Talk:American Idol season 8

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Adam Lambert's Sexuality

This article states Adam Lambert as being openly gay without listing a source. Has he ever declared to the media that he is gay? Videos of him kissing guys are not valid sources.Gingerwiki (talk) 15:42, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Where? I can't find it anywhere. If you're talking about his article, it's been vandalized more times than I can count and is currently semiprotected without that information in it. If it's somewhere and unsourced, remove it per WP:BLP. Hermione1980 16:08, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Yep. BLP applies here. But yes that rumor is all over the net, especially on YouTube. That's all it is...a rumor. --User:Woohookitty ^{Diamming fool!} 04:13, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Matt G this week

Unless I missed something, Ryan never said that Matt was bottom 2. I have a feeling Scott was "saved" first because it was just easier for him. Otherwise he'd have to be guided all over the place as they shuffle the bottom 2 around quite a bit. --User:Woohookitty ^{Diamming fool!} 04:05, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

I had a hard time believing it too, but Ryan did say "These are your bottom two" at some point in the results show last night - I'll have to go back over my DVR later to make sure. But who knows, he could have just said it to create drama, and Matt might have actually been completely safe the whole time - just some poor random finalist put in the hot seat for the sake of good tv. Another thing we'll probably never know for sure...Cespence17 (talk) 13:17, 27 March 2009 (UTC I dont think they will go that far. They will be in deep trouble if they were caught by faking the results just for drama. I think these are the real bottom 3. The actual results might be accidentally leaked out, so I doubt they will take such a risk just for better TV. Dialidol might be wrong this time about Matt. Syjytg (talk) 14:40, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Yeah the bottom 3 IS the bottom 3. They cannot fudge the results like that. What they do sometimes do is pretend like someone is bottom 2 but isn't...but they are still bottom 3. --User:Woohookitty ^{Diamming fool!} 15:57, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

I dont think they would would say "bottom 3" to someone who isnt in the bottom 3. I could only see them doing what they did to Anoop and Megan in Week 1 of the finals and call them to the centre, but then they didnt say anything about a bottom 4. (90.201.176.86 (talk) 21:22, 27 March 2009 (UTC))

Ryan definitely said Matt and Michael were the bottom 2. Same for Michael and Alexis last week. I think as long as Ryan explicitly says 2 contestants are in the bottom 2 after sending the first bottom 3'er back to safety, which he has done for the last 2 weeks now, we should list them as being in the bottom 2. Excuse me for saying, but it is not the job of an encyclopedia to interpret when the show is telling the truth and when they are lying for dramatic effect. We have to go by what they explicitly say MarkMc1990 (talk) 23:39, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

And having said that, since the show seems content on identifying the bottom 2 within the bottom 3 this season, would it be ok if we went back to using the standard palegolderod color for all Btm and Elim boxes in the finals like in the seasons 1-6 pages? Because the "saved first/last" information isn't really important anymore if we know for sure who the bottom 2 are. There are way to many different shades of yellow in use on the chart as it is anyway. MarkMc1990 (talk) 00:21, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Jasmine and Jorge's position

I guess I don't quite understand this idea that they "tied for 13th". I highly doubt that they tied for 13th. So they finished 12th or 13th. That's what the 12-13 means. We have ample precedent for this in previous seasons. This is one example. For the past several seasons, they eliminated 4 every week in the semis but they never gave places. So they were listed as 13-16, 17-21, etc. In season 6, we had a similar situation to this year. Phil Stacey and Chris Richardson were both eliminated during the same week. In the chart, they are listed as 5-6. I just don't get the issue I guess. Using 12-13 is entirely accurate. "Tied for 13th" implies that they tied in votes. Well they didn't. The show never gave places and we shouldn't imply places. We'll never know which finished which. But saying 13th is dishonest and simply incorrect. --User:Woohookitty ^{Diamming fool!} 11:30, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Well, if they were tied it would be at 12th, but I doubt that they got the same amount of votes. I support listing them as "12-13" because that makes the most sense. --Jackieboy87 (talk · contribs) 11:50, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

New Semi final/wild card layout

Hey... I put all the contestants in their respective semi final groups. I put htem in performance order. This is necessary as if you want to see who was in each semi final group you have to look at the elimination chart and be confused by the 'WC' , 'Top 13' tags. The american idol season 3 page has some thing similar to mine with the results for each group at the bottom. I was wondering however if we could make the season 8 semi final lists identic to season 3 coz its a lot to digest... it wud be better without the semi final contestants information. Make another page 'Season 8 semi finalists' and put that information there. this new layout is good as it shows all the finalists in their respective group and it helps analyse the competition... e.g. some1 reviewing it can do them in the appropriate order and it also shows that the contestants who performed 1st didn't make it. Frazzler9 (talk) 13:10, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

I see what you wanted to do, but after cleaning them up a bit, I've noticed that all of the biographies are repeated for those who advanced to the finals. We definitely do not need any of that info more than once. I guess it should appear with each person's first listing on the page. --Mtjaws (talk) 14:52, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

thx... Im not the best wikipedian so could you sort it out especially the anne marie boskovitch issue. I would much prefer the semi final list with no biography. The season 3 semi list is great... We have the finalist list ... Do we need the semi finalist bios??? Cud u please fix the boldness... Frazzler9 (talk) 18:26, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

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Hey, just asking, is you put the semi-final performances like you did in the articles of Seasons 1-4, Can't you also put the Top 13 weeks in the same way with the order of each contestant? Like Top 13 (Michael Jackson) then order each finalist with the song they sang, and at the end put the bottom 3, bottom 2, and eliminated? I liked how you guys did that. JPSinger45 (talk) 18:58, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

I personally like the way the seasons 1-4 articles handle the performances section better too. Its easier to follow, especially when the wildcards have an extra performance listed - that can be confusing. Plus if anyone wanted to see just one contestant's list of performances, they could go to his or her individual article to see that. I would be in complete favor of switching over to the season 1-4 format. MarkMc1990 (talk) 05:59, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Something to look out for

We apparently have a round of telepathy going on. Let's wait until the show actually airs to put up who is going to do what. Oi. --User:Woohookitty ^{Diamming fool!} 00:07, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

And yes they were right this week but still. If you can find a source, great. Otherwise, it shouldn't be posted. --User:Woohookitty ^{Diamming fool!} 01:46, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

elimination chart and top 13

Look at my explanations on the otp 13 performance list coz i have changed megan and jorge to btm 3/4 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Frazzler9 (talk • contribs) 16:36, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Sorry but I dont feel that it should go on there unless Ryan specifically said it. For all we know, Megan and Anoop got the top 2 votes. Unless they confirm it, I dont think its encyclopidic. (90.203.39.229 (talk) 17:34, 8 April 2009 (UTC))