just thankful that neither of you are admins and will likely never be! (well hopefully, based on your editing history) So based on your comment the majority of the article should be deleted correct, as there are not valid citations... Just want to be understanding you correctly! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.140.14.63 (talk) 18:39, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Isn't the entire article based on "original research" if so as "responsible editors the entire page should be deleted...any thoughts on this? Where are the references and citations for the article or for that matter most articles on Wiki? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.140.14.63 (talk) 00:52, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Until you learn to follow WP:CIVIL and WP:NPA. I'm done with you other than to continue documenting the problems you're causing. --Ronz (talk) 01:00, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Likewise, I am documenting the problems that YOU are causing on Wikipedia! Not causing any problems, just trying to prevent over zealous editors like yourself from ruining Wiki for others! 10 Edits in 2 days is not acceptable by any means and it has been updated on the admin page documenting your lack of civility in editing Wiki. Please learn to respect editors, is this too much to ask?

Also, when admins are looking at your history I think that they will find that you have a "pattern" of inappropriate behavior and editing on Wikipedia; which is not the case with me!