Talk:Volkswagen Passat

User 85.166.149.32

I've seen a couple of B2 hatchback passats with the odd remark GT, along with 2,2 engines. Did volkswagen build B2 with such engines originally or are these cars modified? Norwegian salesthread 85.166.149.32 14:02, 7 February 2007 (UTC)Tronni

• They are original cars. The B2 received three engines with 5 cylinders: 2.0L 115 hp (85 kW), 2.2L 136 hp (100 kW) and 2.2L with catalytic converter 115 hp (85 kW).194.25.108.84 09:34, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

British B2 Passats were available with the 1.9L 5 (85 kW) when it was current 217.205.121.71 (talk) 19:38, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm confused. Did VW in Europe market a car named the Passat in the 70s and 80s? In the US, the passat doesn't appear until the early 90s. The VW Quantum and VW Fox pre-date that. The Passat models are usually designated with a letter and number, B3 Passats are circa '90 to '93 (the ones without the front grille). B4 Passats to '97, with the rounded B5 Passats introduced in '98 hard to distinguish from the Audi A4. Also, the technical specs.. what year and model is that for? --ChrisRuvolo 05:34, 22 Jun 2004 (UTC)

the answer is yes and no. quantum was us name for early(2nd gen) passat saloon. fox was the us name for an argentinian built vw similar to the jetta. see VW Santana, VW Fox. Passat article needs stuff on this, if it still needs doing when i have time, i'll have a look. vw fox and gacel should be added to {{VW}} akaDruid 13:33, 24 Jun 2004 (UTC)

also a quick google shows the tech data to have been lifted from Ralph Becker's page about his 2001 Volkswagen Passat GLS V6 Sedan akaDruid 13:36, 24 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Thanks the the reply and the information. The tech data shouldn't be a copyvio (can't copyright facts), but his customizations and personal experience (tires, tire life, wheels) I don't think are ok to include. Thanks for finding that. I'll edit the specifications. About the models.. which qualify as the B1 and B2 passats? Thanks. --ChrisRuvolo 14:00, 24 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Can't be exactly sure but I imagine the B1 would be 78-87 model, and B2 the 87-93 model. Since the 73-78 model was rebadged Audi 80, I doubt it would follow the same numbering scheme. 14:52, 24 Jun 2004 (UTC)~

The B naming is as written on the page you are discussing. Mark1(B1) 73-81, mark2(B2) 81-88. The rest am I a bit usertain about, it says mark'x' = B'x' in the main article but it has not always said so. I thaught 88-93 and 93-96 passat used the same platform, just with some exterior changes..? 85.166.149.32 14:02, 7 February 2007 (UTC)Tronni

User 213.122.31.131

This user just changed the entire article. Doesn't look like a copyvio, but this text should be integrated, not overwritten!

Here it is: VOLKSWAGEN PASSAT MK1 (1973-1981)

The first generation VW Passat was sold initially as a large three- and five-door hatchback (and later a five-door estate) which used the same 1.3 and 1.6 petrol engines as the Audi 80 saloon which had been introduced a year earlier. It was one of the most modern family cars in Europe, and was intended as a contemporary rival for the Ford Taunus (Cortina) and Opel Ascona (Vauxhall Cavalier). The Passat was also sold in the U.S.A as the Volkswagen Dasher.

VOLKSWAGEN PASSAT MK2 (1981-1988)

The second generation VW Passat was an all-new car but on its launch in 1981 it was instantly recognisable as a member of the Volkswagen family. The engine range was now more extensive, it included a 2.0 petrol and a 1.8 diesel. As well as the Passat hatchback and estate there was also a saloon, which until the beginning of 1985 was sold as the Santana. Although the Santana nameplate had been abandoned, it remains in use to this day on cars produced at Volkswagen's Shanghai factory in China.

The second generation Passat was a typical Volkswagen, hardly exciting but proving to be a quality alternative to its rivals.

VOLKSWAGEN PASSAT MK3 (1988-1996)

The third generation Passat was a completely new car and its curvy looks were a world away from the boxy appearance of its predecessor. Its fuel injected engines were all-new, and gave better performance and refinement than the carburettor units previously used. But the star of the range was the Passat VR6, which had a 2.8 V6 engine and a top speed of 140mph. This high performance power unit also found its way into the smaller Golf and under the bonnet of the Corrado coupe.

The Passat underwent a mild facelift in 1993 and was now available with improved safety equipment including airbags, but it remained the same basic design as before.

VOLKSWAGEN PASSAT MK4 (1996-present)

The fourth generation Passat was entirely new and aimed as a clearly upmarket rival for the Ford Mondeo and Opel Vectra. Power came from entirely new 1.8, 2.0, 2.3 and 2.8 petrol engines as well as 1.9 and 2.5 turbodiesels. All of the engines were smooth, refined and strong performing, and coupled to a good chassis which gave excellent ride comfort. The interior was also luxurious and well-equipped, with a long equipment list which included electric windows, air-conditioning, CD player, electric mirrors, electric sunroof and leather upholstery. The £16,000 starting price in the UK put it £1,000 above the equivlant Ford Mondeo, but the price difference showed when it came to luxury and upmarket feel.

A facelift at the end of 2000 saw the non-turbo 1.8 petrol engine dropped and the exterior styling tweaked, but the Passat was still very much the comfortable, well-built and luxurious large saloon and estate which had been launched four years earlier. Traditional Volkswagen trademarks of build quality and reliability continued to boost the Passat's reputation.

The Volkswagen Passat is now one of the oldest cars in its sector at eight years old, but it is still one of the best. A replacement is likely to appear in the not too distant future.

I have integrated this into article text, keeping the Mark1, Mark2 nomenclature as well as the B1,B2 one. Spute 20:11, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

Passat generations are wrong?

The generations listed in the article are not right at all. Passat owners describe their passats based upon the VW platform specification, such as B3, B4 or B5. See for example [1]. The years are also wrong. My passat is from 1996, and has very little in common with the 1999 models pictured. Perhaps the difference comes from the European models versus the North American models? Any explanations? Thanks. --ChrisRuvolo 00:23, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)

I suspect that foreign markets get their Passats later than domestic ones—e.g. I think the US is only getting Golf Vs this model year, whereas they have been out for the previous model year in most markets. In such cases, it may be wiser to stick with the case of the domestic market; the same would apply for American cars, e.g. the Chrysler minivans and Ford Taurus were pretty late getting out to Europe, so the US model years should be the "master version" IMO. Stombs 22:08, Jan 12, 2005 (UTC)

1998 is the year the B5 platform was introduced to the US. I'll make a note of it in the text. Seano1 23:41, 14 Jan 2005 (UTC)

I've re-named the sections so that it agrees with Volkswagen B platform but also included the simpler Mark1, Mark2 nomenclature, as used by e.g. Volkwagen UK as i think it's easier for people not intimately familiar with VW platform nomenclature to understand- i think it's best to compromise by using both this and the B1-B6 systems. I hope it is now correct? Spute 20:10, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

Personally I don't see the point in the mark1 mark2 thing. I don't quite know where you got it from and it should not be in an encyclopedia. I have never heard the term used in the UK with respect to the Passat. The B1 to B6 nomenclature was defined by the manufacturer and is understand by enthusiasts and should surely be the only names used. If people are confused by it then the job of this site is surely to explain it to them as it is. dieselnutjob

The Mark nomenclature is common and should be included. As i pointed out above, VW UK use it.Spute 17:12, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

A common problem with wikipedia's car articles is that they tend to be written by geeks for geeks. There's nothing wrong with knowing a lot about a subject (i'm a geek myself and not ashamed of it), but we should allow a wide variety of people to understand the article. The fact is that the mainstream press, as well as car magazines would call the 3rd generation Passat the Mark III or Passat 3, and the man in the street would understand. This obscure B platform stuff is something only an avid VW fan would understand. There's a place for both, that's why both are included. Edits to wikpipedia should concentrate on making the articles more informative and easy to understand. See here for an example of VW using the Mark system, with no mention of the B number. Spute 18:23, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Further example of the "Mark" nomenclature this time in car review website, Parkers here. Incidentally, the German Passat article uses another system - "Typ 32", etc, presumably these are the actual internal VW product names. Perhaps these shjould be introduced as well, without removing any information. Spute 19:18, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Why is discussion of the Mark 4 included under the heading Mark 5 (B5 platform) (1996-2005)?

And the most recent major redesign was in 2006 not 2005 I believe. Historian932 (talk) 18:55, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

new one

The A4 switched to a platform called B6 in 2002. Sure this isn't the one? From the name alone, it appears that the Passat is going to once again share a platform with the A4.

If the A4 has a transverse engine and Haldex now, then that would be a dead give-away that the platform will be shared again.

No. The B6 A4 and the B6 Passat will be different platforms, and the A4 does not have a transverse engine or Haldex now, as far as I know. TomTheHand 19:47, Mar 24, 2005 (UTC)

OK, so the naming is bad. I've heard that VAG uses "B6" to simply mean the 6th B-sized car, while there is a longer name that properly identifies the platform. The articles should switch to using the longer names.

I agree with you there, but I don't know the full platform names involved, so I can't help with that :-) The B5 Passat and B5 A4 shared the same platform. The A4 moved to the B6 platform in 2002, while the Passat received a facelift for 2001.5 and was often referred to (by VW enthusiasts at least) as the B5.5. Now the A4 is moving on to the B7 platform (for the 2005.5 model year) and the Passat is moving to a DIFFERENT B6 platform from the one the A4 used. So confusing. TomTheHand 03:35, Apr 5, 2005 (UTC)

b3 production years

these comments were added to the VW Passat redirect by 84.32.94.178 (t c). Moved them to here and cleaned up redirect. --ChrisRuvolo (t) 18:55, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

b3 is from 1988 12 till 1993 12 --84.32.94.178 (talk · contribs)

Article does now state this correctly. Spute 12:05, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

B2/B3 Diesel Engines

B2

At some time, the 1.5 l Engine (38 kW/50 hp) was enlarged to 1.6 l producing 40 kW (54 hp). I think that transition was at or before the change from B1 to B2. There was a turbo-charged version producing 51 kW (70 hp). These versions were available in Germany until the end of B2.

B3

B3 was introduced with the turbo-charged 1.6 l engine. Due to an added intercooler, the output was 59 kW (80 hp). After a about one year, that engine was replaced by the new 1.9 l diesel. There was a non-turbo-charged version producing 50 kW (68 hp) and a 66 kW (90 hp) turbo-charged engine.

I am not aware of a 1.8 l diesel engine available in the Passat or any other Volkswagen.

I'm pretty sure that the 1.9 turbo diesel in the B3 had only 75bhp. It was the Umwelt engine and was detuned for low emissions. The power increased for the B4 though. The B4 had a 1.9 TD with mechanical indiect injection and the 1.9 TDI both in 90bhp and 110bhp forms and used electonic control and direct injection. dieselnutjob

Mechanicals

I can track down an engine repair manual for a B1/B2 Passat (Haynes); I am sure that it mentions that one of the peculiarities for which which Passats are renowned is that the whole engine can be removed on a dismountable dolly, which makes it easy for service. Rolinator 11:08, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

B3 and B4 link to web page

About six or seven years ago I wrote this web page http://www.christiantena.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/motor/vag/passat/vwindex.html

it's an enthusiast site not a commercial one.

it has quite a bit of info about the B3 and B4 Passat on it which isn't here. Personally I think that it deserves a link, but then I would I suppose.

I don't know what the correct protocol / etiquette is for adding a link, so I thought I would ask; is it acceptable? dieselnutjob

Passat Mk 5 - Why is is split in two?

The Mk 5 section is split in two main headings, "PQ46 platform (2005-present") and "B6 platform (2006-present)". Are you sure the car was modified for that year? -- NaBUru38 15:49, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Indeed, that seems to have been entered erroneously when the subject headings got changed around yesterday. Analoguekid 16:02, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

NPOV tag

I'm tagging this article as not being Neutral Point of View. There are far too many statements such as: "stylistically more sophisticated" and uncited sentences about the poor/excellent build quality. Please note that as a VW owner, I know a fair amount about this car, and I'm not necessarily disputing the accuracy of said statements, I just think that an encyclopedia article needs to be neutral in subjective topics such as styling. As for quality concerns, they have been mentioned many times in various publications such as Consumer Reports, Car & Driver and the like. Everyone should hopefully make an effort to say where they got their information; something to the effect of: "The B5.5 Passat had problems with ignition coil packs" and then cite a newspaper article about the recall (just an example). Please see (if you haven't already): Wikipedia:Citing sources. --Analoguekid 18:15, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Can't we just get rid of the subjective adjectives and make it NPOV?

Matt

To some extent yes, however, there are unsourced claims that the Passat is very reliable. It could be, but CR hasen't always given it high marks. The problem is that the article is fundamentally flawed the way its written now. It probably needs a complete re-write that sticks to using cited sources.--Analogue Kid 15:19, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

I don't have hard data off hand, but in Europe it (and most of VW) is generally seen as reliable. The main differences were tighter maintence sequences (75k mi timing belt) and a synthetic oil (there is no sludge problem on 1.8Ts in Europe) requirement from the get-go. Its not NPOV, but rather different statistics. I think removing all references to reliablity might be the way to go? Nmpls 03:41, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

It's true that VW is perceived as being much more reliable in Europe than North America. We could remove all references to reliability, but I would think it would be better to add sources for specific claims rather than removing them entirely. I certainly don't disagree with many of the assertions, I'm just trying to improve the article by adding citations where needed.--Analogue Kid 03:46, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Passat B1

I´ve removed the quite nonsensical Lamborghini Espada reference. Besides, the Espada (introduced in 1968, when Giugiaro was already involved with his own company ITALDESIGN) was designed by Gandini (as stated in the Espada article), not by Giugiaro. Also, the B1 Passat was NOT cheaper than the Audi 80, at least not on its home market; Werner Oswald, Deutsche Autos 1945-1975, lists the prices of base models as of March 1974: VW Passat, DM 9.070; Audi 80, DM 9.070, i.e. as identical. Plus, the hatchback variants were introduced as late as January 1975.

--328cia 12:31, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Can we get any citations on the claim that every body panel on the Mark 4 (B4 platform) (1995–97) was new?

Because I can't find any evidence to support it, and recently saw both versions parked side by side and to me it just looks like a facelift on the front and rear. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Impulsion (talk • contribs) 00:43, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

I can hardly believe it myself, but Kittler, Deutsche Autos seit 1990, vol. 5, p. 323, says: "Nach Werksangabe waren so gut wie alle Blechteile neu - was man dem Auto aber nicht unbedingt ansieht.", which translates to: "According to the factory, virtually all body panels were new - even if, looking at the car, one won´t neccessarily realize it." --328cia (talk) 03:50, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

TSI/TFSI

I see that there is a 1.8 TSI engine (Fuel Stratified Injection and turbocharger). Also, theres a 2.0 TFSI engine (Fuel Stratified Injection and turbocharger). They are basically the same engine, except from the engine displacement. Why did Volkswagen call one of them TSI and the other TFSI? This creates a lot of confusion, as TSI usually refers to the Golf's 1.4 Twincharger. Why didn't they call both of them TFSI? Thanks for any help.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.115.135.58 (talk) 07:25, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Torque steering

The B5 section claims that the B5 received a four-point front suspension "to eliminate torque steering". However, I would expect torque steering to be practically non-existent on a car with a longitudinal engine. The primary cause of torque steering is the unequal length (and therefore weight) of the left and right drive shafts on cars with transverse engines, where the transmission and differential are off-center. More likely, the B5, like every other VAG model at the time, received a multi-link suspension simply because it improves ride quality and handling. DES (talk) 14:28, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Why so many dashers in iraq??

they are everywhere in news photos why is this??? Are these German or Brazilian? They are early 1980's body styles.